Calling Russia an imperial power is objectively wrong
Not gonna get into a big debate but just ask yourselves: Do you think you would've called Iraq or Afghanistan an imperial power if they were as strong as Russia is now and able to fight back against the US instead of getting carpet bombed?
Once again, it seems people are equivocating about the use of the terms 'empire' and 'imperialism'. If you're using the Leninist definition, then probably no. But this is not the only meaning that people are using when they are calling Russian imperialist. They mean something different and it has its own valid meaning and legitimately negative connotations. By only using the Leninist definition most 'Empires' in history would not actually be empires at all. It's a semantical debate, not a real one. It's difficult to escape the conclusion that Russian would, if it wanted and could, exert its political power more broadly broadly. The invasion was, yes, triggered and caused to a great degree by American imperialism (in both senses), but that does not imply that Russia is necessarily a progressive historical actor.
Other powers can aspire and struggle to an imperial position within an increasingly or potentially multipolar world. Russian's international activity doesn't seem to indicate that they wouldn't take that opportunity. They are a mafioso-capitalist, nationalist state whose discourse is filled with Great-Russian pretensions, and that political ideology doesn't come out of nowhere by accident.
I agree that Russia is not at the same level of fascisation as Ukraine, where its particularly intense, but that doesn't change the fact that Russian has become a deeply chauvinistic, nationalistic, racist, misogynistic place in general. These problems were ofc not solved in the Soviet era, but they have become far, far worse. And you can see this much of their military and their most publically influential thinkers. One of the weirdest experiences honestly when you watch Russian political talk shows is that they are both at a far more intelligent level of conversation of debate than comparable western political discussion, but also how deeply set alot of the reactionary ideology is. Or go on Russian telegram. It will take 10 seconds to find some kind of transphobic or homophobic trash about how the west will lose because we're all becoming gay or trans apparently. Honestly I pray I never have to see what a fully fascist modern Russia would look like.
At the end of the day I agree that the US has been the more dangerous actor, including for the reasons another person above has mentioned, namely the bloodthirstness of their policies and their unpredictability. It seems that the Russian state is currently far more intelligently run than the US's.
Honestly I would say they have pretensions to imperial status over their immediate historical sphere of influence, but they would not be one on the distinct, full leninist definition as of yet, unless they developed in the longer term within their own sphere of influence in a multipolar order.
Also I think the latter question is loaded or abstract, and is basically implying that you're morally obliged to say no to the question because, I'm guessing, that would be to support the US and delegitimise their right to self defence and not getting bombed? Firstly the masses of Ukraine also have a fucking right not to be bombed and raped and tortured by either side, so that defence argument if you're implying it, would apply here. Secondly whether or not a state is reactionary from a local, regional, or global political or geopolitical perspective is somewhat independent of whether or not the US is.
At the end of the day the argument I most sympathise with I seen is simply stating that it would be better for us in the long run due to geopolitical consequences of multipolarity. But then people are basically saying that the lives of innoncent Ukrainians are a worthwhile price to pay. It's doubly ironic because often the same leftists want to have their cake and eat it from the safety of their bedrooms when it comes to these serious and bloody geopolitical questions, because on the one hand they're claim that you can never justify war or violence against the innocent for consequentialist reasons (say, which would favor the US, also tbh from a consequentialist perspective its almost never true that what the US state wants is best for all involved), while on the other hand being willing to make consequentialist judgements in favor of Russia invading and waging this war. I'm not even saying the latter arguments are illegitimate, but it's interesting to see people who don't see the contradiction there.
Also, more concretely, why would they have that power to defend themselves? Modern states do not have that power without the international relations that that brings with it and which, above a certain level, implies a capacity to exert political authority, power and hegemony beyond your formal borders. A modern capitalist and nationalist state, i.e. a non-socialist state, will structurally tend to that whether we want it or not, as part of being in a broader capitalist global system, if it does not want to stay stuck in a periphery status.
I've been trying to come up with a comment for like twenty minutes so I'll just say thank you for sharing your thoughts, comrade, I think it has helped to keep me grounded. :stalin-point:
The Russian government sucks, my heart hopes the war causes both governments to topple and we see a peaceful revolution in both countries along socialist lines. It's a pipe dream but I gotta keep a little ember of hope to keep doomer thoughts at bay.
I hope Putin and zelensky both get the kind Vladimir Ilyich treatment
the US wants to coup putin and replace him with Navalny, an incredibly Islamophobic reactionary who wants to make Russia even more of a privatized hellhole than it already is
and with regards to Zelensky, he's just a dumbass who tripped over his own dick into inheriting a mess from Poroshenko, who was practically installed by a US-backed coup and massively escalated the situation and (along with Yatsenyuk) made Ukraine's economy somehow even worse than it would have been under Yanukovych, and that's saying something.
