France sends combat troops to Ukraine battlefront
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These troops are being posted directly in a hot combat area and are intended to help the Ukrainians resist Russian advances in Donbas. The first 100 are artillery and surveillance specialists.
That's literally declaration of war.
I wonder what will Russia say about it. I think the most proper response would be to just kalibrate them without even acknowledging their presence.They're going to salami slice their way into the war. The goal being that no piece of salami they cut is large enough to warrant sending nukes.
Before you know it they've normalised open warfare and bypassed the MAD deterrent.
Or since France hasn't declared war they can decide the French troops fall outside of Geneva protections like America does with literally everyone it drone strikes
They're not even French. They're Foreign Legion, mercenary assassins and enforcers for the French colonial regime. |
Edit: Tunnelvision is right. As a matter of international law the FFL are not considered mercenaries. I was wrong.
The French foreign legion are not mercenaries, they are soldiers fully in support of the French colonial project (many of them unfortunately are subjects of French colonialism as well) who are looking to gain French citizenship through military service. This is important because if they were simply mercenaries then Russia could attack them without thinking about it. That is not the case here, these are French troops wearing the French flag engaging in offensive operations under direction of the French president. This is a big step even though it’s a small number of troops. They are being sent to Ukraine because these troops were pushed out of Africa which is where France gets most of their uranium for their energy security. That is partially the reason France outspoken about sending troops.
Oh even better if they're PMC it never applied to them to begin with
It would be funny if they saturation bombed the whole area then hit every single thing coming in or out for the next month to make a point.
No no it's totally not ww3. These aren't actually French soldiers - they just serve the French military under French officers. And they aren't combatants, they're just support troops. Supporting the artillery. Who's to say that it's French people pulling the trigger?
Totally not a massive escalation.
This is a massive escalation because French foreign legionaries are French troops fighting for France and recognized as such. There is no real legal discrepancy as far as I’m aware because these are not mercenaries. Literally the second one of them is wounded in combat they are automatically a French citizen.
Buuuuut, its a way to get other nationalities into Ukraine under a French flag instead of ... like... the USA's flag.
I very much doubt the US will enter Ukraine. Maybe they’ll send in the 101st like France sent in the legion but that’s probably it. The US’s real interests are in the Middle East and that’s where troop deployment might actually happen if they happen at all.
very much doubt the US will enter Ukraine
US JSOC troops have been fighting in Ukraine since before the Russian invasion. The first month of the war saw a sudden uptick in US special forces killed in training accidents and new unnamed stars going up on the walls of the CIA lobby in Langley. Same shit happened in the month following Oct 7 and Gaza.
At the bare minimum Green Berets have been deployed the entire time attached to Ukrainian units as "advisors". None of it is a controversy or escalation because the US has JSOC special operations soldiers and CIA paramilitary soldiers doing black ops shenanigans in most conflict zones around the globe. They are like cockroachs.
I understand believe me, but the distinction is those are all technically foreign legionaries not operating under JSOC officially although that’s only a legal distinction. The French foreign legion are the first boots on the ground from a nato country fighting under their national colors and not as a legionary in a Ukrainian uniform. The US will not send in an army of us troops in us uniforms is what I’m getting at. The US has in my opinion fully committed itself to the middle eastern crisis.
You are right about that. The French Foreign Legion aren't black operations soldiers but rank and file military. The French equivalent to US JSOC units are their Commandement des Opérations Spéciales units.
This recent action by France is equivalent to the US deploying a USMC expeditionary force near the Ukrainian frontlines.
If any historians are still alive, pinning down the date of ww3's start will provide them endless book fodder.
Man so how about that capitalist or fascist or whatever the fuck this is death drive, huh?
Oh. Foreign Legion soldiers. France's rabid mad dog psychopathic massacre troops, who are also conveniently disposable in that they are not actually French.
Don't worry, folks. No French soldiers are deployed. Just mercenary assassins of the French regime.
France cannot support an overseas deployment of a full division and won’t have this capability until 2027 at the earliest.
Fucking lol.
A division is 10,000 soldiers. And not, like, just combat personnel. Combat troops plus all the rear area troops needed to supply them. So basically nothing. What in the entire blue fuck does he think he's doing? And of course it's Foreign Legion mercs so no one at home will give a shit when they contribute to Ukraine's long tradition of fertilizing their fields with dead fascists.
What do you suppose happens to them if they're captured? They're not French. They're not Ukrainian. They're mercenaries according to any sensible understanding of the term.
French foreign legion does not mean they are mercenaries, they are French troops under contract as professional soldiers who fight for the chance of French citizenship who take orders directly from the French president. This is how they’ve operated for well over a century. The reason they’re called the foreign legion is because anyone can join regardless of birth nation, but they mainly pull from Europe, America, and French colonies. They are not to be confused with the Ukrainian foreign legion who operate as mercenaries.
under contract as professional soldiers who fight for the chance of French citizenship who take orders directly from the French president.
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They are 100% mercenaries. Foreign nationals fighting for pay under the flag of another country. They're mercenary scum and they've always been mercenary scum. Dangling French citizenship in front of them is the same as cash or conflict diamonds.
