This is the kind of comment that makes me love federated media more than ever. So glad reddit died so this could happen
One issue
No i disagree on a lot more than one issue. Covid, climate, surveillance, taxes, fracking, how to handle infrastructure, civil rights, war, funding for Nazis and a lot more. Palestine is just the dealbreaker.
Pretty telling that they think there's just one teeeny tiny thing he's wrong on (genocide)
What are you antisemite? Are you a trump supporter? How dare you not vote for a tiny bit o genocide with a side order of massive police funding increase with it's inevitable brutality and anyway he said 'nothing would fundamentally change' so what did you expect healthcare or student debt relief? Get real. It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the trump again
And how Biden doesn’t actually support unions (the railroad workers).
What's funny is that no one considers what that says about all the presidents since FDR before Biden, even if it were true.
They didn't think Trump was wholly bad, he was just too loud and uncouth
If he'd acted like a 'dignified' Republican (or even GW), they'd have grumbled as they always do but been tolerant of him.
Remember when he dropped that bomb and suddenly became presidential for a while?
I remember the whole discussion about him acting 'presidential' at his inauguration because he actually managed to shut up for a protracted period
- Disagrees on one issue
- Police brutality against protesters on that one issue
- Calls the protesters anti-Semitic
- Bans a whole social media platform for that one issue
Drags the rest of the world into a war for that one issue.
Keep belittling my principled and consistent opposition to the systematic extermination of entire ethnic, religious, or cultural groups, widely regarded as the ultimate crime greater than any other conceivable crime.
Fucking liberals.
Sure, but the reality of the situation is that the guy running against Biden thinks we're not killing Palestinians fast enough, while Biden at least verbally condemns Israels extreme response.
Empty words considering his actions, but those actions have been the de-facto response the US Govt. has taken with Israel for over 50 years.
It's a shit spot to be in, like most things in America, but acting like voting against Biden/democrats will produce anything in progressives favor is extremely naive....to say the least.
You're absolutely right, which is why most of us act like voting won't produce anything and is a largely unimportant form of political action.
Well we got here because Republicans have a locked in voting block who votes for them no matter what in primaries/general elections, which has resulted in our slow descent into fascist policies.
There absolutely should be protests and other forms of political action, but progressives constantly finding reasons to abstain from voting is exactly why we're in the political climate we find ourselves in.
Being present during every election and voting for progressive candidates at the state level is the only way to get us out of this long term. If that wasn't the case, the fascists wouldn't be constantly trying to induce apathy by convincing people voting is pointless/rigged.
but progressives constantly finding reasons to abstain from voting
Name the reasons
Wut? You're in a thread filled with people saying they're not voting at all and I'm responding to a comment that reiterated just that!
Quit being obtuse. I left reddit cuz it was impossible to have a genuine discussion about hot button issues...real sad this topic has exposed that lemmy is full of the same crop of people.
How about you quit being a fucking stooge?
You're having a fucking whinge about "progressives" who won't "vote blue no matter who".
How about the Biden administration not fucking fund a genocide? Why is that such a fucking hard ask? Why is that progressives fault?
It is literally impossible to not loose votes of at least some people when you commit genocide. That's just how people work. Instead of trying to rewrite humanity, the Biden admin should work on improving itself.
Vote for slow genocide happening now, or vote for fast genocide later...
There won't be a Palestine by election day. Liberals have assured me that Biden has no power over Bibi, so how exactly is trump going got speed the genocide up?
Oh cool libs have started doing the "Don't hate me just because of a difference of opinion" shit that right wingers have done forever.
What's the different opinion, you sick nazi fucks?
There was a point in time where I thought that was a hyperbolic statement and was a meme. Same with "social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism". Not anymore. Every day it just proves more and more true
social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism
Don't forget the "objectively" in there. Its the best part
Nah, it's just the result of not having a true liberal/progressive party. As it stands, the current democratic party is more comparable to 'normal' conservative parties in progressive countries than anything resembling a sane liberal party.
You might have been right, if the "moderate wing of fascism" quote wasn't originally said by a Georgian (the other kind of Georgian) man in 1924.
I'm familiar with the quote, that's why I didn't think it was applicable to the entire democratic party. You could definitely argue the point when it comes to the factions within the party that carry the fascists water for them under the guise of bipartisanship, but that's also why I used quotes around normal conservative. Since I would say we are 10 years( probably much less) from that 'moderate wing of fascism' being a wholly accurate description of the party.
I hear what you're saying, but I don't know how important this hair is to split if there's only like 7 people that aren't carrying water for fascists (might even be generous there) they are hardly a robust opposition to any actual authority wielded by the state.
Also if you estimate we are 2 election cycles or less away from fascism I'd say it's already here at our house and we're just waiting for him to take the coat off and sit downat the table.
I wouldn't go that far to say it's just 7 congress members. I primarily believe we're that close due to the structure of our government. It favors the will of the minority(population wise) party(currently 1 step away from pure naked fascism) and all that's needed is a small amount of 'bipartisan-ism" to achieve their goals while preventing the majority(population wise) party from implementing any of their agenda.
I'm sure you're already aware, but for anyone that isn't, this is a(poorly explained) example of the ratchet effect
No. I don't think that's exactly accurate. There is no comparing American parties with political parties from other countries. America is relatively unique in that it is an empire. Its political parties don't really fit on the same standard as others around the world.
If you look at Latin America, Africa, Asia, the normal Conservative parties there have no interest in going to war every other week.
All liberals framing this a disagreement says is that nobody in Gaza is truly human to them and they're just some nebulous "issue". If you're willing to write off 40,000 dead as an issue that you disagree on, you're not a human. You're a soulless ghoul that should be dealt with.
