Every job should have a public posting period and all qualified candidates should have to be interviewed, no exceptions. Idk why only public sector work has remotely sane hiring policies.
Damn man wild that the best person for the job is someone you knew again. Crazy how that keeps happening. How do you know all the competent people
I've kinda done this, but by socializing around town and finding competent workers with socialist leanings then railing then through the hiring process and taking them under my wing while they learn the industry
It's crazy how much people are able to learn. This is draftsman/engineering work and our best people are ones that come from service.
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I really hate my job, but I was incredibly lucky to get it (through a job placement program), so I’m basically just stuck in it. I’ve tried applying for other jobs but they just don’t want me. But I’m pretty sure I’m going to end up fired or burn out so hard that I have to quit. After that I have no idea what will happen.
you have some of my exact same experiences that it's uncanny. It's unreal that capitalism creates these same situations for people isolated from one another. I have multiple degrees but I don't think it matters much because I failed to "network" in school, as in I failed to become friends with some rich guy's son who can get me a job through nepotism. I have a job now I'm trying to hang onto, but it's rapidly becoming clear everyone here except me got there through family connections or sheer random chance.
The only viable career path I have right now is ask to become management and I abjectly refuse. I'm not going command people nor do I want to be in charge of hiring/firing. The other option is do what every else here does, work for a few years, save up money, and get into real estate. Flipping houses or being a landlord. I'm not doing that either.
It doesn't help that I hate the work. Half of my job simply involves filling the atmosphere with more CO2 and I go home feeling guilty about it every day. I don't know what else to say other than death to America and death to capitalism.
It’s probably made 10x worse from the facts I have no higher education degree and that I know absolutely zero people irl and have no friends because of lifetime of mental issues.
I am in this exact position, and my only hope in life is that I can get on disability for mental illness
Hope you can get it.
thanks!
disability is actually below the poverty line where I live (B.C., Canada) but it would still give me a much better life than I can otherwise hope for in Capitalist Hell
That's where I'm at. I have a job I was put into because a staffing agency begged on my behalf. Most people with my job burn out after 2 years, but I'm probably going to make it to at least 10. Everyone who had my job previously was either promoted to management or found higher level work elsewhere. I fundamentally reject becoming a manager and other workplaces simply do not want me.
I have no network at all and a very basic resume. I have degrees but it's never seemed to matter. Other jobs just don't want me. I give off weird vibes in person, so interviews don't go well for me. I hate that I have to possess a very specific set of social skills that don't come naturally to me.
The Soviet Union and East Germany gave everyone the right to change their job iirc.
That's why some companies pay a bonus if you refer someone and they get hired. Anything that simplified and shortens the hiring process saves money probably.
Which sucks when trying to get a job without knowing anyone at all in the industry.
well also you're "network" is worthless if your dad and uncles aren't wealthly elites who send you to an Ivy League school to "network more".
Just "being an extrovert" is like finding a $100 bill on the ground once every few weeks for networking.
Unless they meant unionizing, which is based and cool.
I realized as a kid that all jobs in America involve trying to impress and/or trick a rich person, so the primary skill for getting a job is bullshitting. Every job I've had that wasn't minimum wage or government had at least a dozen coworkers who were there through family connections, or friend of a friend. That kind of thing always seems to override a good resume, like being friends with the boss's nephew or whatever.
When it's America: "networking" (normal, cool)
When it's China: "guanxi" (foreign, bad)
All hiring should be done through a universal, government run job system. No custom resumes or cover letters, just a single form that you fill out your information and history. All jobs are posted on that system, including information like salaries and benefits, and that needs to be the only way to apply.
Customizing things per job can be pretty useful though. Since recruiters normally spend very little time glancing at each application.
Tbqh I care much more about the people applying than the people reading the applications. But also wouldn’t having every application be in the same format be helpful? You know which sections you need to be looking at for each applicant, and can ignore the parts not relevant instead of having to scan a whole resume.
Having the same format could be useful.
I wasn't saying customizing is useful for the one reading the application. In any situation someone who has to read them will do so quickly, so just for the sake of the applicant it makes sense to have the relevant info for that position up top
We need a Civilian Conservation Corps to build climate change mitigation projects. Not necessarily nice jobs but something guaranteed to everyone who needs work.
Of course the capitalists would never have it again. They need their reserve army of labor.
Genuinely if we had a universally offered 100k salary for “You do the climate mitigation work we tell you to do” it would fix half of the US’s domestic problems
You could get people to do it for 20 bucks an hour in the south and 27 and hour on the coasts. Forget 100k, people can't afford housing.
See I specifically set it so high because it would lift the rest of society up because now you have to pay 80k to get someone to work at McDonald’s. When there’s a single employer that will give anyone a great salary it makes the rest compete with them.
