Youtube is a hellsite of reaction.

  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    2 years ago

    You can't be racist against white people. You can be all sorts of other ists but not racist. Hell you can be racist against specific European ethnicities and nationalities under certain contexts. You can't be racist against "white" people because it exists solely as a class for dominating another.

    • GaveUp [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Disclaimer: I'm a minority and I make "racist" jokes about white people and talk shit about them all the time to the point where even all my friends (all minorities) get super uncomfortable about it

      What word would you describe somebody who goes up to random white people on the streets and then physically assaults them because they're white while yelling "cracker" at them?

      I feel like it's better to say racism hardly affects white people and that it's really hard to be racist towards white people. All the white stereotypes are barely negative compared to minorities' stereotypes. Being called a cracker is nowhere near the level of calling a minority a racial slur. Being "racist" towards white people has no wider reaching effects other than just that one event whereas it's the completely opposite with minorities

      But I think in the scenario I described above has to be an example of how one can be racist against white people

      Because trust me, I can definitely find many ways to be racist towards white people if I wanted to lol

      • ShareThatBread [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        What word would you describe somebody who goes up to random white people on the streets and then physically assaults them because they’re white while yelling “cracker” at them?

        Imaginary

      • Gabbo [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        The old adage was that racism = prejudice + power. And since the institutions in this country were established and are maintained by white supremacy, there are few instances where non-white people can flex prejudice & power over the :cracker:

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think the difference is that as a white person you aren't racialized so any insult to the white race can easily be shrugged off as not reffering to you. The word cracker only evokes performative offence

        If it makes sense white is essentially the state of not having been arbitrarily been assigned to a racial group. The history is that the European powers made up race as they went along to justify each new colonial project it was never a unified theory.

      • Hohsia [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        What the hell are you doing on this site

        , I can definitely find many ways to be racist towards white people if I wanted to lol

        Dude. No you cannot

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        2 years ago

        That's just prejudice agai st people with pale skin which could ve any number of ethnic groups. Racism is part if a whole structural system that undergirds the economic reproduction of society. In this context "white" doesn't actually apply to an ethnic group, but to an ever-changing and amorphous group that is contiguous with economically dominant within any context in which it finds itself. This is why different ethnic groups and individuals move in and out of 'whiteness' as the economic paradigm requires. We are seeing this now as second and third generation children of South and central American immigrants are beginning to move into "whiteness." Yes whiteness does, generally, have some phenotypes and behaviors associated with it, but they are loose and contingent on the necessity if maintaining the white supremacist racial hierarchy, not some communal self understanding and organic development of a social group.

        For example I am a white trans woman and an athiest from upstate new York. I have very little in common with a white cisgender christian man from east Texas. From an ethnic perspective I have more in common with a black trans woman in the same town as me. The one thing that binds me with the white dude in Texas is the relative dominance we have economically in society as "white" people. As a socialist I want to see the end of that dominance hierarchy.

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          We are seeing this now as second and third generation children of South and central American immigrants are beginning to move into “whiteness.”

          Even more confusingly if they were in Europe they would have been considered white the whole time. It's one of the weird things about America that they think Spanish people aren't white

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        You can be racist against white but not in a white society. Go to Japan and see American's getting fucked by Japanese landowners that sees them like noisy and dirty gaijin.

        But it is very obvious in these discussions that when people discuss this they are not talking about racism against white in the third world or some select circumstances(japanese xenophobia) but realy just racism in general within western society. Japan is honorary western at best, like really stretching the definition.

        In a western society I'd say it is definitely impossible to be systematically racist against white people period. The reaction you see here is pretty much as expected. Sure as you say you can emulate the behavior while living in the west if you want, but that is no more being racist as libs thinking they're revolutionary leftists by boycotting [evil corporation here].

        • GaveUp [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Oh for sure systematic racism against white people is impossible

          I just feel like on an individual basis it'd be fairly simple to be racist towards a white person if you have a physical advantage

          I think there was a story posted here a few weeks ago about how some black student kept calling a white student cracker and the teacher had to intervene because the white kid was crying and stuff

          That was more what I was talking about. Though I guess this website is not mature enough to talk about these differences seeing as in that thread I saw a bunch of comments shitting on the white kid and calling the bullying justified and I had to exit out instantly

          • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            Though I guess this website is not mature enough to talk about these differences seeing as in that thread I saw a bunch of comments shitting on the white kid and calling the bullying justified and I had to exit out instantly

            Yeah of course the twitter/reddit mentality is still present here in some ways, this isn't news.

            But as I said there is a legitimate difference between racist behavior and structural racism(and consequences) and people just default to the latter even when just talking about the former.

            I don't think anyone here legitimately thinks the world would be better of if all schools became an interracial war zone(again) if really pressed on the issue. But seeing [insert white person] get fucked by the minority immediately invokes a reaction because lets be honest it is a damn rare sight in the actual real world lol.

  • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't understand this behavior. How does he not understand that the racists are not going to respect him no matter how he panders.

  • Hohsia [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    An Asian doing race war rhetoric for a white male is a fucking bit

    Cmon man

  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    When I read the title I assumed that it was going to be about the corrosive effect of racial supremacy even on the racists but that must be because I temporarily forgot that this is the bad universe.

  • kkitsuragisleftnut [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Out of all the flavors of Uncle Toms out there, Asian ones vex me the most. Stastically Asians outrank the average white person in nearly ever metric (higher financial status, better education, lower divorce rates, higher ethnic homogeneity, lower crime rates, higher life expectancy etc) but yet they trip over themselves to lick the white mans' boots. Why?

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    2 years ago

    It is okay to be Germanic.

    It is okay to be Celtic.

    It is okay to be Slavic.

    It is okay to be Iberian.

    It is not okay to be White.

  • Vingst [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I think it's really quite simple, but I didn't get it for the longest time. Whiteness isn't really about skin color or geographic origin. "White" is a euphemism, not literally skin color. It's just about being a member of the cultural in-group, a privileged class from which others are excluded. Like southern European immigrants to the US weren't white until they were culturally Americanized.

    I guess I'm just learning what intersectionality is, right?

    It should be fairly easy to teach everyone this, but the powers that be work hard to keep that from happening. They ban CRT, they post edited videos of "hysteric" college students with dyed hair, they decry "wokeness". A bunch of stuff like that that someone would not be aware of until right-wing media misinforms them. They turn a threat to whiteness into a threat against oneself and one's loved ones personally, and threats like that are quite an effective propaganda technique.

    I guess there are those who do get it on some level, but they'd rather stay on top of the hierarchy than destroy it.

    Anyway, how do we defeat this reaction? Get to them first? Focus on educating people about this concept at a very early age? Maybe children's books and other media.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    2 years ago

    i know he's shucking and jiving and he doesn't really believe this dumbass shit but imagine showing this guy the movie White Chicks