After getting kicked in the teeth by Apple, punched in the gut by Tiktok, and stock falling 60% from all time high, Zucc finally realizes that thousands of directors, senior directors, VPs, senior VPs, presidents, and C-suites don't actually do shit and all the work comes from the lowest levels of employees
Too bad all the Meta coders are wannabe capitalists themselves and look down on other working class people, including even their own
The way The Zucc processed all that was probably "that's why they need a disruptive innovative genius to hover over them all micromanaging everything!" :so-true:
Zucc is the kinda guy who looks at Elon's terrible management of Twitter and goes "yeah...this guy's onto something"
Too bad all the Meta coders are wannabe capitalists themselves and look down other working class peopls, including even their own.
From my experience that seems to be an alarming number of IT folks., not just Meta employees. You ever take a peek over at Over Employment on :reddit-logo: ? They make the normal rabble on that site look humble.
Holy shit. When they say work two remote jobs… do they mean collect two checks while a chatbot baffles your manager and commits garbage code? And when they say financial freedom, do they mean a small chunk of change that capital will wash away at the first medical crisis?
If you're dedicated and get into the right niche (the niches are fairly sizeable) it's definitely possible to output average quality work in 20-25 hours a week.
And when they say financial freedom, do they mean a small chunk of change that capital will wash away at the first medical crisis?
Probably not, two tech jobs is gonna be $140k per year on the lower end which is solidly in "financial independence" territory. Not enough to retire in, but decent saving skills will keep life very comfortable as long as you can keep a job of some kind.
Probably not, two tech jobs is gonna be $140k per year on the lower end
If you're an experienced developer and you're not making six figures, you're getting robbed.
True, but I figure if you're trying to double up, you're putting mediocre effort into mediocre jobs. Decent chance some people are pulling it off and making $200k+ though
The "guy who outsourced his job to some low wage worker overseas" is a classic. I've heard more than a few of those stories.
At some point you're functionally just running a contracting firm.
I wanted to get into "learn 2 code", and I remember a recent graduate saying the best part of his job was using his qualifications to rise though the ranks quickly and become a manager lol.
Fuck that
How depressing does one’s life have to be to strive towards being a middle manager
There's a lot of talk about grooming these days but not enough about how young people are being groomed into PMC dorks.
From my experience that seems to be an alarming number of IT folks., not just Meta employees.
IT Crowd should be mandatory viewing for all incoming computer science students. The "IT goes in the basement/closet" mentality of every firm outside Silicon Valley is real.
Maybe folks at Meta or Palantir think they're the kings of the world, but seven years working in Medical IT - surrounded by doctors and administrators all carrying ten pounds of ego in a five pound bag - never left me with anything but the sense I was as proletariat as they come.
They're probably still going to continue getting outcompeted by Tiktok but at least their operating expenses will be a couple billion lower from all the executive salaries being saved
Oh no, not like, finanically, like...systematically? Like managers managing managers is basically what happens to hierarchies after a certain size. It's sort of an immutable fact.
Now sure, Facebook probably has a lot of bloat, no question. But I'm guessing he stays on top and doesn't abolish his own position to re-form facebook into some kind of anarchist collective. So there's a develeoper, and he has a manager, and that guy answers directly to Zuckerberg? Like all the other departments?
Zuckerberg is probably trying to do an anti-corruption purge of sorts to get rid of managers doing empire building
In every big company I've been in, there have been managers on the 5-8th level from the bottom that have literally <4 direct reports. But they're "responsible" for hundreds-thousands of people which looks great on their resume
Get rid of all these managers with <10-15 direct reports and you can probably chop off a whole 2-3 layers of management
Working at a large company and on a team that does a lot of cross functional projects, the directive is constantly to get to “the single source of truth” while battling every director group that has demarcated its territory even if duplicative.
100% even a cursory look at the last 10-15 years show that the pendulum has oscillated substantially but being such a large firm, each functional group often has a lot of autonomy because of operational needs.
Increases in capital investment lead to expanding org structures which are more difficult to shed once demand contracts.
He is king, departments become fiefs run by a lord and their house. Fiefs must all compete with other fiefs for favour of the king. If fiefs successfully destroy another fief then so be it that's just market competition of the workplace coming to its conclusion.
This might actually salvage the brands of big tech companies that have become infamous for cancelling all their side projects. I wouldn't become invested in another Google 20% project knowing it'll last a few years at the most, but what if the reigning middle manager thought they were going to pass Google™️ OnlyFans™️ SEO Acceleration Platform®️ and its associated estates and retinue to their most contemptible failson? That's a product I can invest in.
The thought of departments within companies becoming hereditary property of their lords is honestly fucking terrifying.
The incentive structure of middle-management causes them to want to create more layers of management between themselves, so I'm sure there's plenty that can be removed.
Typically a line manager has 5-12 reports (average 7), and the CEO has a similar number of C-suite or VP positions under them. If every layer had 7 reports, that's 6 layers for a company Facebook's size. But real companies have many more layers of management, because towards the middle of the hierarchy the typical report count becomes, like, 2-3.
Forcing middle management to keep a more constant number of reports would cut the size of the organization down quite a lot. But these decisions are actually executed by middle management, who do not actually want to do this. Middle managers prefer having as many people under them as possible, as this improves their standing when going up for promotion and salary increases. The people who succeed in entering middle management are people who are motivated by such things, and good at achieving them in this environment.
You'll find the same pattern in government jobs and military positions too, by the way. It's a natural flaw of tree-shaped hierarchies.
At my company some directors only have 2-3 direct reports if they’re closer in the hierarchy to the CFO which is where a lot of bloat seems to be. They’re like courtiers.
What tends to happen though is you get managers way in excess of the actual number of managers you need. Those people with no useful work to be doing busy themselves with causing problems
You get a couple layers of managers, and then if your company is flush with cash, those managers are gonna want to delegate their work to new manager positions. Before too long you're too bloated to be able to tell which positions are actually necessary cause the work is spread across so many people.
generally you get the highly paid important managers and the managers who actually do needed work and these are two separate groups
maybe zuck will lead the charge on ai replacing ceos and managers
Honestly might be preferable. At least I don't need to make small talk with an AI
Thanks for noticing and asking :cat-trans:
There's been a few unexpected changes. I feel smaller now? I was a shorter than average man but I always used to feel tall regardless. I assume due to high T levels, self confidence, etc. But now I actually feel like I've shrunk by 1 or 2 inches despite not changing anything physically. Thankfully, still have healthy self-esteem
My libido the past week has been non-existent and I'm dissociating HARD. Though honestly, that might just be because I'm going through some withdrawals
Feeling pretty scared about deciding on socially transitioning, HRT, voice training (75 Hz voice lmao), etc.
Socially and legally, it's obviously such an insanely big step down from cis man to trans woman I don't even want to think about it
I'm very happy I've figured it out though!
imagine being enough of a chump to own stock in Zuckerberg's personal rocket to hell