This is in “if we’re gonna do capitalism let’s throw in a couple things to make it work right” mode
All future office workers must push 100 pencils while being yelled at by the Sales Sergeant
Doxxing myself a bit, but I work for my federal Govt. The application process is asinine, especially for the general public. You have to apply online, paste your resume in plain text, and answer 10-50 questions. The application is then screened by an algorithm and then further screened by a hiring board made up of rotating members.
The thing is, there's no information provided on how that algorithm rejects applicants, or how these questions should be answered. You need to answer each question specifically, then provide past examples, with full dates, locations, and organizational structure. If you submit an answer with no dates, it's considered a fail.
From there you need to do a written test, and a (since covid) video test. Each have these same rules with no heads up to applicants.
And, you can not hire (outside of students) without going through this process. The absoloute fastest turn around I've seen for this was 6 months. And that's unheard of. Generally these take 18-24 months.
If you don't have someone with knowledge of the process you have no chance of succeeding, it's very frustrating. Best part, when ever it's challenged the employer blames the unions, who have no right as per collective agreements to challenge hiring processes, only to review decisions and grieve if they're a member based on discrimination.
Sounds like every job. Make a nice resume and then manually write everything out again anyway :amerikkka-clap:
Then it gets tossed because the cryptic resume scanning software went from liking "impact" words to liking numbers or some shit
It’s funny because someone I know was telling me like 10 minutes ago how quantification is the new resume trend
when ever it’s challenged the employer blames the unions, who have no right as per collective agreements to challenge hiring processes
God, AFSCME needs to get more ambitious.
I work at a MEGACORP and I have been on hiring committees, and from my experience one's ability to interview well, and ones ability to perform the tasks of the position are not really 1-to-1. Sometimes a good candidate can interview very well and do the job, other times not. it's just a roll of the dice and we add negative modifiers to people just cause they aren't good talking to randos. It's really weird to me that people have to learn how to meta-game interviewing. There are so many books, videos, courses, and classes, on how to interview. Not how to do the job, not how to do the day-to-day but how to get the opportunity to do that. That's some next level neoliberalism if you ask me.
Being personable is great and all, but it doesn't really say anything about your ability to do or not do whatever is related to the role.
I had a terrible interview with for my current position, I only landed the job cause a referral if I'm being honest. I can do the job and do it well (being a cog in a MEGACORP is surprisingly easy) but if it were purely off my ability to sell myself to dudes in suits I probably won't have even got the entry-level position in the first place.
I genuinely believe that facets of jobs hunting are all sorts of -ists. There are so many unseen social factors that ultimately decided if you're "qualified" for a role that really shouldn't be considered at all. I wish this were more discussed.
I'm certain tons of people are good fits for the day-to-day tasks of a job from grocery cashier to astronaut but aren't great at talking to a stranger whom they know can directly influence their financial livelihood outcomes. Interviewing at this point is a meta-game in the process of finding a job, and to me it shows how arbitrary landing a job is. Just because you can or cannot interview well really don't display how you can do a job. Hiring is a deeply broken system that relies on archaic and arbitrary customs.
As with most things, "THE MARKET™️®️©️" is really bad a sorting people.
yeah idk why that was removed unless the user has a history of ableism. people are awful and especially so when they feel like they have nonconsensual power over you.
Yeah like it’s a bit of an exaggeration for comedy but when I’m applying for jobs basically my top priority is to not have to ever interact with a customer or patient. If I have to do that every day again I’ll kill myself.
I genuinely do believe that making me interact with the general public on a daily basis as a core part of my job is ableist.
Full disclosure i got my current job because my first journeyman knew a guy and put a good word in for me.
That being said if you can physically perform a trade or other type of skilled labor the hiring process is a lot more based on experience. I don't think I've even given a resume to my past few employers they just ask how long I've been doing it and the rest is determined on the job.
Otherwise yeah job hunting in a system that puts the employer first is brutal
yeah it kind of broke me learning first-hand how prevalent this is at every level of even academia
Not just ablest, it's discrimination in all forms. A white cishet man as manager is much less likely to have connections with black groups, LGBT groups, or women. Vice versa too ofc, although that's less rare and normally wouldn't have discrimination anyway.
I mean, at some level its just post hoc reasoning. I didn't just get a job from my parents... I Networked!
There's a certain realism to it. Why do the Ivy Leagues command such clout, long after any actual educational benefit has been eclipsed by Khan Academy? How come kids from military families tend to end up as high ranking military leadership? Why are the VPs at my company all named the same?
Nepotism!Networking!To call it ableist feels of the mark, because eventually you get one of those Holy Roman Emperors who just drooled on himself all day.
I should specify I mean discriminating based on a trait not required for the job.
Yes wage labor is ableist for that very reason what's your point