It's over 100,000 dead. They can't count corpses under gravel and nobody counting anymore at all
The number is an educated guess and we won't know until the end of the genocide.
https://palestine.un.org/en/259667-rafah-‘pressure-cooker-despair’-gaza-us-ambassador-un-stresses-vital-role-unrwa#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20100%2C000%20people%20in,World%20Health%20Organization%20(WHO).
Even ignoring the genocide in Gaza entirely, how many US citizens has Biden killed with his rollback of COVID regulations and the repeal of the child tax credit?
That "one issue disagreement" is concealing a fucking genocide. How can people post this, and genuinely think that bombing Gaza to dust is just an UwU Smol Bean disagreement?!
This is literally when republicans are like "they banned me for my conservative beliefs"
Very telling they're not saying what that "one disagreement" is
Also it's not one disagreement it's like the 4th or 5th it's just the one that stopped most people from even entertaining liberals bullshit excuses.
He's also still a strike breaker who's got us drilling more oil than anybody anywhere ever and I still haven't forgot that he proposed ending the entire asylum system like 4 weeks ago in order to appease republicans tonget them to send the other multi billion dollar aid package to famously corrupt neo nazis.
can we also add
AFROMAN
fun rapper who hates cops too
From Wikipedia:
On February 17, 2015, Afroman was midway through his performance at a live music venue in Biloxi, Mississippi, when a woman walked on stage. While dancing and holding a drink, she approached Afroman from behind. Afroman punched her in the face and was eventually escorted offstage by security. He was taken into custody, charged with assault, and released on bond shortly thereafter.
There were reportedly 12 to 15 security guards on duty to manage a crowd in excess of 500 people. According to Afroman's representative, he had punched the woman as an involuntary reaction to the invasion of his personal space. Afroman also stated that he mistook her for another audience member who had been heckling him throughout the performance. He publicly apologized and sought assistance with anger management.
ok yeah it sucks to punch anyone in the face if they weren't violent themselves, i'd say seeking assistance with anger management is an appropriate step. but also if you're climbing onto stage with a musician you should probably expect something equivalent to being punched in the face to happen to you, leave the performer alone lmao
Genocide is an "issue" that we "disagree" on.
No gulag for you, liberal.
Like it's somehow the citizens fault that slaveholders wrote a constitution where they presidential election is a shitshow, even by Western standards.
Gerrymandering, voter suppression, media manipulation, primary rigging and finally the electoral collage safety valve. Oh and the two same parties that'd ruled for 200 years are practically identical. But hey, at least you can choose what color the orphan crushing machine will be painted these four years.
Remember to
Sorry genocide supporters, I’m still not voting for your decrepit old fuck
I hate liberals I hate liberals I hate liberals I hate liberals I hate liberals
Honestly, libs must love the genocide. It gives them cover for all the other ways Biden is garbage too. They get to pretend it's just that one issue (which mustn't be named because genocide sounds bad), and they align with the left on everything else. Grossly inadequate action on climate change all but certainly dooming millions to death by climate disaster, white supremest border policies and foreign policy more broadly, failure to increase the minimum wage, failure to control cost of living, failure to protect reproductive rights, failure to protect LGBTQ+ rights, massive infrastructure failures like train derailments and Boeing and bridges, funding a corrupt military industrial complex grift in Ukraine, stoking a world war with China while simultaneously denying us affordable electric vehicles, robustly funding the police while discrediting and neutering BLM movement and then siccing their paid piggies on us first chance they get, expansion of domestic surveillance, failure to meaningfully address the rise of mask off fascism in America, healthcare please, no college debt relief, the list goes on and on.
But no, they just have to pretend we're all holdouts and unreasonable for caring about one issue. It's the only one they can't rationalize away because genocide is truly a bridge too far, so they retreat behind rhetoric and flatten the magnitude of that issue by pretending it somehow has to be considered in the larger picture while simultaneously refusing to give the larger picture any kind of sober analysis. These people are truly the smoothest of brains.
Honestly, libs must love the genocide.
Of course they do, and it doesn't matter the flavour of liberal (conservatives/fascists) you talk to, it's like they're cruel for cruelty's sake. They believe that their imperialist genocides are unquestionably justified, and they'll be smug while they do it too.
don't forget we're all dying early from long covid because we're "useless eaters with multiple comorbidities"
The one issue is:
- Genocide in Palestine
- Refusal to do anything about abortion
- Refusal to do anything about healthcare
- Refusal to do anything about housing
- Refusal to do anything about transportation/infrastructure
- Doing 25% of what they promised about climate change (which is already 25% of what should be done).
- Enabling fascism everywhere
- Being hostile to China for no reason
- Stopping all Covid protections months early
- Rampant "inflation"
- Social Security implodes in <10 years
- Losing to the Republicans
- Not punishing nerds like Fetterman and whats her name for not following the party line
Just that one. And that's ignoring the continued general Capitalist genocide, allowing companies to rule us, the rotting education system, collapsing meaningful tech progress (Remember the Space Race?), and the general inability to govern without resorting to marshal law.
I am in my early 40s. The genocide of Gaza is probably the most evil thing the US has been directly involved in in my lifetime. One thing my ass.
Just to be clear, as somebody in the same general age cohort: that's a pretty high fucking bar. See: Lebanon, Panama, Iraq, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Afghanistan, Iraq 2: Daddy Issues Boogaloo, Yemen, I'm missing somewhere in the ballpark of a hundred (not an exaggeration) evil things America has done in my lifetime. Some shit in Sierra Leone? Definitely some fucking around in Iran. The evil shit piles up so high it's hard to keep track.
Plus the domestic deathtolls due to poverty (homelessness, unaffordable health/dental care, malnutrition)
WHAT IS THE ISSUE
