Something something dangerous, something something fatal
Everyone knows the first thing that will happen in case of a war is a suspeciously Tomahawk shaped Chinese cruise missile will just happen miss the US navy ships some 100km away on the other side of the island and unfortunately just happen to land right on top of TSMC.
:picard-annoyed: "Why would China do this?".
You'll be called batshit insane for suggesting the US was responsible. Entire documentaries will be rushed onto Netflix insisting anyone blaming the US for blowing up TSMC is crazy.
Then, 30 years later, the CIA will declassify documents about "Operation Chip Nuke" and all the libs will call you a Whataboutist when you bring them up in opposition to the impending war against the Greater Iranian Caliphate.
The same people that ran cover for the US will still have their columns, media gigs, and will be treated like experts.
:youre-awful:
it would suck for the whole world, including China because as of right now, China's chips are behind what TSMC makes.
These fabs are probably difficult to operate without the usual staff since they are so specialized
Just think about the supply chain issues we had last year and in 2021 and then multiply that by 1000.
Nah, that's background noise. Been there, done that, everybody will be slightly better prepared for Chip Shortage 2, TSMC Boogaloo.
iPhones/iPads processors are produced there, and those are bleeding edge. The implication is that iPhones/iPads will not only have minimum 2 years of shortages, but it could be up to 5-10 years before a new iPhone has a better CPU than an old one.
They build them in this hellhole because it's geologically stable and the weather is very stable, so the barometric pressure doesn't change quickly or often. In the context of semiconductor manufacturing, changes in barometric pressure effect the refractive index of the air, which changes the angles lasers travel in when transitioning between different transmittance media (glass lens to air, air to mirror, etc) which has a huge effect on where they land when you're measuring in nanometers.
Intel built a water recycling plant in partnership with SRP (local power and water utility) which lets them put the vast majority of the water they use back into the ground. Hopefully TSMC will do the same.
Nice to know there is another
FBI AgentHexbear in this hellhole, though. I hope you can get out soon.
Yea why didn't they go with Mississippi or something? Labor would be cheaper there no? It would also help their tax revenue prolly.
I think the US bombing TSMC is a legitimate potential cause toward the ultimate end of civilization… not to be too dramatic.
A missile strike on a Chinese building in Chinese territory? Yeah you're damn right that's going to be an event that takes us closer to the brink than we've ever been, probably over it.
They blew up a pipeline the entirety of German Industry desperately needed. They will go there.
Even better, they bought $8 billion worth of F35s from the US a couple months later.
The Amerikkkans are actively pillaging Europe with this conflict and all they can do in response is help bag the cash for them
However, we should remember that China’s motives should not be measured against business rationality. Instead, its policies may be colored by a leader seeking glory, destiny, a legacy, and so on.
Yes, it's the Chinese who are acting irrationally on the world stage
If only there was some way to understand what they want, perhaps updated every five years
That is so funny. And everyone will still see America as a defender of democracy, even when the US clearly states that all that we care about is hurting China no matter what. We would nuke Taiwan if we believed that it gave us even a small advantage.
hmm, serious question, would the air defenses we gave Taiwan target American planes?
IIRC, the F-35s can be remotely disabled by the US. The rest would probably work, yes.
the F-35s can be remotely disabled by the US
Doing them a favor honestly
I feel like US bombing tech is comparatively superior to US AD tech, so I think the factories still get blown up.
That's how it was in the Cold War, at least. The US had good aircraft but their air defense platforms were shit because they were operating under the premise that they would always have air superiority.
No. Not without changing all the radar systems. This was why Turkey got Chinese radars.
Taiwan looking at Ukraine and thinking "No, thank you!"
The US being so rabid that it accidentally pushes Taiwan and China back together would be very funny. I wonder what the odds are that China would be willing to do some extended version of the Hong Kong deal with Taiwan, special status with a slower rollout.
Taiwanese people can't be given the hope of being welcomed as Europeans / white. And the US pushing for war in Taiwan while building up their own chip manufactories means only one thing, they want to sacrifice Taiwan to hurt China.
I fully believe that the US would blow up its client state's vital national industries to deny them to China, but it's interesting that Taiwan apparantly feels they have enough sovereignty in the relationship to say they wouldn't let that happen.
Sometimes it's said that the PRC is playing the "long game" with Taiwan, and it would be extremely funny if the long game turned out to be waiting for Taiwan and America's relationship to self-immolate on its own.
it would be extremely funny if the long game turned out to be waiting for Taiwan and America’s relationship to self-immolate on its own
America's already pushing weapons systems on Taiwan that won't help them in the slightest and cost a fortune, while demanding the draft be expanded.
I fully believe that the US would blow up its client state’s vital national industries to deny them to China
Look no further than the Nordstream pipeline bombing
this rhetoric is so weak
they should be bleating about planting manchurian candidates in the AZ facility staff or sabotaging intel fabs
wtf is the US gonna do about it, bomb them?
It wouldn't surprise me if the ROC has state-sponsored corporate espionage going in the chip industry that the US is aware of and tolerates. It's such a vital thing for them nationally it would honestly be political malfeasance not to do it.
gotta get that lose/lose proposition out in the open since it's the only thing that can get through the USG's self-imposed cognito-shield undistorted
wtf is the US gonna do about it, bomb them
Yeah, the US would never bomb minorities on US soil .
I can not believe that the people of Taiwan do not want the US to feed them into a meat grinder like they did the people of Ukraine!
Why does Taiwan hate democracy and freedom?!
However, we should remember that China’s motives should not be measured against business rationality. Instead, its policies may be colored by a leader seeking glory, destiny, a legacy, and so on.
:very-smart:
China simultaneously does not have any rational aims, yet at the same time it is scheming for world domination :parenti:
a leader seeking glory, destiny, a legacy, and so on
MFers will say this out of one side of their mouth and then go back to talking about whatever US president doing legacy building in office with no shame
"We will blow you up" is surely a good way to make every single worker at TSMC anti-US.
Beijing and Taipei's geostrategic interest are completely aligned regarding construction of chip manufacturing in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were cooperation (covertly) concerning undermining the US narrowly on this issue
There's a cool spy plot here about a Mainland and Taiwan spy teaming up to destroy US foundaries. Maybe if we don't get WW3 out of this, we'll get to read a book or movie like that
Even worse Tom's Hardware censored the comments on the article.
https://archive.is/8fR09#xenforo-comments-3806718 then vs. the article now has 0, link to the forum view of the thread, which hopefully gives no page views: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/taiwan-will-defend-tsmc-from-us-bombing-in-the-event-of-a-china-war.3806718/
