reminds me of
—Kwame Ture (born Stokely Carmichael)
Oh yeah, we’re Ture-posting in here
https://hexbear.net/post/248149
This is also about the liberal perception of violence and how it relates to political change
“ The liberal is so preoccupied with stopping confrontation that he usually finds himself defending and calling for law and order, the law and order of the oppressor. Confrontation would disrupt the smooth functioning of the society and so the politics of the liberal leads him into a position where he finds himself politically aligned with the oppressor rather than with the oppressed.”
“ The liberal is so preoccupied with stopping confrontation that he usually finds himself defending and calling for law and order, the law and order of the oppressor. Confrontation would disrupt the smooth functioning of the society and so the politics of the liberal leads him into a position where he finds himself politically aligned with the oppressor rather than with the oppressed.”
I had a discussion with a liberal the other day; I was discussing how statements in media can be misleading and used BLM as an example. I pointed out that the media constantly talks about BLM violence but that BLM protests were over 97% peaceful; his response?
"Ah so there was still violence?"
I'm tired of trying to reach these people.
Don't treat that response the way they want it to be treated: as a "Gotcha! BLM deserves to be suppressed if they aren't the perfect victim".
You know that the violence of the state is reciprocated even to a much myopic and miniscule degree is only natural and justified to constant state repression and violence. So long as injustice and severe repression remain, where the nominal avenues for redress of grievances are ignored or delayed, where civility fails, violence and extremism become potent seeds in the fertile ground of political alienation and powerlessness.
These people are just reactionaries without the obsessive anger against the oppressed. You shouldn't "reach out" to these people or invest any time further when they reveal their reactionary sympathies, but there is always an off chance that a comment can catalyze a change of opinion in the future within their own minds; react to those comments "Ah so there was still violence?" by putting them on the spot: (might be too wordy) "Protests are supposed to be disruptive and chaotic. does that mean you support extrajudicial police killings because there was - nor could there ever be - the peaceful protest movement that changes policy but does not challenge power?"
Liberals roleplay as good people, and shaming them, bullying them, and putting their opinions on the spot will force them to choose a side in their own mind because if you pretend long enough you eventually inhabit that role.
Black Panther Gang Black Panther Gang
Hogs don't want assault rifles in their face.
Yeah Satan gets a bad rap. All he ever really did was act as the prosecutor for Job's case and offer Jesus a real estate deal.
I've joked about it before, but what if the Christian God was satan disguising himself as a creator-God? Therefore encouraging people to be as evil as they want because the only real sin is being abnormal. I'm pretty sure that if the "true" Christian God and the devil both showed up in every town square, God preached good and the Devil preached doing evil, Fox News will be yelling about the left trying to destroy "the core satanic values of our country" with a straight face.
Is this what Gnosis is?
And if the antichrist is supposed to deceive people into thinking he's benevolent...
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST! :troll: I HATE THE ANTICHRIST! :troll:
If you look at the history of human mythology there is arguably some basis for this
Originally the Judeo Christian Islamic monotheistic god was the storm god of a larger pantheon before displacing the rest of the gods to become the only one
Beyond that the history of storm gods themselves is deeply tied to the mythology of dragons as almost all of them are dragon slayers in their mythology going back to Marduk
The history of dragon mythology is also important here, the oldest myths of dragons who were called dragons come from Asia specifically China and in those myths the dragons were benevolent and empathetic beings who care deeply for humanity and wished to alleviate human suffering by ending droughts and famines so that the people could eat
When the myths of dragons moved from east to west something happened and the script was flipped, the dragons were now cast as the villains of the story first hoarding water then treasure and women
Arguably the original dragon myth came from African mythology though the Rainbow Serpent wasn't called a dragon she shares many characteristics with the dragons of Chinese mythology
In the myth the Rainbow Serpent created the whole world, the oceans were made from her own blood that she freely spilled, the rivers and other bodies of drinkable water from her breast milk, then she created all life on this planet all the plants and animals including humans
Finally she gave humanity a task, to care for all life on this planet and preserve the delicate balance of nature and before she left she gave us a warning, that if we were to fail in this task she would return not as a creator but as a destroyer and then she would recreate the Earth but this time without humans
What I'm saying is that much of the bullshit Jordan Peterson may actually have some basis in reality but that he's picked the wrong side, the side of evil storm gods
Originally the Judeo Christian Islamic monotheistic god was the storm god of a larger pantheon before displacing the rest of the gods to become the only one
"Henotheism" is the term I've seen used there, where you have what is basically a monotheistic religion existing with a mythos that is still pantheistic.
Arguably the original dragon myth came from African mythology though the Rainbow Serpent wasn’t called a dragon she shares many characteristics with the dragons of Chinese mythology
In the myth the Rainbow Serpent created the whole world, the oceans were made from her own blood that she freely spilled, the rivers and other bodies of drinkable water from her breast milk, then she created all life on this planet all the plants and animals including humans
Finally she gave humanity a task, to care for all life on this planet and preserve the delicate balance of nature and before she left she gave us a warning, that if we were to fail in this task she would return not as a creator but as a destroyer and then she would recreate the Earth but this time without humans
That's the best version of Posadism I've ever heard. :posadist-nuke:
For perspective, that is 8 days of peak covid. The only thing that death motivates Americans to do is do more killing. See 911 to invading middle east. You can't invade the concept of guns or drone strike the coronavirus, so no action is taken. America only is a doer of violence. All actions it takes is more cops and more troops to do more killing
You can’t invade the concept of guns or drone strike the coronavirus, so no action is taken.
yeah but what if america bombs wuhan
death cult country doesn't care about children dying. how could it?