Calling Russia an imperial power is objectively wrong
Not only is it wrong, it's largely irrelevant, which is even worse. Are people under the impression that a hypothetical still-existing RSFSR would do absolutely nothing while a fascist Ukraine continue to shell the civilian population of the Donbass, that they would sit on their collective soviet socialist asses while fascist Ukraine attempt to ethnically cleanse Russians living in Ukraine and mass their troops close to the Russian border while making overtures to join NATO? We have clear precedent of a socialist country invading a fascist country in order to do a great service to humanity by snapping its neck, so the idea of a socialist Russia just doing nothing (because socialist means pacifism apparently) has no merit. And if Russia would invade Ukraine anyways regardless of whether it's socialist or capitalist or "imperialist," then what is the fucking problem?
A socialist soldier of socialist Russia socialistically pulling the socialist trigger of the socialist rifle to have the socialist bullet socialistically enter and exit the skull of the fascist Right Sektor goon is good while a capitalist soldier of capitalist Russia capitalistically pulling the capitalist trigger of the capitalist rifle to have the capitalist bullet capitalistically enter and exit the skull of the fascist Right Sektor goon is bad apparently. All I see is a dead fascist.
while a fascist Ukraine continue to shell the civilian population of the Donbas
This is what I keep coming back to in every argument about this online and IRL. Russia's invasion wasn't the start of the war, it was an escalation of an ongoing conflict - and yes it fucking sucks that the war got escalated in this way, but it's patently false to say that there wasn't an attempt to end it peacefully. Minsk 2 would have reintegrated Donbas with Ukraine with some protections for its minority population, but Ukraine didn't even implement the first step. Zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the war, but when he tried Azov told him they would rather coup his government than stand down. At some point when negotiations are broken down the only thing any organization has left to do is resort to violence, which the Russian state did when it felt threatened enough by NATO (which if you'll recall spent months warmongering prior to the invasion start) to justify the risk.
IDK, I'd say all state powers are imperialist to some degree regardless of what they've done/are currently doing because they're always going to be motivated to act in such a way. Even China, which I will defend as being the best in this hellworld isn't going to be pure of that sin.
That being said they've done amazingly at it overall. Their claim to Taiwan is justified (although whether or not it's practical is a different question) and as a whole aren't exploitative.
The conservative ruling powers of Russia however, are a bit different. They'd be hand in hand with the US in idealogy if it wasn't for them competing in other fields.
maybe lighter on the "imperial", but definitely yes on the " power"? Russia has the 6th highest PPP in the world and has more active duty military than the US
Calling Russia an imperial power is objectively wrong
Not gonna get into a big debate but just ask yourselves: Do you think you would've called Iraq or Afghanistan an imperial power if they were as strong as Russia is now and able to fight back against the US instead of getting carpet bombed?
Once again, it seems people are equivocating about the use of the terms 'empire' and 'imperialism'. If you're using the Leninist definition, then probably no. But this is not the only meaning that people are using when they are calling Russian imperialist. They mean something different and it has its own valid meaning and legitimately negative connotations. By only using the Leninist definition most 'Empires' in history would not actually be empires at all. It's a semantical debate, not a real one. It's difficult to escape the conclusion that Russian would, if it wanted and could, exert its political power more broadly broadly. The invasion was, yes, triggered and caused to a great degree by American imperialism (in both senses), but that does not imply that Russia is necessarily a progressive historical actor. Other powers can aspire and struggle to an imperial position within an increasingly or potentially multipolar world. Russian's international activity doesn't seem to indicate that they wouldn't take that opportunity. They are a mafioso-capitalist, nationalist state whose discourse is filled with Great-Russian pretensions, and that political ideology doesn't come out of nowhere by accident.
I agree that Russia is not at the same level of fascisation as Ukraine, where its particularly intense, but that doesn't change the fact that Russian has become a deeply chauvinistic, nationalistic, racist, misogynistic place in general. These problems were ofc not solved in the Soviet era, but they have become far, far worse. And you can see this much of their military and their most publically influential thinkers. One of the weirdest experiences honestly when you watch Russian political talk shows is that they are both at a far more intelligent level of conversation of debate than comparable western political discussion, but also how deeply set alot of the reactionary ideology is. Or go on Russian telegram. It will take 10 seconds to find some kind of transphobic or homophobic trash about how the west will lose because we're all becoming gay or trans apparently. Honestly I pray I never have to see what a fully fascist modern Russia would look like.
At the end of the day I agree that the US has been the more dangerous actor, including for the reasons another person above has mentioned, namely the bloodthirstness of their policies and their unpredictability. It seems that the Russian state is currently far more intelligently run than the US's.
Honestly I would say they have pretensions to imperial status over their immediate historical sphere of influence, but they would not be one on the distinct, full leninist definition as of yet, unless they developed in the longer term within their own sphere of influence in a multipolar order.
