https://www.reddit.com/r/libertarianmeme/comments/12vw2r3/he_sure_earned_a_special_throne_in_hell/

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    2 years ago

    My friend used to say that he feels bad for the guy who invented the ski mask. He just wanted to keep peoples faces warm while they ski, but people took his invention and used it 99% of the time for robberies. 😂

    I just see Marx as an idiot who invented a terrible tool.

    God this take is even more illiterate than the Black Book Baby Brigade's accusation that Marx personally killed at least 1000000000000000000005 people. Sure he wasn't a seer, but he wasn't a mere economic theorist either. He was a revolutionary, and he was a incisive observer of the social developments during his lifetime. All your Libertarian "theorists" were primarily concerned with creating ever more elaborate justifications for a system they were precluded from seriously examining but you read the Marx wiki article and your takeaway is "yeah he just didn't know what he was talking about" like good God you dullard read a fucking book.

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Maybe a 'political philosophy' that boils down to "I just want to be able to own everything including other people with no real restrictions besides capital" doesn't attract the best or the brightest individuals

      :curious-marx:

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        It hardly needs to, as political leadership contests don't select for intelligence.

        At the end of the day, the capitalist class has crushed the proletariat in no small part by being more brutish than the most bloodthirsty Gonzalite. We don't staff the military and the police academies with a handful of 60-year-old chess masters. We stuff it with a bunch of trigger-happy thumb-head 19-year-olds.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It's funny to see liberals/libertarians occasionally do to Marx what Lenin talked about in the first paragraph of State and Revolution. They're still doing it. They're defanging him and trying to make him this well-meaning doofus who just didn't understand what he was saying, didn't know what would happen with his works. He just wanted to write philosophy and have a utopia where people shared? Except, no, like you said Marx was a revolutionary. He was intimately involved with the First International, he was helping organize local revolutionary cadres and labor unions, he was writing policy outlines for communist parties throughout Europe. The guy meant what he wrote. The Communist Manifesto was written somewhat in response to the Paris revolts of 1848, a revolt which Marx believed didn't go far enough. He criticized the revolutionaries for failing to capture the state, which eventually neutered them.

      He wasn't just some naive utopian, Marx knew exactly what was gonna happen in a socialist revolution

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Imagine believing in Hell and not knowing that your entire ideology and lifestyle is exactly what's going to send you there

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      This person's idea of Hell is a throne room occupied by a 19th century aristocrat with a goth fetish.

      Marx has been to Hell, and its not in Grimdark Versailles. Its on the factory floor under a rush deadline at 2am, trying to scrape an extra few cents out of the machine that makes luxury dick-sucking devices for the guy sitting in Grimdark Versailles.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Karl Marx just wanted to make tons of money by selling a book that contained ideas all his supporters already believed but written in a fancy book.

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    1 year ago

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    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I've spent time with libertarians so I think I can kinda speak their language. They think Marx wrote an exact prescription for how humans are supposed to behave and live, like a rigid doctrine of morals you're supposed to uphold. They think he designed a utopian sim-city where there are specific grain harvests and specific numbers of people working the fields, but no one is allowed to have more money than anyone else. Also no distinction between anyone at all. Everyone has to wear the same clothes, which is a grey boiler suit. And if people simply disagree with being a part of this rigid standard, then it's moral to kill them and their family and anyone friends with them. Also to disagree can mean anything from refusing to work, to expressing a desire to own a business, or simply saying "I disagree." Boom, shot dead.

      Libertarians have never read a book outside of Ayn Rand.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        God imagine hearing some guys saying we could make everyone's lives totally equal, rolling your eyes and groaning, sitting up for multiple nights writing a long diatribe on why it's stupid, finding a publisher, paying them to print copies on a giant 19th century printing press, and telling everyone who will listen how fucking stupid that is, and 150 years later every dipshit is like "damn that's the guy who thinks everyone should be fully equal. Isn't that stupid?"

        :marx-joker:

      • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        In fairness, if my only experience of reading was Ayn Rand, I might have given up reading too.

    • MalarchoBidenism [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      "Everything should be equal in every way. If your neighbour has more stuff than you he's a bourgeois capitalist exploiter, and Big Government should redistribute his stuff to you." :marx:

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    • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      I'm the Greek bust on the left pogging at the fact he's sneaked into a skeleton convention unnoticed.

  • Cherufe [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The title is giving me big "Are we the baddies?" energy

  • CriticalResist8 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I 4k'd it if you want to stick a parental advisory sticker on it and print it as a poster: get2.imglarger.com:8889/results/vrXGWP1F_4x.jpg

  • ComradeSankara [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Holy shit folx I am twisting myself into a pretzel trying to figure out what the fuck this person is even beginning to try to think

    It's also important to remember that he was adamant that he himself was not a marxist. He was aware of the flaws in his ideology, he was simply correctly identifying flaws with the current system at his time and proposing solutions, solutions which he himself was willing to admit didn't work. Something no Marxist today will ever admit to.

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Marx, sitting at his couch: I'm gonna spend my life.coming up with bad ideas that I know won't work , :very-intelligent:

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      He wasn't adamant about not being a Marxist, he said it exactly one time and it was about a specific thing the French Workers' Party was doing. I really don't like how that one phrase has been twisted so much.

      The French Workers' Party were what we'd call ultra-leftists now. They refused to seriously attempt reform or have electoral gains. Marx helped them write a list of short term goals he thought were achievable through reformist, electoral means, and they were good policies. Things like reduction of the workday to 8 hours and a ban on child labor. The party however thought the platform was only useful in swaying the working class to instigate revolution, and the policies were impossible to implement otherwise.

      So Marx got sick of these people for refusing to at least try to do something, and the phrase was more like "If these people are Marxists, then I'm not one." And he said this in a private letter to Engels. It wasn't something he even said publicly.

      the rest of what that libertarian is saying just sounds like he heard the "i'm not a marxist" quote and then made up what he thought he meant in his head. "solutions which he himself was willing to admit didn't work." what the hell does that even mean? Marx sitting down and saying "Here's some impossible nonsense I'm writing for no reason lol"