Gringo (/ˈɡrɪŋɡoʊ/, Spanish: [ˈɡɾiŋɡo], Portuguese: [ˈɡɾĩɡu]) (masculine) (or gringa (feminine))
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40% of latino voters saying latinx bothers them is way less than I expected. Stuff like Latinx or Latine or Latino@ flow terribly in our languages and redditors are always complaining about it.
I'm just saying. The left wing in Brazil decided to call Dilma 'presidenta' as opposed to 'presidente' (both forms would be gramatically correct, but for an older person presidenta sounds strange, almost mocking towards the person), and after 10 years it will still trigger right wingers. So I expected way more than 40% people to claim that they are annoyed by it, especially in the US. Just shows that culture war is bunk and relies entirely on constant propaganda.
One thing I'll never get though is why english speakers don't just use 'latin'.
idk. i just remember reading something about a style guide from major news places in cuba and argentina and they included it. thought it was neat. brazil im sure is different :bolso-pain:
I'd have to become more familiar with news publications and everyday usage in Argentina and Cuba. The best I can do is remember how the family code was passed via a democratic dialogue across the island, as opposed to a more top down disposition - which is what I expect from Argentina.
Brazil could have the same style guides in it, but I'd expect minimal purchase amongst the population as it (like everything else) would be a top down political project. Besides, odds are the vast majority of the population wouldn't even know about it. By sheer inertia gender neutrality is baked into the context of speech, the masculine being generally used, and if someone even knows about 'Latinx' or 'Latine' odds are they are online and a redditor (and have very strong opinions about it, both for and against). Of course, the advantage goes to the house, as in the people who don't want something changed.
At most what would happen is if the school system started using -e as gender neutral as opposed to o(a) and a(o) for it's forms and then the kids would assimilate it. But that's 2 generations of work.
I've thought about it and this is my stupid uneducated opinion: the way it's going, I think it will be introduced to everyday vernaculars on a word-by-word basis, specifically, I think gender-neutral words that address crowds in some way will become normalized first (e.g. compañeres, amigues, etc). Obviously reactionaries will always protest this, but consider that there's also pushback against prescriptivism. Institutional pushback against prescriptivism even. Despite AMLO being kind of tepid in these aspects, the official textbooks for elementary school children specifically goes against prescriptivism. As in, they don't state "using word is wrong" and "using word is right". Exciting stuff is being cooked in Mexico and the rest of latinamerica, language-wise.
Hell, I use 'they' all the time in English because I'm just lazy. That's how gender neutrality wins.
One thing I’ll never get though is why english speakers don’t just use ‘latin’.
This is what I use! I was reading something aloud the first time I ever saw Latinx and just figured it was an extra char/typo and just read it Latin. Which is how I choose to read and pronounce it. Not like anyone would be confused, though weirdly it's the only second language I learned in middle/high school.
Latin is a language. It means an entirely different thing than latino
Latin is also a designation based on geographic and cultural concerns and, therefore, seems to me a much more obvious path towards gender neutrality than Latinx. At least for english. Politically better too. What are they gonna say? 'You're only latin if you're from the latium region of italy, otherwise you're sparkling andalucían?'
Most people in Guatemala aren't even aware Latinx exists unless they're big into Anglo media or studied abroad.
Yeah, it's definitely more of a gringo thing atm. South and central america aren't that connected, internet and otherwise, to the imperial core.
I think you and I are the only ones on this entire site lol
it works in english
It really doesn't work in any language I know of. Are you supposed to say "Latin ecks?" Because that's way more awkward and difficult to fit into a sentence than Latino or Latina
in portuguese we'd end saying 'la-ch*nks', which would be the new n-word misunderstanding meme i guess
Seems our slur-filter is multilingual, so you might wanna edit your comment to avoid losing the meaning.
I am queer and latina and i know a lot of Latino people who use latinx and latine. They are nonbinary so they use it for their own self identification
Latinx is dumb and the user appears to be doing brownface in making the meme, but the new "conservative culture war 'context note'" arc is incredibly annoying. Unsurprisingly Republicans are annoying in most of the ways they accuse Democrats of when they gain sufficient control of a space
I don't understand fucking gendering words like just why
Most languages are gendered, it's weird that English isn't. German certainly is, and that's what English descended from.
Chinese characters are horribly sexist once you start understanding the etymology. The character for "traitor" is invade next to woman, and it just gets worse from there. They should have stuck to the "eliminate characters in favor of pure pinyin" movement, but unfortunately didn't.
Most languages are gendered
Assuming you're talking about grammatical gender (not semantic gender, as in Modern English): most Indo-European languages are gendered, but those are a tiny portion of the world's languages. As far as I know, on a language-by-language basis (i.e. not considering the number of speakers) it's about as common for grammatical gender to be absent rather than present. This is true of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese (all from distinct language families) as well as the Turkic languages and some Indo-Aryan languages (e.g. Bengali and Persian), to name a few.
I don't care what most languages do the whole thing is stupid and should just be ignored :shrug-outta-hecks:
I both agree and disagree. From a progressive perspective and a language learning perspective, pinyin is the right move. From a cultural perspective, however, so much is lost through the elimination of the characters.
Most languages are gendered, it’s weird that English isn’t. German certainly is, and that’s what English descended from.
That's completely untrue. The majority of language are gender neutral. What happened is that the languages of most imperialists (Indo-Europeans languages) have grammatical gender. And it's strictly untrue that English doesn't have grammatical gender. It absolutely does. That's why pronoun discourse is even a thing. If English was truly non-gendered, everyone would just have they/their pronouns.
They should have stuck to the “eliminate characters in favor of pure pinyin” movement, but unfortunately didn’t.
An absolutely terrible idea since Chinese characters paper over differences within Chinese varieties. If you write stuff in pinyin, you're pretty much forcing everyone to learn standard Mandarin because pinyin is designed exclusively for Mandarin. Cantonese has their own romanization. Hokkien does as well. And so do many Chinese varieties. But since they all share a common origin of Middle Chinese, they share the same Middle Chinese cognate which means they share the same corresponding Chinese character.
Depending on what variety you speak, Hong Kong can be Xiānggǎng, hoeng1 gong2, hiang1 kong2, Hiông-kóng, hiong1 guong3, Hióng-gǒ̤ng, Hiŏng-gē̤ng, Hiong-káng, hiang1 gang2, or xian-kaan. But every variety agrees on the same Chinese characters 香港.
I'm losing my shit at that thread, like (presumably latinos) are swearing they'd rather be called slurs that imply they're inferior to white men and/or some sort of underclass than latinx. I know this is bog standard for the so-called "niño rata", nevertheless, wow. They're like pick-me girls if girls were a race. I don't even know what that means.
They’re like pick-me girls if girls were a race.
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I found ET after his chapo appearance and he's been great fun. This was some top-tier bait, and he kept people going in the replies, too.
He's also just a very good political columnist in general, which is insane for an unsalaried teenager. I wish I had disposable income to actually pay for his Substack, since just his free pieces are incredibly insightful, and "The Modern Electoral History of Transphobia" is basically required reading for understanding modern anti-trans ideology and strategy.
I am latina and I know tons of queer and nonbinary Spanish speakers people who use latinx
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