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"Democracy is rule by a group that is democratic within their own ranks"
-Some Guy, I forget.
Yes, friends, governments in capitalist society are but committees of the rich to manage the affairs of the capitalist class.
Biden being more bloodthirsty than the majority of the US on not just one but TWO unrelated wars is impressive
Guess someone forgot to tell him that warmongering only gets you a popularity boost when you sell the public on it
two unrelated wars
the problem here is that the average liberal pundit/bot/think tank ghoul think that Putin is an evil mastermind who is manipulating all world events along with China and Iran (and sometimes DPRK and even Venezuela) and that the war in gaza is just part of the evil strategy to distract the west from ukraine
and also somehow specifically designed to elect trump for reasons
Logging on to reddit and asking "what time is it in Washington DC, buddy? Got your Biden bux for this post?"
We're in April of 2006 support for the Iraq War territory, so I'm sure we'll leave Ukraine really soon. That's how it worked in Iraq right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq
I think the difference here is that Russia is actually winning on the battlefield, and Ukrainian army isn't likely going to be able to hold on much longer. So, there's going to be an Afghanistan style debacle with public already being against the war.
that still operates under the misunderstanding that they listen to us at all
Eh, if they didn't care at all why would they bother with all the propaganda?
The propaganda ***is *** the part that cares, it's material policy that ignores you completely
I'm... a bit confused by what you mean.
Like if you can get away with doing any material policy you want why bother with the propaganda to convince people it's good actually, just like, do it.
Yeah which seems to suggest the opinion of the masses does actually matter.
Idk feel like we're talking past each other.
The opinions? No. The actions? Yes. The rich are always just a few weeks away from being completely destroyed by the working class taking actions. Propaganda isn't there because they care about public opinion. Propaganda is there to prevent mass action.
Mom (Joe Biden) said no we can't rent a movie tonight (end the war in ukraine).
i figure this is one of those issues where you can make that number say different things depending on how you phrase the question. like, what percentage of americans would Agree that "Russia should relinquish its claims to all Ukrainian territory"?
won't someone think about the military industrial complex?! 😔
Fuck Americans, they always support the current war during the warmongering stage or right when it begins and they always stop supporting it after immense amounts of people have been killed or had their lives ruined
And then they'll smugly insist they never supported the war in the first place.
Voot blooers are starting to feel the pain of the Qanon true believers. "My kids won't talk to me, and it's all because of Israel!"
I want the war to end with Russia fucking off out of Ukraine
Edit: I didn't realize this was imperialismbear.net. My bad.
I didn't realize this was imperialismbear.net. My bad.
New site tagline
Edit: I didn't realize I'd receive pushback on ideas I can't defend. Better find a way to be condescending to save face during my cowardly exit.
Hitting us with this epic own instead of actually engaging us in good faith. It's standard
behavior at this point.
Ah yes, being anti-imperialism is when you blindly support the US' imposed hegemony
It's okay when my side does it!
A perfect encapsulation of the average American lib.
Libs are well known for thinking countries shouldn't be invaded by other countries
Look at all these swings and misses lol
Libs are well known for thinking countries shouldn't be invaded by other countries
"A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."
Are they? Must be why a liberal admin has been killing peace talks for months. Must also be why they were baying for Iraq War 2. And are codifying anti zionism as anti semitism while Israel kills every Palestinian that twitches.
Donbass has been getting shelled by Ukraine for years, civilians were getting killed by shellings from Ukraine well before Russia invaded
People here support the hegemony losing.
Libs are well known for thinking countries shouldn't be invaded by other countries
Is that why Obama sent my friends to invade Syria?
Countries shouldn't bomb what is ostensibly their own civilian population either.
Putin has killed less civilians than
and thus is the lesser evil so he gets my 
Same with Hamas, they kill less children than
so I'm with them
Libs thought Afghanistan and Iraq should be invaded until they turned out to be disasters. Then they were always against it.
While technically not an invasion I guess, libs also cheered for the bombing of Libya and killing of Gaddafi because
wow, Arab Spring!That must be why they've been supporting every single US invasion.
Lmao look at this little worm try to make snide little unnoticeable edits after getting nailed harder than the twin towers instead of having a bit of steel in their spine and actually replying to people
Picture perfect exhibition of the
mentality
Honestly, even trying to put myself in the mindset of a 100% "Slava Ukraini!" person, I don't get the opposition to even HAVING peace talks. If Russia gives you shit terms at the talks you can just refuse them, it's not like having talks means you have to capitulate totally, that's called surrendering, not peace talks.
And it probably would have been way more advantageous for Ukraine to have these talks early when US support was more solid and it wasn't totally clear who was gonna win yet.
Honestly, even trying to put myself in the mindset of a 100% "Slava Ukraini!" person, I don't get the opposition to even HAVING peace talks.
