This site is wearing me down this past week.

edit: I am more worn down. Shouldn't have posted this thread. Feeling awful about my future.

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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    2 years ago

    imo there's a massive difference between

    COVID is still killing as fast as it ever was and the state is somehow failing us even harder than it was early pandemic, but not only is it painful to lose years of my life to never leaving my house, but it also has acute and chronic psychological effects to never interact with other humans in person. I still plan to mask, vaccinate, sanitize, keep distance, and through all that pick and choose carefully when to risk going out and when to stay in, but I recognize that risk profile is different for others and if there are things I need to do to accommodate those others, I will gladly take that responsibility

    and

    COVID is over and it was fake to begin with, open the schools, open all travel, burn the masks, and toss the rest of the vaccines and let's all have a big party about it

    The first one is my opinion and it feels really painful to be lumped in with people of the second opinion by my comrades because they apparently can't tell the difference between the two. If 99% of people are in the second group, my actions as a member of the first group hardly matter anyways, but I still do them, because it sets a good example for my peers and strangers alike, and I can be that much more confident that at least it won't be me that spreads it to an immunocompromised person that will really suffer from it.

    We all buy that capitalism's deliberate isolation of people can do harm, right? That seems like a pretty universal takeaway of the impact of late stage capitalism. It doesn't seem too far of a leap to then recognize that isolation is harmful no matter the cause. If the state and the majority of society have given up on an all-hands-on-deck one month isolation, then your individual isolation isn't going to have any more of an impact on community spread than your individual masking or distancing.

    • barrbaric [he/him]M
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      2 years ago

      You're missing the third and by far most common argument:

      COVID was real but it's over now, and the new variants are mild, and we have vaccines so now actually we should open all the schools open all travel and never wear masks again.

    • Grandpa_garbagio [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      That first one is nuanced and agreeable and not related at all to what this thread is about

      • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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        2 years ago

        It kinda felt like this was in response to the threads saying "you can socialize sometimes actually" that have been coming up lately

      • space_comrade [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I got called a "plague rat" today for essentially having the first take.

        • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Because in the end if you're telling people they're mentally ill if they don't go into indoor environments with people who don't mask, it doesn't matter what your internal monologue about it is.

          • space_comrade [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            People should be wearing masks more but yes I do believe a lot of people here are suffering from health anxiety, I'm not gonna back down from that.

            Covid sucks but obsessing this much over it isn't helping anybody unless they are among the vulnerable demographics who should obviously be taking more precautions than the average person.

            • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Okay well then you're just a straight up covid science denier. 'Vulnerable demographics' include people who have gotten covid before. Reinfections are common. Damage is cumulative. There is no 'safe' population that it's okay to give covid to.

              And I'll add: you can't perfectly sequester the 'vulnerable' communities with a disease that's as contagious as smallpox. And either way you slice that objective reality: you're doing eugenics.

                • macabrett
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                  2 years ago

                  If that effect of Covid was that prevalent and as serious as you’re implying we’d be seeing a lot more dead this year.

                  Have you checked America's excess deaths for 2022?

                  • space_comrade [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    Looks pretty in line with expectation considering the amount of Covid infections. I don't see anything that would indicate people's immune system's collapsing en masse.

                • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  The science isn't whatever you want it to be. I encourage you to leave your mind palace and actually look, since it sounds like you haven't since the Omicron wave.

                  And yes, a lot more people did die.

                  What are you even disputing? Do you believe in herd immunity now as much as chuds did in 2020?

                  • space_comrade [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    What are you even disputing?

                    I'm disputing the general sentiment here that a healthy person getting Covid (maybe even more than once) necessarily implies doom and gloom for that person for the rest of their lives.

              • train
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                1 year ago

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                • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  I don’t think the idea that damage is cumulative is really settled science.

                  covid damages the immune system, making repeat infections more damaging. There might be confounding variables but covid damage being cumulative is absolutely settled science. Even ignoring that, if you keep rolling a d20 the chance of you rolling a 1 at some point approaches one the more you roll.

                  • train
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                    1 year ago

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            • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              I do believe a lot of people here are suffering from health anxiety

              Don't pathologize people who are trying to avoid a deadly and debilitating disease

              Covid sucks but obsessing this much over it isn’t helping anybody unless they are among the vulnerable demographics

              1. Everyone is to some extent vulnerable

              2. This is saying "fuck the vulnerable" which is just straight up eugenics

              • macabrett
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                2 years ago

                I appreciate you, comrade.

    • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Honestly I mask up all the time still. I actively work with covid positive patients near daily. My one exception is going out to eat every other week with my mother and grandmother because it’s a small social thing that helps my mental health and I’ve made strides to rebuild the relationship my chud grandmother ruined after I came out. I fully recognize the risks I am taking and understand that other people have different calculus to do for their risk profile. Working in healthcare though makes it obvious covid is going nowhere. My mother and grandmother already don’t mask in public so I’m being exposed either way so once every other week as a treat for my mental health I do something that I cannot mask fully for.