This site is wearing me down this past week.
edit: I am more worn down. Shouldn't have posted this thread. Feeling awful about my future.
This site is wearing me down this past week.
edit: I am more worn down. Shouldn't have posted this thread. Feeling awful about my future.
imo there's a massive difference between
and
The first one is my opinion and it feels really painful to be lumped in with people of the second opinion by my comrades because they apparently can't tell the difference between the two. If 99% of people are in the second group, my actions as a member of the first group hardly matter anyways, but I still do them, because it sets a good example for my peers and strangers alike, and I can be that much more confident that at least it won't be me that spreads it to an immunocompromised person that will really suffer from it.
We all buy that capitalism's deliberate isolation of people can do harm, right? That seems like a pretty universal takeaway of the impact of late stage capitalism. It doesn't seem too far of a leap to then recognize that isolation is harmful no matter the cause. If the state and the majority of society have given up on an all-hands-on-deck one month isolation, then your individual isolation isn't going to have any more of an impact on community spread than your individual masking or distancing.
You're missing the third and by far most common argument:
No one on this site argued this
That first one is nuanced and agreeable and not related at all to what this thread is about
It kinda felt like this was in response to the threads saying "you can socialize sometimes actually" that have been coming up lately
It's not, there's been people posting borderline COVID denial stuff in threads.
I believe you, but it's worth noting that even in this thread alone I'm not the only one with this read on the situation
Weird
I see a lot of people saying "you can socialize without taking proper precautions actually" and people interpreting that as "you can socialize sometimes actually"
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I got called a "plague rat" today for essentially having the first take.
Because in the end if you're telling people they're mentally ill if they don't go into indoor environments with people who don't mask, it doesn't matter what your internal monologue about it is.
People should be wearing masks more but yes I do believe a lot of people here are suffering from health anxiety, I'm not gonna back down from that.
Covid sucks but obsessing this much over it isn't helping anybody unless they are among the vulnerable demographics who should obviously be taking more precautions than the average person.
Okay well then you're just a straight up covid science denier. 'Vulnerable demographics' include people who have gotten covid before. Reinfections are common. Damage is cumulative. There is no 'safe' population that it's okay to give covid to.
And I'll add: you can't perfectly sequester the 'vulnerable' communities with a disease that's as contagious as smallpox. And either way you slice that objective reality: you're doing eugenics.
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The science isn't whatever you want it to be. I encourage you to leave your mind palace and actually look, since it sounds like you haven't since the Omicron wave.
And yes, a lot more people did die.
What are you even disputing? Do you believe in herd immunity now as much as chuds did in 2020?
I'm disputing the general sentiment here that a healthy person getting Covid (maybe even more than once) necessarily implies doom and gloom for that person for the rest of their lives.
Someone is either ignorant of or indifferent to the observed percentage of people who get long covid. It's high.
And you're performing extreme cope if rhetorically your open ended let 'er rip campaign ends for each individual the second time they get it.
Getting real "it's not going to happen to me" vibes from this conversation
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I'm going to disengage now and I'd like you to know I stopped reading your comment when you led off with a personal anecdote wrapped in two tortillas of snark
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"As long as I can find one industry paid scientist that says what I want to hear, the vast majority of science is just cherrypicking"
Look. I picked up a snowball. My personal experience is that you're wrong. Way more rational to believe what I can see, n'est pas?
Except I know of about a 100 cases of Covid from friends family and acquaintances, and many more from second or third hand stories so again unless I'm living among genetically superior ubermen or just people that are very very extremely lucky I think I have a halfway decent sample. If it was THAT bad I think I'd be seeing it a bit more death and long term illness around me. I still heard stories of death and my friends that worked in hospitals told a bunch of horror stories and that's awful but it's also not the apocalypse you're making it out to be. It doesn't have to be either the common cold or the doomsday virus, it's somewhere in between.
The problem with anecdotal evidence is not the sample size. It is the sampling method.
Yes I must be mistaken, everybody around me is secretly suffering from long Covid without telling me anything about it.
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Have you checked America's excess deaths for 2022?
Looks pretty in line with expectation considering the amount of Covid infections. I don't see anything that would indicate people's immune system's collapsing en masse.
So even after killing off all the most vulnerable people, it's managing to maintain that.
As much log is burning now as kindling when the fire started.
I'm guessing you think the surges of flu and RSV above any previous year was due to immunity debt, a thing that was made up entirely by covid deniers?
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Yes, you're describing immunity debt, which has no basis in reality and was made up by covid deniers.
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You're repeating misinformation. The evidence for what you're claiming is incredibly shaky.
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We know covid weakens peoples immune systems not based on inference taken from how diseases propagate. We know it damages the immune system from counting T-cells in people with infections.
THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH SPECULATION GOING ON IN THIS THREAD
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covid damages the immune system, making repeat infections more damaging. There might be confounding variables but covid damage being cumulative is absolutely settled science. Even ignoring that, if you keep rolling a d20 the chance of you rolling a 1 at some point approaches one the more you roll.
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We know that covid is particularly damaging to the immune system though. Yes, all infections cause immune system damage, obviously.
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Do you have evidence that the damage magically resets whenever you contract a new case?
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It is obvious you don't know what you're talking about here, please do some research instead of relying on half remembered biology classes. Do you think the immune response erases the stress on your circulatory system from previous infections? Even mild infections damage circulation
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Yes, there is. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3
Don't pathologize people who are trying to avoid a deadly and debilitating disease
Everyone is to some extent vulnerable
This is saying "fuck the vulnerable" which is just straight up eugenics
I appreciate you, comrade.
Honestly I mask up all the time still. I actively work with covid positive patients near daily. My one exception is going out to eat every other week with my mother and grandmother because it’s a small social thing that helps my mental health and I’ve made strides to rebuild the relationship my chud grandmother ruined after I came out. I fully recognize the risks I am taking and understand that other people have different calculus to do for their risk profile. Working in healthcare though makes it obvious covid is going nowhere. My mother and grandmother already don’t mask in public so I’m being exposed either way so once every other week as a treat for my mental health I do something that I cannot mask fully for.