Death to America
Well you see those children had to die! Think of the damage to the arms industries stocks otherwise
And Alex Jones still pushes the lie that Sandy Hook was faked to grab guns.
I don't wanna be the "Think of the children"-guy but it's so vile that we have all be forced to just accept that child murder is something have to accept as unfortunate cost of freedom . In a well-adjusted and sane society you could have guns just be things rather than these fetishes of power. I hate the idea that the slaughter of children and youth is just what happens when you have guns in a society. It's so stupid this happens all the time and not one thing has been attempted to change let alone actually address the causes of these things. I hate this country so much man.
:amerikkka:
It's more the 400 years of genocidal white supremacist violence than the guns themselves. The guns are never going to go anywhere because they're key to how the GOP understands the hierarchies of power. Having shitloads of guns is fundamentally tied in to the maintenance and expansion of white supremacy for them. The Democrats are perfectly happy to let the police enforce white supremacy without getting their hands dirty but the GOP views it as a hands-on process that they need to be prepared to get involved in at any time, hence the guns.
Having shitloads of guns is fundamentally tied in to the maintenance and expansion of white supremacy for them
:amerikkka: Yessir! That's the big one. Exactly correct. :amerikkka:
The Dems enable it and the RNC propgate it just like you said man. It's grim as hell and deeply anti-deomcratic. I truly can't express how much I hate this nation and the evil in its DNA.
I'm not for gun control so maybe I'm being a little harsh here, but it seems like the kind of thing that would be ripe for a mass movement and despite the fact that so many politically minded people have been focusing on it for decades nothing of that nature has materialized. Maybe instead of begging the Democrats to do something on social media or setting up another 401c(3) for the liberal bourgeoisie to use as a tax haven it would behoove people to organize around this issue and demand something be done about the mass violence in this country as an organized mass of people.
Mass shootings suck. Kids getting shot sucks. Radlib social media or blaming the politicians isn't going to stop any of it though.
Edit: to put it another way, tweets are about as powerful as thoughts and prayers
Go looking for direct actions against firearms stores. The only things I've ever seen are a bare handful of die-ins. No one is out there fire bombing gun stores, or welding the doors shut, or driving trucks in to them, or stink bombing htem, or shooting the owners.
Democrats only care when it makes the news. And what they care about is a wildly distorted picture of gun violence in America - Only 5-600 people are killed in mass shootings each year out of total of about 45,000 firearms homicides. Only a tiny fraction of those homicides are committed with rifles, and only a fraction of that with AR15s.
But they focus entirely on mass shootings and act as though AR15s are being used in homicides all the time, instead of handguns being the murder weapon 97% of the time.
Personally my theory right now is that after decades of trying to use "inner city violence" as their cudgel for gun control and finding out no one cared that much, they switched to sensationalizing the rare but heart wrenching school shootings and turning the AR15 in to a symbol of "us vs them" relative to the GOP to get their base fired up and donating money again.
But they've never been serious about it. The Dems could have passed a ban during Obama's presidency, the way Clinton did, but they took no action. And now that the GOP controls the house and the SCOTUS everything they say is meaningless hot air. They'll cry big crocodile tears about how terrible it all is, but no one is out there walking in to a gun store with a suicide vest, and democratic politicians won't even consider trying to mobilize their voters for aggressive street actions.
It's all political theater.
I agree that the Democratic Party isn't serious about it, but there's all these regular non-party people who seem to think that if they make posts, spread awareness, and vote they'll somehow get to gun control. Unless they're all full of shit too I would hope they would figure out that they actually need to organize and demonstrate to get something. It's honestly a little disheartening that they haven't figured that out yet because it demonstrates just how politically demobilized the average USian is .
Like the vast majority of American liberals their entire world view regarding politics is performative marches and voting. I doubt one in one hundred of them has ever considered something as simple as chaining the doors of a gun shop closed. And I imagine any time that any of them does independently discover the concept of direct action they're either immediately talked down by their civility loving associates or their energy is coopted by Democrat party functionaries.
I'm sure the deaths of school children are very emotionally upsetting to them, but for all practical intents and purposes the democratic base have no agency and no ability to act.
A big obstacle to having a productive discourse around this topic is the prohibition on just admitting that the constitution sucks, as evidenced by the apparent requirement that we have to periodically sacrifice our children to rightwing psychopaths.
i imagine large protests for gun control would be a prime target for mass shootings, this is america after all
Maybe. I would think there would be a significant amount of organizing on schools among students and faculty before it got to the streets though and there doesn't actually seem to be much of that. NEA and probably a couple of other unions have endorsed the position but unless you can rally the rank and file to the cause the unions won't actually stick their necks out. Instead it seems to be all backroom lobbying and big money non-profits trying to win something which is just never gonna happen unless capital flips on its head.
If they actually cared and thought it was important they'd consider that an acceptable sacrifice.
most of them are probably BIPOC and live in ghettofied white flight areas of disinvestment so libs don't care
While it's true they don't give a shit about minority deaths, they can easily ignore white deaths too. 65% of COVID deaths have been non-hispanic whites and they just see that fact as an inconvenience.
If there's something I learned from the lack of attention anyone paid to the mass death during the pandemic, it's that when America grieved 9/11, they grieved the pretty towers that fell, nothing else about the event (or its consequences) mattered.
Number one cause of adolescent death in the US is firearms as of 2022
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
