based on data gathered here. scale is 1-10 stars.
on a scale of
1 = genocidal monster burning in hell who did 0 good things
6 = genocidal monster burning in hell who did a handful of good things mostly by accident
Trump? Fuckin' kidding me? LBJ the warmonger and sex pest who would lay his dick out on the table like Louis CK? Bush I was the literal head of the fuckin' CIA. And his failson was Hitler.
In a room full of warmongers and sex pests, the one who passed the Civil Rights Act is one of the less bad ones.
Also taking a shit while senators are trying to convince you of shit is a power move and you can't convince me otherwise.
I suppose all those little girls he set on fire in Vietnam will understand.
Love to see the Roosevelts, the two US presidents most responsible for the world not having socialism, on top of the list,
yeah who the fuck made this list, it should be lincoln at like 3 stars and then a meat grinder at -2 with everyone else in it
I feel like John Quincy Adams should get some points for being against slavery, and defending the Amistad rebels in court. His worst crime is being generally ineffectual, which makes him far less harmful than a lot of those guys. He certainly shouldn't be on the same level as George W Bush, who is far too high up there.
yeah i mean maybe we're weighing nose hairs but i don't see how dubya isn't at the bottom with all the other demons. oversaw one of america's regular fascist freakouts, created the War on Terror, decimated civil liberties, emboldened the evangelical right, kneecapped the education system while giving handouts to the ruling class that led to a financial crisis, killed a million Iraqis, and he still has the gall to joke about it today.
he was a genocidal sack of shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Thames
lmao wat. obama was infinitely better than trump. this is nonsense.
this person is gonna single handedly blow up hexbears servers and they cant keep getting away with it
Obama also normalised relations with Cuba, got the Iran deal, etc which trump reversed.
Yeah and his administration also obliterated Syria, Honduras and Libya and threw the Maidan coup setting up the Ukraine crisis. Trump didn’t start any wars. Trump set up a withdrawal from Afghanistan and made advances in diplomacy with DPRK, while Obama was a more aggressive and effective purveyor of empire
No, you don’t understand, the fascists are totally anti-war. In fact, the fascists are gonna help us achieve socialism!!!
Lmao.
Obama was a more aggressive and effective purveyor of empire
He literally drone-striked Soleimani. The coups of Bolivia and Brazil happened under him. The Venezuelan crippling sanctions happened under him. Chinese trade war happened under him. I could go on and on.
Trump was as much a fucking tool of the State as Obama. On top of that, he opposed abortions, trans rights etc.
Seriously. Get a grip.
The coups in Bolivia and Brazil have failed, leftists are back in power. Hence supporting my argument that Trump was a shittier imperialist. The soleimani assassination was so blatant and perfidious that the US lost major international support, it was crude and ineffectual and only aligned more forces against the empire. Obama would have done it low and slow and effectively, you would never have even heard of Soleimani.
Obama started the pivot to China, he started the sinophobic ramp up that Trump exploited.
Liberal Socialist you never stop getting owned by communists yet still feeling so confident in your wrong and liberal outlooks. None of this is to say Trump was good, but he was actually an incompetent buffoon who divided the core and fucked up everything he touched, which is actually the superior option to a competent fascist manager of empire like Obama
Oh no the settler-colonists inside the imperial core had to deal with a 3% more reactionary reactionary :( :(
Are you calling the women, bipoc and lgtbq people who suffered under trump fucking settler-colonists and minimising their suffering? Seriously?
Well, your name is “spectre of z” so I should expect such fascist, reactionary takes.
I'm saying that I care a whole lot more about the hundreds of millions of refugees & several million dead people in Syria, Iraq, Libya & Afghanistan thanks to Obama's wars than I do about those getting fat in the core.
Yes, death to Amerikkka, infinite genocide on westoid settler-colonist imperialists and their liberal apologists
you do realize what website you're on right? the one that generally advocate for america being nuked
It’s a fucking joke, not a call to arms for your fascist rhetoric equating the billionaires and the vast, vast majority of people who suffer under them, and minimising their pain, you utter doofus.
The entire point I was making was that the US State operates at a level beyond what the President wants, especially in terms of foreign policy. It’s useless trying to compare Obama and trump. They both do what the cia, nsa etc want them to do, as is appropriate to the times. The difference comes out, marginally, in certain domestic/social issues, where Obama is much better (though still terrible).
The entire point I was making was that the US State operates at a level beyond what the President wants, especially in terms of foreign policy.
the opposite is true. The one area where the executive has the most consolidated power is in the area of foreign policy and military engagements. Of course imperialist forces are pushing for war, the massive blob has an insatiable blood lust. However, the president and his party gets to chose which group of imperialists to back and how to back their interests specifically. That's where a competent and laser-focused president is dangerous to the world, whereas an idiotic one that keeps contradicting itself and is more inwardly antagonistic than outwardly causes massive strains and contradictions in the system.
domestic policy is basically controlled by the bourgeoisie, the president has no ability to pass legislation or control major portions of budgets.
Also, that fascist reactionary “spectre of z” was literally minimising the suffering of the marginalised in the first world.
You started the entire discussion by minimizing the vastly more marginalized, the global and colonized nations that make up the other 7 billion outside the core by stating obama was vastly better than trump. obama destroyed multiple nations. he went out of his way to expand imperialist destruction to hundreds of millions of people.
Trump barely tried, and where he did he failed hilariously (like in Venezuela :guaido: ). So I give him half a point for sucking at being evil.
You are a reactionary fascist larper trying to justify your hatred and indifference for the marginalised people of the world by any means necessary and I’m done talking to you
If you dismiss the suffering of women, bipoc, and lgbtq people then you are a fascist reactionary.
They’re not “prioritising” anything. They’re dismissing the suffering of a group of marginalised people while hiding behind another.
Socialism calls for support for all marginalised people.
I was about to write a whole comment arguing with you but then I recognized your username and remembered the last time I saw you arguing dumb shit
I do think he was marginally better, but infinitely is stretching it.
Yeah that was hyperbole, but imo he was atleast good enough for a four. And trump was/will be a three.
Obama rightfully gets excoriated for formalizing the drone strike program, but their use skyrocketed under Trump, along with a huge increase in civilian casualties. Placing Trump higher than Obama is just wrong.
Drone strikes are a minor part of why Obama was bad. He presided over the biggest upward wealth transfer in American history & destroyed multiple nations with wars he went out of his way to start or expand (Honduras, Libya, Syria, ISIS was created by Obama's CIA, Yemen, Afghanistan as well as throughout Africa)
Trump had his tax cuts too btw. And his reckless initial handling of the covid 19 pandemic set the stage of the million+ deaths.
Also, tbf, he only had 4 years to wreck shit compared to obama’s eight.
And his reckless initial handling of the covid 19 pandemic set the stage of the million+ deaths.
Most of those deaths are under Biden. Biden took over after Trump but continued Trump's Covid policies or even loosened them. Trump did awfully against Covid compared to a socialist ideal but did about as well as can be expected under neoliberalism.
This has “puting a bunch of random things nect to a a wonack and seeing who gets mad” energy and its working
:gold-ancom:
Should drop everyone on the list three rankings, but put William Henry Harrison up at seven stars (for doing the coolest thing a president could do, dying).
Bad chart tbh. Should all be 1 with Lincoln as a 2 (and not cuz he was really great, but because he was definitely better than Johnson).
what do the stars mean? because of they're how good the president was trump needs to be lower