They are not mercenaries and it’s very important to understand WHY they are not mercenaries. You harm a legionary you harm a citizen of France, as they gain immediate citizenship when wounded in combat.
I stand corrected, then. I understand now that as a matter of international law they are not considered mercenaries.
https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/icruftm/icruftm.html
Okay so this isn't confirmed and we've probably been owned, right?
while not confirmed, the source isn't just some rando https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbryen/
Bryen writes for Asia Times, American Thinker, Epoch Times, Newsweek, Washington Times, the Jewish Policy Center and others.
:sus:
Sure, but he's also served as senior staff director of the U.S. senate foreign relations committee and was the deputy under secretary of defense for trade security policy. So, I would imagine he's connected enough to know whether France is sending troops to Ukraine or not.
Russia reported last month that France was readying the foreign legion for deployment to Ukraine if that also helps.
I remember reading the really big ass-hexbear thread where everybody agreed the Russian Ukraine thing wasn't going to happen tomorrow and then the next day the big ass-news was something about Russian and Ukraine finally doing it.
Asia times posted a "NATO Troops are in Ukraine right now" story like 2 weeks ago. They are full of shit.
Western Europe and their insatiable lust for war truly is something to study if our world still exist years from now.
the shape of the Western European brainpan betrays their bloodthirsty character and fundamental untrustworthiness
genuinely curious, are there any other sources for this? I've tried to find other news outlets covering this and I can't find anything whatsoever
edit: the author of this article, Stephen Bryen, also made this a post on his substack and within the comment section of the post he cites some sources from twitter and Russian media that report the supposed deployment of these French Foreign Legionnaires as early as April 12th.
https://weapons.substack.com/p/france-sends-troops-to-ukraine/comment/55480014?utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
From one of the Russian sources cited in his comment ( https://en.topwar.ru/240367-rossijskie-resursy-pervoe-podrazdelenie-francuzskogo-inostrannogo-legiona-perebrosheno-v-slavjansk.html ) , they say:
-The first French military arrived in Ukraine; a unit from the French Foreign Legion was transferred to the Slavyansk area. This was reported by the Russian TG channel "Military Chronicle".
According to available information, a unit of one hundred people from the 3rd Infantry Regiment of the French Foreign Legion was transferred to Slavyansk. Apparently, this is the advance group that the rest will follow. The French military appeared in the city the day before; they are based at the location of the 54th separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and move around the city only accompanied by the Ukrainian military.
The unit reportedly includes artillery reconnaissance specialists, as well as an engineering group specializing in fortification and field fortifications. Most likely, the French will build up the defense of Slavyansk in case of a breakthrough by Russian troops.
Military correspondent Yuri Kotenok also reports this; he talks about the transfer of the first units of French mercenaries to the Slavyansk area. According to him, they arrived at the disposal of the 7th Mechanized Infantry Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and not the 54th, but these are already details. However, he clarifies that the information is unconfirmed.
"We are talking about an engineering group and specialists aviation reconnaissance of the 3rd infantry regiment of the legion, which arrived at the location of the 7th ombre of the Ukrainian Armed Forces"
- writes Kitten in his TG channel.
For our part, we note that we can neither confirm nor deny this information, so everything is at your discretion. At the same time, there is no smoke without fire.
I can't find anything either, and don't know how reliable Asia Times are in general, they've published a bunch of crank shit.
Seems like asiatimes is the only western aligned source reporting this so far. They are pretty mainstream though. And this is the guy who published it https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbryen/
Oh thank goodness.
I have never been more happy to be totally owned.
It just feels more efficient at this point to start throwing all European twentysomethings into a volcano. It could have the same level of senseless carnage, but less lead and radium would dust the the ground.
But could American businesses charge an entry fee to the volcano?
Tripwire if true.
Al Mayadeen, two weeks ago: France's Ukraine adventure could snowball into nuclear war, VIPS warns
Devoid of certain clarity, France could be "leading the American people down a path toward a nuclear conflict" with Russia, according to an alert memorandum from the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) to the US President, published by the Ron Paul Institute.
The memorandum, titled "On the Brink of Nuclear War" the VIPS warned the White House that French President Emmanuel Macron's dispatch of approximately 2,000 troops to Ukraine "in the not-so-distant future," could snowball to become a NATO war, and ultimately, a US war. According to the memorandum, the French troops will largely hold symbolic significance and would be ineffective in a modern, large-scale conflict like the ongoing war in Ukraine.
Its deployment, according to the VIPS, would not be in active conflict zones but will rather function as "a screening force/tripwire to stop Russia’s advance" or " a replacement force deployed to a non-active zone to free up Ukrainian soldiers for combat duty."
Additionally, the memorandum duly noted that the French Brigade will be augmented by smaller units from the Baltic states.
The French and the Baltic troops, thus, would be considered NATO troops deployed in a Ukrainian warzone, making them "lawful targets" based on the Law of War, said the VIPS. However, the troops would technically lack a "NATO mandate", a difference that VIPS argued would be a "distinction without a difference" from a Russian perspective.
Thank you for the tripwire link that is what I have been trying to describe without knowing the term. As soon as I heard France was thinking of sending troops to Ukraine that is what I thought they would be doing. I thought they would have been deployed to Odessa though not so close to the front.