Fascism is the death drive.
And it probably would have been way more advantageous for Ukraine to have these talks early when US support was more solid and it wasn't totally clear who was gonna win yet.
Sorry, we can't have that.- Show
Kinda embarrassingly sad, to be honest.
I like your username.
Edit: I didn't realize this was imperialismbear.net. My bad.
Either you want peace talks or you’re a meat grinder enthusiast
how did you feel about the 2014 coup orchestrated by the USA, was that cool and good
Ukraine only wanted eastern Ukraine for the ethnic cleansing, so nah. Russia gets to keep what they took. If Z wasn't such a CIA asset maybe he would have negotiated to keep from throwing soldiers into the meat grinder. On the other hand, cocaine for dead soldiers is a pretty good deal.
Can you recommend anything to read about this cocaine stuff, out of curiosity?
Edit: I didn't realize this was imperialismbear.net. My bad.
woow good one
Passing this on to VZ (that's what us close with Zelensky call him)
Edit: I didn't realize this was imperialismbear.net. My bad.
Slava my dick and my balls
And I want your nazi ass to fuck off back to lemmy but unlike you I understand that isn't realistic
I think they saw your comment and started to panic, knowing that if they called us tankies they would look owned because of yor prescient prediction. But then clarity cut through their panic and they came up with the most clever, nay brilliant epithet anyone has ever conjured:
Imperialismbear.net.
And it is we who have been owned
They walk away now, knowing we have been put in our place, smiling to themselves and thinking only "swish!"
This is the tankie wing of the site, you may like PPB (pretty politically better) more.
psh, still a bunch of tankies. it should stand for Putin's Paid Bots
Here's an interview with Vijay Prashad, a Marxist scholar who understands the core of world geopolitics, dismantling the idea that Russia-Ukraine is an inter-imperialist conflict: https://youtu.be/pwuatE-3Q5c?t=27m43s
He is very historically literate, being someone who has studied history professionally and applies Leninism to understanding the underlying processes at work. Consider the possibility that you're using terms you don't understand. You won't get very far in describing the world accurately if you don't understand imperialism as Lenin described it in his time, let alone the "hyper-imperialist" system we have today with one supreme world hegemon, which is not Russia or China.
Those countries are defensive powers without imperialist ambitions, Prashad argues. America is the one that has hundreds of military bases across the globe and goes around provoking its designated enemies, such as installing a pro-NATO fascist government in Ukraine. Even if you don't like what I'm saying, like it hurts your feelings or you just don't care, I highly recommend watching the whole 40-ish minute talk Prashad gives in that video, it's a fantastic summation of the world we live in. He also critiques the way a lot of Marxists are analyzing imperialism, so you can't really say his take is dogmatic. Like don't just fuck off back to your own instance without at least looking at the material we're giving you, you might even learn something.
The people of Donbass and Crimea send their regards, they'll never again suffer Banderite barrages and death squads, EVER
Stay mad nazi lover :)
and you're willing to watch thousands more ukrainians die to make sure it happens!
because you said this i now want the full and total annexation of Ukraine, its existence is a mistake
Why don’t you sign up for the Bazinga Brigade and fight for Zelensky in Ukraine?
really a shining example of how reflexive anti-violence can be used to justify anything you want with sufficient framing and cut-off points for when you decide to start analyzing events
"well gee whiz, I have started paying attention to this issue from today onwards with an abject refusal to read even a paragraph of history and it looks like Group A has marched in to commit violence against Group B. this must be the exact same as when Group X marched in to commit violence against Group Y a few decades ago and the consensus was that Group X was bad, so therefore Group A is also bad!"
works with Russia invading Ukraine, and indeed Hamas doing October 7th. all you need is some bizarre overoveroversimplification that imperialism = violence in any capacity and you have yourself an extremely confused left-winger who starts supporting Nazi-infested NATO.
a country like Russia can be so committed to finding some kind of peace that they try and negotiate with the West for eight fucking years while the West is visibly piling troops and equipment into Ukraine and bombarding the Donbass with artillery, and yet when things finally snap, Russia is the most bloodthirsty warmongerer on the face of the planet and Putin is personally responsible for every single bad thing that happens for the decade afterwards, up to and including the results of every Western election, even ones in the past. meanwhile, the US invades Iraq on such flimsy pretenses that even the word "pretenses" is an absurd word to use and their global punishment is what exactly? oh, the endless streams of countries sanctioning the US and banning George Bush from entering their countries! oh, no worries though, you and the rest of the liberals opposed it. a decade or two after it happened instead of at the time, of course, but you got there in the end. oh, we're all so enlightened and anti-violence and anti-invasions now. here's a gold star, you fucking weasel.
there's only one cure for this and it's to read a book. luckily, Lenin's Imperialism is right there.
ass take. Now call us tankies
