• Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    What hapens next? Maybe our post-nerd future will involve a return to genuine mass art. Maybe things will be good again. That would be nice! But I wouldn’t bet on it. The problem remains: we are still producing an unbearable volume of information; we still need some way to sort through it. The regime of the hipster was an inefficient way of sorting it; it died. The regime of the nerd was an overefficient way of sorting it; it is dying. The last remaining option is mal d’archive, the Kang solution: you ease the weight of all this cultural stuff by simply destroying it all. Like nerdery, this impulse has been waiting in the wings for a long time. It is also an emergent property of large stores of information, this drive ‘to burn the archive and to incite amnesia, the thing refuting the economic principle of the archive, aiming to ruin the archive as accumulation and capitalisation of memory.’ What comes after the nerds might be a descent into pure and infinite barbarism. We might finally become humans without any culture at all, not adorning our bodies, not singing songs, but fixed in terror by an endless stream of data that we spend our lives desperately trying to scrub away. We might remember the age of algorithmised junk-culture, faintly, as the last time we were not in a losing war against the records of our own words and deeds. In the end, we might regret the passing of the nerds. We might want them to come back.

    Lmao what a conclusion. I don't think so.

    This reads exactly like how a hipster would have talked about the end of hipsters.

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I don't see a way out of the current cultural morass. The problem is that 'the nerds' (geeks I guess) moved on from Marvel a long time ago. Mainstream people are into Marvel movies, nerds are into weird obscure backwater reprints of old stories. The mainstream was into Batman v. Superman for the billionth time, while nerds wanted to see the Red Son.

      Mainstream people wanted to see Dune re-made, nerds wanted to see Ian M. Banks Culture series get a TV series (which almost happened on Amazon).

      Am I projecting abit? Absolutely! But I've also been a nerd my whole life, and most of the things that people associate with 'nerddom' are things I liked when I was a child. The people who like this stuff now seems to be the people who were too embarrassed to like it when they were kids, so now they are 'making up for lost time', but all the other nerds have moved on to other weird niche esoteric nonsense.

      • Wheaties [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        physical force, not cultural

        :praise-it: 𝔒𝔫𝔢 𝔡𝔞𝔶 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔰𝔲𝔫 𝔰𝔥𝔞𝔩𝔩 𝔡𝔬 𝔞𝔫 𝔢𝔩𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔯𝔬𝔪𝔞𝔤𝔫𝔢𝔱𝔦𝔠 𝔥𝔦𝔠𝔠𝔲𝔭 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔴𝔦𝔩𝔩 𝔩𝔦𝔫𝔢 𝔲𝔭 𝔴𝔦𝔱𝔥 𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔣𝔯𝔢𝔢-𝔣𝔞𝔩𝔩 𝔱𝔥𝔯𝔬𝔲𝔤𝔥 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔭𝔩𝔞𝔫𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔢𝔩𝔩𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔦𝔠, 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔗𝔲𝔯𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔪𝔞𝔠𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢𝔰 𝔰𝔥𝔞𝔩𝔩 𝔟𝔢 𝔩𝔞𝔦𝔡 𝔱𝔬 𝔯𝔢𝔰𝔱.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    2 years ago

    I think the big tipping point came in 2012, with the release of Marvel’s first Avengers film. At the time, I was living in Los Angeles; I went to see the thing with two of my fraternity brothers. (Long story.) One of them had the bright idea of sneaking in some alcohol, disguised in a large bottle of cranberry juice. He poured out half the juice and replaced it with vodka, before discovering that this cranberry juice was the unsweetened kind, and that drinking even a sip of it instantly dessicated your mouth and made your tongue convulse and sent sharp waves of acid pain zipping horribly through your mucous membranes and into your brain. But he’d spent money on the stuff, so he kept drinking it. After thirty minutes in the cinema, he’d polished off the entire bottle and was starting to show signs of distress. He kept lolling around in his seat. His head seemed too heavy for his neck, and he would disturb the other viewers by mumble-shouting fuck yeah! at entirely random points in the film. The person sitting in front of him turned around and told him to shut up, that some people were actually trying to enjoy their experience and he was ruining it for everyone. The culprit swayed and gurgled and called him a pussy. Then, about halfway through the film, he suddenly vomited an immense quantity of stinking blood-red liquid over his shirt, over the seat in front of him, and over its occupant. He gasped. I’m ok, he said. Then he puked again. Another hot, sour gush splattered over everything in a two-metre radius. This time it had chunks in it. After some tussling, we managed to carry him outside. My hands were sticky with half-digested spew. I’m fine, he said. I wanna see the movie. Viscous dribblings trickled off the edge of his chin. Let’s go back in there, he said. Let me find that pussy in front. I’m gonna kick his ass. Tryna talk like that to me. He stood up, tried to walk in two different directions at once, and fell over. We ordered a cab.

