A world where you never know if you're talking to another human being unless you're right in front of them.
You wouldn't be able to trust that it's your own mother on the phone. Every thread and chat may just be you talking to yourself through a pile of code. And god knows who that code's talking to. Photo, video evidence in court? Can't prove it's not real, your honor.
An artificial world. Everyone sequestered away into their own bespoke realities, separated by unbreakable walls of uncertainty.
in the future, there will 100% be forums and social medias where it's like tiktok but only with AI content
The machine learning recommendation engine will push the best posts and comments to match your taste but unlike tiktok, it's literally all AI generated content since text is the cheapest and easiest to do
of course, they can't market it like this because it'll seem lame so everybody will just believe they're using a normal fourm interacting with real humans but it's all just 0s and 1s
I thought China was requiring them to have watermarks? Which is not the same as stopping them. Also they shouldn't be stopped, in my opinion, they should be more regulated. They have tremendous power as a tool for pipelining special effects or making agitprop anonymously. We should attack the mode of production, not the instruments of production. The problem as always is the problem of ownership (of the means of production) accountability (for actions taken with those means) and transparency (of when those means are used). I understand the anxiety around this stuff, but there was also anxiety around 3D models becoming too lifelike back in the day.
You are telling on yourself more than you know. It's true. At some point all of your internet weirdo friends might be cyber weirdos and you wouldn't know it.
However, that means you would just have to go outside and talk to people. Every boomer's fantasy of going back to 1999
Finally, twitter drama will come back to be weirdos "fighting" in the mall fountain area
"Telling on myself" that I use dominant forms of communication im a country where loved ones are hours away by car
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I am on this same website don't be smug. And similarly I should be out meeting people where I am. Yeah, I got friends a two hour drive from me as well. I should be developing community where I am here. That is import. That is praxis
Hard disagree, I played around with some speech ai thing and I came away from it with the conclusion that it relies heavily on standardised language, you give it Zizek it outputs a random white us male guy everything gone, same with my own voice I'm a non native english speaker so I do have an accent when I speak english completely gone. It erases the accent of Michael Caine etc.
I haven't done anything with images but I'd imagine that AI struggles with stuff like piercings and more pronounced make-up.
I think what could be happening is that the standard get a.i.-iefied because the A.I. gets trained on 'standard' language, 'standard' looks and 'standard' posts. Which could mean that if you are not conforming to those standards you'll be fine which could lead to people just no longer conforming to standards.
And I think this post makes some good points about what 'standard' actually means.
imagine that AI struggles with stuff like piercings and more pronounced make-up.
AI images are even worse than that. They still struggle with stuff like hands.
I've played a little around with StableDiffusion and I must admit that it is great fun and can give some cool results but I don't think it's going to challenge our perception of reality anytime soon though.
You can get AI to generate an image of a conventionally beautiful 20-something woman sitting in one of a handful of seductive poses relatively easy. If you're lucky the AI won't even mangle her hands. But the moment you move away from that, quality rapidly drops. Making the AI do old, fat or ugly people is hard and getting it to do any type of complex scene involving multiple people or objects is near-impossible.
It'll be a long while before you can put "realistic footage of Jeremy Corbyn kissing Hitler" into the AI and get a believable output.
Define a long time. Cause in the scheme of things we went from Twitter bots to mostly passing the Turing test in half a dozen years.
Yeah an AI that can barely make an image of an attractive woman is still an insane leap compared to a decade ago
The rudimentary twitter bots you're imagining were the forefront of tech over 60 years ago, not 6. 'Eliza' was an NLP bot that was developed on computers in the 1960s that was more advanced than most of those twitter bots, back then people were also asking just how many more days until the robo-apocalypse. This is an insanely complex field, and we've made an advancement and it looks very pretty, but it still has fundamental flaws.
So, we've gone from that to this AI in 60 years. Thus, if we're comparing those leaps as roughly equivalent, by a long time, we could easily be looking at another 50 years.