Also I think the latter question is loaded or abstract, and is basically implying that you're morally obliged to say no to the question because, I'm guessing, that would be to support the US and delegitimise their right to self defence and not getting bombed? Firstly the masses of Ukraine also have a fucking right not to be bombed and raped and tortured by either side, so that defence argument if you're implying it, would apply here. Secondly whether or not a state is reactionary from a local, regional, or global political or geopolitical perspective is somewhat independent of whether or not the US is.
At the end of the day the argument I most sympathise with I seen is simply stating that it would be better for us in the long run due to geopolitical consequences of multipolarity. But then people are basically saying that the lives of innoncent Ukrainians are a worthwhile price to pay. It's doubly ironic because often the same leftists want to have their cake and eat it from the safety of their bedrooms when it comes to these serious and bloody geopolitical questions, because on the one hand they're claim that you can never justify war or violence against the innocent for consequentialist reasons (say, which would favor the US, also tbh from a consequentialist perspective its almost never true that what the US state wants is best for all involved), while on the other hand being willing to make consequentialist judgements in favor of Russia invading and waging this war. I'm not even saying the latter arguments are illegitimate, but it's interesting to see people who don't see the contradiction there.
Also, more concretely, why would they have that power to defend themselves? Modern states do not have that power without the international relations that that brings with it and which, above a certain level, implies a capacity to exert political authority, power and hegemony beyond your formal borders. A modern capitalist and nationalist state, i.e. a non-socialist state, will structurally tend to that whether we want it or not, as part of being in a broader capitalist global system, if it does not want to stay stuck in a periphery status.
I've been trying to come up with a comment for like twenty minutes so I'll just say thank you for sharing your thoughts, comrade, I think it has helped to keep me grounded. :stalin-point:
The Russian government sucks, my heart hopes the war causes both governments to topple and we see a peaceful revolution in both countries along socialist lines. It's a pipe dream but I gotta keep a little ember of hope to keep doomer thoughts at bay.
I hope Putin and zelensky both get the kind Vladimir Ilyich treatment
the US wants to coup putin and replace him with Navalny, an incredibly Islamophobic reactionary who wants to make Russia even more of a privatized hellhole than it already is
and with regards to Zelensky, he's just a dumbass who tripped over his own dick into inheriting a mess from Poroshenko, who was practically installed by a US-backed coup and massively escalated the situation and (along with Yatsenyuk) made Ukraine's economy somehow even worse than it would have been under Yanukovych, and that's saying something.
yeah Navalny fucking sucks, thats why I don't want to see any "color revolution" bullshit in East Europe
Not only is it wrong, it's largely irrelevant, which is even worse. Are people under the impression that a hypothetical still-existing RSFSR would do absolutely nothing while a fascist Ukraine continue to shell the civilian population of the Donbass, that they would sit on their collective soviet socialist asses while fascist Ukraine attempt to ethnically cleanse Russians living in Ukraine and mass their troops close to the Russian border while making overtures to join NATO? We have clear precedent of a socialist country invading a fascist country in order to do a great service to humanity by snapping its neck, so the idea of a socialist Russia just doing nothing (because socialist means pacifism apparently) has no merit. And if Russia would invade Ukraine anyways regardless of whether it's socialist or capitalist or "imperialist," then what is the fucking problem?
A socialist soldier of socialist Russia socialistically pulling the socialist trigger of the socialist rifle to have the socialist bullet socialistically enter and exit the skull of the fascist Right Sektor goon is good while a capitalist soldier of capitalist Russia capitalistically pulling the capitalist trigger of the capitalist rifle to have the capitalist bullet capitalistically enter and exit the skull of the fascist Right Sektor goon is bad apparently. All I see is a dead fascist.
This is what I keep coming back to in every argument about this online and IRL. Russia's invasion wasn't the start of the war, it was an escalation of an ongoing conflict - and yes it fucking sucks that the war got escalated in this way, but it's patently false to say that there wasn't an attempt to end it peacefully. Minsk 2 would have reintegrated Donbas with Ukraine with some protections for its minority population, but Ukraine didn't even implement the first step. Zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the war, but when he tried Azov told him they would rather coup his government than stand down. At some point when negotiations are broken down the only thing any organization has left to do is resort to violence, which the Russian state did when it felt threatened enough by NATO (which if you'll recall spent months warmongering prior to the invasion start) to justify the risk.
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IDK, I'd say all state powers are imperialist to some degree regardless of what they've done/are currently doing because they're always going to be motivated to act in such a way. Even China, which I will defend as being the best in this hellworld isn't going to be pure of that sin.
That being said they've done amazingly at it overall. Their claim to Taiwan is justified (although whether or not it's practical is a different question) and as a whole aren't exploitative.
The conservative ruling powers of Russia however, are a bit different. They'd be hand in hand with the US in idealogy if it wasn't for them competing in other fields.
maybe lighter on the "imperial", but definitely yes on the " power"? Russia has the 6th highest PPP in the world and has more active duty military than the US
this take is my answer to OP's questions