No charges btw. A guy choked someone to death over 15 mins and the pigs were like "good for you"
Rhetoric from the right is causing people to straight up attack homeless people just for being homeless. We used to have state hospitals where these people could find a home and receive round-the-clock care for their mental illnesses.
I don't think this person was even mentally ill, just starving, thirsty and really angry about it. He didn't say anything that sounded unhinged; would any of us not have been that infuriated with what was happening to us if we were in his shoes?
Well, a lot of homeless are. And since we don't have state hospitals any more, we can't involuntarily commit them. Thanks a lot, ACLU, for suing to shut them down (because you can't put people away who didn't commit any crimes). Fucking liberals, I swear.
Like, how do you even claim self-defense in a situation like this?
"Yeah, I feared for my life because he was unconscious, who knows what sorts of dream demons he could conjure if I didn't finish the job?"
I'm posting a link to the article, because OP is a Lib who doesn't post sources; but there is no way in hell that a he can make a credible self-defense claim in this situation, certainly not in New York at any rate.
The 24-year-old passenger stepped in after the vagrant, identified by sources as Jordan Neely, 30, began going on an aggressive rant on a northbound F train Monday afternoon, according to police and a witness who took the video.
“He starts to make a speech,” freelance journalist Juan Alberto Vazquez said in Spanish during an interview Tuesday, referring to the disturbed man.
“He started screaming in an aggressive manner,” Vazquez told The Post. “He said he had no food, he had no drink, that he was tired and doesn’t care if he goes to jail. He started screaming all these things, took off his jacket, a black jacket that he had, and threw it on the ground.”
That’s when he said the straphanger came up behind Neely and took him to the ground in a chokehold — keeping him there for some 15 minutes, Vazquez said.
Of course the article itself buries the lead that this is not some random asshole passerby, who you could reasonably doubt wouldn't know that putting someone in a headlock for an extended period of time is absolutely lethal.
The straphanger — who sources said is a Marine veteran — was taken into custody and later released without charges. The investigation is ongoing and authorities were waiting on autopsy results before deciding whether to pursue charges against the younger man, sources said.
...Jesus Christ so the guy was just fucking talking to himself? Welcome to fucking public metro and encountering people not being given any mental health assistance, just mind your own business and maintain a self aware area around yourself. Americans are fucking piss pants in understanding that 9/10 people having a breakdown just want some fuckin' space. Fuck this guy hope he gets fucking charged.
Let's not engage in the same nonsense these libs do, this guy didn't need mental health support, he needed food and water. He wasn't mentally ill, he was in pain from hunger and thirst.
You’re not wrong but I also wanna note that “pain” from hunger, thirst, homelessness, etc. isn’t exclusive to physical pain. That shit is traumatizing and mental/emotional torture
Truth, at least a material base needs to be established to meet physical needs before further help can be given (basic Maslow's shit). Another case of America delende est in which if you become homeless you will likely be murdered by a random fellow citizen for being homeless.
Wait so he choked a guy to death bc he… was speaking loudly?
Vazquez said he had mixed feelings about the fatal encounter — particularly since he said Neely had not physically attacked anyone on the train before he was taken down.
“I think that in one sense it’s fine that citizens want to jump in and help. But I think as heroes we have to use moderation,” he said.
“This would never have happened if the police had shown up within five minutes,” he added. “Then we’d be talking about a true hero. It’s complicated.”
:wtf-am-i-reading:
Like, how do you even claim self-defense in a situation like this?
"This angry Black man made me fear for my life."
Pretty sure that should read, "unhinged man putting NYC subway passenger in deadly chokehold"
Pretty sure that should read, “An avid reader of ours murdered someone with their bare hands. 20% off if you subscribe today!“
For the safety of the general public anyone who sees this and doesn’t immediately go “oh this is murder” needs to be removed from society.
Those MMA Dana White freaks are always looking to use their skills on a black person so fast
Straight to the wall
As with the both the Eric Garner and George Floyd murders by thug cops, I have to respectfully ask of the onlookers: why did none of you pieces of shit intervene to stop the killing of an unarmed, innocent man - especially one who was compelled to issue a desperate plea for help in describing his condition?
So conditioned are we with fealty to the state, or more precisely stunted children who do as their told and absolutely never, ever ruffle any feathers, that we can’t imagine even acting in accordance with what is right, damn “the law” or what the mob is doing.
Corporate media either ridicules (RW) or ignores (mainstream liberal) the realities of the poor. And this is what we get: fearful little tough guys, living out their fantasies of killing the expendable poor and black who threaten their bourgeois consciousness.
yeah, when intervening gets you killed or prison time, i cant really blame them. but with this murder, its just one dude, not 4 cops. anyone on that train could have saved a life with little personal risk
Or at least an appreciation for the power of blunt, dense objects to leave an impression when you surprise a fascist with them
yeah, considering this guy was a 24 y/o ex-marine, he prob is very fit. we all gotta start lifting. then again, a 6 inch folding blade would also suffice
That’s bullshit.
Someone needed to speak up thusly, “yo, he’s going to die if you don’t stop choking him; does this person deserve to die because he’s having a mental breakdown?”
Which would totally change the feeling in the subway car, from thinking of the person being choked as a disturber of the peace inconveniencing and perhaps possibly scaring a few people, to a human being with mental health problems having a bad day but basically not going to harm anybody.
I mean, one person speaking up could have engendered the requisite feeling of compassion and empathy that situation should have taken.
And that poor guy would be alive today and (hopefully) getting treatment, while at the same time the crowd could have shamed and stopped the vigilante asshole for wanting to act out his fascist fantasy.
I imagine people who would want to intervene would be terrified that the mob would immediately turn on them. The planetary average person is 5'6", 38 years old, and weighs 137 pounds. Fighting is hard, both physically and especially psychologically. Most people have trouble making phone calls. Exploding in to lethal violence in an unclear situation is several orders of magnitude harder than that, and as good as impossible if you have no experience with combat.
I've intervened in some pretty terrifying situations. I weigh literally twice as much as the average person and I'm almost a foot taller than them. And I absolutely understand why the average person does not throw themselves in to situations like this.
There were four cops with guns sitting on Mr. Floyd, and more cops hanging around. Many of the witnesses were black women, some were minors. The corner they were on has seen more than one police killing. The Minneapolis Police Department was and is widely despised and notorious for violence. Peopkle were screaming at them to stop. If anyone had tried to intervene physically they would have, at best, been beaten. At worst shot.
he did come dangerously close to being arrested for impersonating a police officer though
I mean, I do wonder about that. I have choked people out/been chocked out several times. None of us died. How overboard are there people going with it?
A good choke has you out in 30 seconds. If it took 3 minutes he didn't choke him out. He crushed his trachea and it took him that long to asphyxiate. That was a strangulation.
I've seen people quoting this article as stating the murderer kept him in the hold for 15 minutes.
As a person that had done that kinda violence that is unimaginable to me
Wow so murdering the less fortunate is apporved by the media
Table stakes for the NYPost.
I'm just waiting for the "Who would Jesus Strangle?" WaPo Op-Ed.
I didn't read it was 15 minutes. Imagine after five minutes not letting go. I have never held one for even a full a minute and I have used it as a bouncer. I can't imagine holding one for 15. After 4 you start getting brain damage. At ten you would expect it to be fatal.
I can't imagine the crazy monster shit going through that guy's head as he just kept on not letting go. Goddamn
its an indictment of society that no one on the train gave this blond-broccoli-headed, capri-wearing fuck a few kicks to the head. could have saved a life and make fascists think twice when doing this shit in broad daylight
Kicking a homed person in the head while he murders a homeless person is assault.
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