Also Eliza for the curious: https://www.masswerk.at/elizabot/
Precisely. There are orders of magnitude difference in difficulty between "making very standard, vague stuff that is 90% believable" to "making a wide range of things that can actually be convincing".
I think it's just the nature of the beast, a lot of AI generated stuff seems to work with a 'platonic ideal' if you want something that outputs believable stuff that ideal needs to be enforced quite strongly and that'll then override what makes things special that's why when I put in three voice samples it output the right pitch but a completely wrong 'dialect/accent' i.e. it enforced the 'platonic ideal' it had of what language is, so far the believeable stuff I've heard is all voice actors who due to the nature of their work have to have a standard accent, emulating a mom that maybe says a word weird or who has a strong xyz accent is pretty far away and might never happen unless someone spends hours to imitate a specific speech pattern.
believable output.
have you ever listened to chuds talking for 5 minutes?
Today, chuds and libs accuse everyone they disagree with of being "NPCs."
Tomorrow, it's likely they'll accuse everyone they disagree with of being chatbots.
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I have already been called chatgpt on reddit for questioning the heckin' NAFO ukraine narrative, it's the lib version of npc
Spam bots are going to get people's voice data from social media, all the spyware preinstalled on phones, and smart wiretaps such as alexa. They'll pose as friends and family and call you from their numbers. They'll intercept your calls to friends and family. You'll never know if there's a human on the other end of a phone call until they tell you about the amazing deal they just got on a warranty for their car.
I doubt it. spam bots are purely a numbers game and anything more sophisticated would increase costs significantly
To make you feel worse, if we're hearing about this technology now, it's probably a lot further along than what we are shown.
If it makes you feel any better, all this technology takes a lot of resources, money, manpower, and technology to make and run. I'm pretty sure both AI and the Internet will no longer be available to most people in the somewhat near future. Climate wars, total economic collapse, communist uprisings, and so on are on the horizon.
Anyway, if the worst comes to pass and like you say, the only way we could assume someone is real is off the internet, then that's simply a better incentive to log off and spend your life focusing on orgs and people.
I compulsively listened to an hour or two of memes of the new voice "AI" to learn to recognize it, but there will just be a new one next week
Prediction: Chatbots will crack the 50% mark on the Turing test by hornyposting. Then humans will start writing like chatbots, pushing them to 100%
me, using ai to learn esoteric trans history that i wouldnt have found in a basic internet search : :blob-no-thoughts:
i just type shit like 'list transgender people in history' in chatgpt or something else and sometimes it comes up with some interesting names i havent heard of before and are actually suspected to be trans in some random ass scholarly source in a different language
apparently the mughal ruling dynasty had a lot of people like that. wild to know
Ime, it's not better, just different and often worse. I think if you want to research anything in depth then you're better off with a traditional search engine.
Yeah it can be used as that or a lot of other things. Its a sort of general purpose AI. But it does fuck up really basic stuff all the time so its important to fact check what its saying. But it can lead you down some interesting rabbit holes
Inevitably living in the woods gang, far away from society where no human or machine can mess with you gang rise up.
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We currently have a relatively convincing language model, that can make a singular, somewhat convincing and vague response, but we do not have an AI that can engage in meaningful conversation. Play with ChatGPT and you will realise it still has fundamental limitations.
We are a long way away from AI being able to actually accurately replicate the human mind, and overcoming that obstacle will be decades away at least. By the time AI can convincingly replicate human conversation, it will almost certainly have motivations and independent thought - there will be many, many more implications than "you can't trust digital conversations".
I honestly don't understand what part of what you're describing is a nightmare. Completely undercutting any association of validity of staying at home and typing to "people" on the internet causing people to go outside and talk to people in real life sounds good actually, like the first step in ending this techcorp attention capture nightmare.
I actually know my mom well enough that I would question it is she started acting strangely
I mean yeah but if she tried to sell me supplements I would just hang up. I also don't think that would be a cost effective way of scamming people. It's all about volume of people reached
No, I've never heard of that happening. How would the AI access data to know what the person sounds like?