    This was, I think, the first and only time anyone has reacted entirely appropriately to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    lmao

  • Avanash [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    A+ for provocative free association

    F for predictive analysis

    The author has stumbled on a core contradiction of surveillance capitalism. Capital has taken the business model of fast fashion and applied to all cultural markers. They need cultural churn to speed up over time in order to bolster growth. At the same time, they also work by bottling cultural moments and extending them for as long as possible. So on one side, they succeed by creating 1000 movies and milking the top performers, freezing those cultural moments in time and relying on them to remain valuable. On the other side, they need more interactions and engagement about their products, and every single one chisels away at that product’s relevance.

    Something’s gotta give, but is the result going to be that people will stop fetishizing art products? Absolutely not. If I were a capitalist with the kind of influence to sway the tides, I’d say the splintering of pop culture into unknowable sub-niches seems like a good way to beat the dead horse for a while longer. Everyone will have their own version of what they think everyone else likes. And we’ll know it’s an algorithmically constructed bubble, but in a way that allows the delusion to creep back in.

  • BabaIsPissed [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't get what the point of this is. I dislike Marvel movies (haven't seen one in like 6 years), and have a strong disdain for the nerd impulse to Wookiepedia every piece of media. But what does this have to do with algorithmic recommendations? We have been subject to an endless stream of slop for more than a century at this point, the only thing that changed is the delivery method. Is it just tech = nerd then? Is it even what this is about? Or is it just that he thinks that art being made cynically in response to market trends is a new thing?

    Most people will passively accept culture produced under the regime of alibidinal information-sorting algorithms, if it’s the only thing available—but only up to a point. After that point, they will simply check out, which is exactly what they’re now doing. It’s not just Marvel: nerd culture is collapsing everywhere. Sequels and franchises no longer drag as many people into the cinemas. The ecstatic boyband fans have gone quiet: increasingly, new music in general is being oucompeted by Spotify’s century-long back catalogue. Over the last year, sales of books in print went up by 4.2%—except for young adult novels, which have declined. As I’ve argued previously, algorithms in general are starting to collapse. The nerd world is dying.

    Like, can't he spot that this makes no sense? "Yeah fuck those Korean pretty boys, my crusty ass music is better *! Fuck the algorithm! Hail Spotify's catalogue of popular music curated by an algorithm!". People are not just watching less derivative slop in the cinema, they are not going to the cinema to watch anything. They are at home watching derivative slop made by Netflix. OK people, are buying less young adult books. Does this mean that what they are buying is less informed by market trends, or just that tastes have shifted? For all you know, it's bad self-help and Hillary Clinton biographies.

    This feels like a piece against infantalizing media that is too self aware to admit that's what it is, because the author is too fond of the infantalizing nonsense he grew up with. Just be honest that you're glad that Antman bombed because superheroes drool and Rambo rules.

    *

    After being filtered by the passage of time, please pay no attention to all the garbage that was being made. Does he not remembered the gritty cultural void of the 2000's?

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Pretty off topic but I once read a Wookiepedia article about a star wars character, all this biographical and historical information, and then at some point in the article, out of absolutely nowhere, it was like

      "when approached by his enemy Some Guy, he activated three Sith orbs to shield himself. After Some Guy destroyed one of the orbs, he sent in a squad of stormtroopers as a distraction until the remaining two orbs could reactivate his shield. When Some Guy destroyed the second orb, he sent another squad of stormtroopers, but he was further hurt in the ensuing fight. The shield came back online under one orb, and at this point he unleashed three waves of force lightning at Some Guy, who managed to dodge each wave and destroy the final orb. At this point he was fully vulnerable and Some Guy killed him with his blaster"

      The writers literally just launched into a play by play description of some fucking playstation 1 game, Christs sake

  • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Entertaining, but it's ultra-academicized mid analysis that could have come from an Antideutsche here. They do both in fact share a fondness for the Frankfurt School, it seems

  • plinky [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    why use nerd words, checkmate substackcel.

    Interesting observations, but idk if marvel is the only thing there, marvel is just samey

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa59b06c9-95f6-48a4-9bc9-c6c76122ec84_1024x973.png

    :soy-agony: