By the way, when did radlibs completely steal our whole-ass aesthetic?

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Someone on reddit argued with me that Ukraine is a class war because the Russian attacks hurt the working class.

    :wut:

  • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    By the way, when did radlibs completely steal our whole-ass aesthetic?

    In 2016 when Trump won with the help of the “Russian fascist election tampering” and broke all of their lib brains so they desperately latched onto the left and then ruined it

      • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Next time tells me they’re “as left as it gets” I’m gonna stop the conversation immediately and make them recite the invariant program of the working class

        Do they prefer organic or democratic centralism in their Marxist party?

        • BeamBrain [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          What "as left as it gets" really means is "anyone to the left of me is illegitimate."

          • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Well you know where they are going if they say “but” after it, they are going to say something reactionary and rightwing thinking its ok for them to say because they are woke liberals or whatever. In their minds they have to build up a certain amount of “left points” through posturing and virtue signaling, which they can then “cash in” and spend to say the reactionary opinions they actually hold. They think everyone is like this, everyone is reactionary deep down but puts on a facade of morality.

            This is why you get figures like Musk, Chapelle, JK Rowling, Bill Maher, Obama, centrist corporate democrats, etc. who are becoming more virulently reactionary as time goes on when they used to be considered socially leftwing. They were always this reactionary, they just were “building up” their points before and now in their late careers they are “spending” them.

            They literally are unable to grasp that there’s people who are not reactionary whatsoever and truly believe in communism. This is partially why voting for Democrats is never gonna get you anywhere, Democrats fundamentally believe the exact same thing as Republicans when the chips are down - they just cover it in 20 layers of moralistic posturing that slowly melts away under pressure.

          • captcha [any]
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            2 years ago

            I always read it as "I might call myself a socialist but I've never actually met one."

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      Depending on how nit-picky we want to get it's as old as kids wearing Che Guevara shirts only because they know he's a rebel who makes their parents mad.

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Because for a lot of people being left-wing is just an aesthetic. Maybe they got into a punk scene and liked how anarchism looks like "you can't tell me what to do" but woke on the surface level. Or they use it to shock their more conservative family members by calling themselves "communist" and owning it proudly without venturing into what it actually means besides some vague "own the means of productions" lines.

  • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    this person is bad for making a reddit avatar

    you are bad for browsing reddit in a way that shows the avatars

    i am bad for knowing reddit has avatars now, and now so is everyone who read this sentence.

    • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      claiming that Zionism is a decolonial indigenous lead movement

      :agony-consuming:

    • wombat [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire

    • 4zi [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Imperialism is having a civil war and crossing an imaginary line that only one country on the world recognizes :very-smart:

    • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I mean I think it’s just that libs understand deep down the 3rd world is colonized and undeveloped due to western domination and resource extraction and financial exploitation. They feel some guilt about this but it’s suppressed because they need their treats and they aren’t willing to give material sacrifices to their quality of life to equalize the world.

      Some libs don’t understand this though, and instead just accept a softer version of the reactionary explanation for the undeveloped global south: intelligence and industriousness are racial or culture traits and some societies are superior and deserve to live better.

      Those are really the only 2 ways a lib can see it. Either extreme guilt they are unwilling and unable to face, or a nice comforting lie that involves accepting the fascist worldview partially or wholly. The libs have a moral aversion to the fascist worldview but not a epistemological one, basically they find it bad taste but don’t disagree that it is true.

      You can see the appeal to a lib of finally giving up their guilt, anxiety and contradictory worldview and just giving in to the fascists

  • MiraculousMM [he/him, any]M
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    2 years ago

    :reddit-logo: is an orchard of low-hanging fruit at this point. The userbase reflects the average Westerner's political consciousness, which is naturally an absolute mess due to relentlessly effective propaganda and the comfy material conditions of the white cishet techbro demographic that makes up ~80% of the userbase. You can draw a random comment posted on a random day and there's a disturbingly chance that it will be chud shit :sadness:

    • Complete_Anarchgay [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Average westerner's political consciousness

      Unfortunately not even that, MM. Stats released by reddit show it's mostly PNW white guys like me, Estonians, even Finns for Gods' sake, fucking Polacks, Turn back from analysis based on Reddit. Don't forget about Eglin Airforce Base! :troll:

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Yes. Its when you're Rome. Or perhaps China, when it isn't 27 days away from bankruptcy.

  • Comp4 [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    V*ush really made anarcho-natoism a thing huh.

      • Comp4 [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I was just somewhat joking. I know that there are lets say ideological differences between different leftists but it seems to me that Vaush brought a new group of people with terrible opinions into the world. So you now have liberals that claim to be lets say Anarchists,Libertarian socialists etc. but they support Nato and think highly of Nancy Pelosi (just making up stuff but you get the idea). Not to take away from your take.