Help, Kuvira stole my egg monopoly. Prince Wu, please Balkanize the Empire and liberate the oppressed Yi province.
Kuvira fanclub thread.
The lady who had internment camps for racial minorities in the Earth Empire ?
The lady who served as a reaction movement to the Red Lotus efforts to establish a people’s government after assassinating the tyrant Hou Ting?
Kuvira wasn’t Mao she was a clumsy Hitler analogy
Kuvira wasn’t Mao she was a clumsy Hitler analogy
I think she was a luckier and more competent version of Chiang.
Kuvira wasn’t Mao she was a clumsy Hitler analogy
I don't think that's right.
I stand by her being an analogue for nationalist liberation leaders in the third world like Nasser, Mugabe or Gaddafi.
That said, for the libs who made the show third world nationalists, Nazis and commies are all the same thing: totalitarians.
IIRC the camps were for "dissidents" not "racial minorities."
Also empire is maybe what they called it, but who exactly were the colonizing? The settler colony state set up on their previously colonized land, which was actively attempting to plant a puppet monarch in their country ( I think even in concert with the nation that originally did that colonization, but it's been a while, can't remember for sure if the fire nation was involved in the puppet king plot)?
The lady who served as a reaction movement to the Red Lotus efforts to establish a people’s government after assassinating the tyrant Hou Ting?
The Earth Queen got what she deserved but when you say "people's government" surely you don't mean all the bandits preying on villagers when the Earth Kingdom was balkanized and leaderless?
We've talked about this topic before in Hexbear, and I stand by what I originally said: Kuvira is a Mao analog, and an analog for bourgeois nationalists in a third world country, and ALSO a Hitler analog, because the writers are such turbolibs that they see "Colonized people militantly opposing their exploitation" and "Nazis" as the same thing basically "totalitarian."
IIRC the camps were for “dissidents” not “racial minorities.”
They showed a firebender and a waterbender who escaped form the camps and they explicitly said they were targeting everyone not of Earth Kingdom origin.
Looks like you're right, it's been a few years since I watched it. I will say that I still think she's several analogies mixed together though.
Yeah, I think so. Chiang mixed with Hitler and maybe some shades of an American caricature of Mao.
They showed a
firebender and a waterbenderRhodesian who escaped form the camps and they explicitly said they were targeting everyone not ofEarth KingdomZimbabwean originEdit: thinking about it more, doesn't quite fit cuz waterbender. But most of the fire nation folks in Earth Kingdom were settlers
But most of the fire nation folks in Earth Kingdom were settlers
I mean, we also see a lot of mixed families. I don't want to sound like I'm pulling out calipers, but the Firebender could be more analogous to a mestizo than a Rhodesian.
This. The comics make it clear that a HUGE amount of intermarrying and culture mixing went on to the point that it was common for the same family to have both earth bender and fire bender kids.
Hell there is an assignation attempt on Zuko by an earth bender for his support of returning the colonies to the earth kingdom. They go out of their way to make it clear this isn’t an Israel-Palestine/ Rhodesian/Zimbabwe situation as much as it is the equivalent of the anglos and the Norman’s becoming a unified English identity (with all the hierarchy and messiness that came from that as well)
common for the same family to have both earth bender and fire bender kids.
See: Two of the main characters of LoK
Such populations are targets cooptation by unscrupulous imperialist. Look at the US military's cooptation of the Hmong in SEA. Those that are radicalized against Earth reunification, in service of the imperialists, can't just be allowed to freely work to overthrow the reunified Earth Kingdom.
This has obvious real life parallels. In Vietnam, and more so in Laos, this led to actions against Hmong that were quite bad, and not always justified, but happened for reasons. This doesn't mean we reject the Vietnamese or the Laotian anti-imperialist struggles.
Tbf Libs think Mao/Stalin did the same by sending tibetans and ukrainians into gulags
Yeah but in the show they explicitly said that they did, and showed people who escaped from the internment camps
The red lotus were 8 people who tried to genocide the air nation and torture an 18 year old girl to death. That happened on screen, Kuvira's supposed internment camps did not. when Korra heard about that, did she fly away find the camps and bomb the railroads to them, or did she run to defend the property of Zaofu clique and the UR capitalists?
That happened on screen, Kuvira’s supposed internment camps did not.
Supposed lmao okay 👌
FDR and Stalin both had internment camps. that doesn't mean your analysis can start and end at "They were fascists". China doesn't have racial internment camps, but that doesn't stop every single western press outlet from endlessly reporting that they're conducting the largest genocide since the holocaust.
FDR and Stalin both had internment camps.
Thats not a good thing.
China doesn’t have racial internment camps
Yes I know, but Kuvira did is the difference lol
when Korra heard about that, did she fly away find the camps and bomb the railroads to them, or did she run to defend the property of Zaofu clique and the UR capitalists?
Yeah it’s a fight between liberals and fascists, of course the liberal response fucking sucks
Kuvira is literally a fascist and she’s the only villain in the show painted in a sympathetic light
On the other hand Zaheer did nothing wrong
God I fucking hated that show it’s so infuriating, and ATLA is so good
still not a fascist, so jot that down.
list of things Zaheer did:
Sentences henchman to eternal spiritual torture for getting caught.
Kills the monarch, says the natural order is disorder, refuses to elaborate. leaves.
his revolution of 8 people (one of them now comatose while his soul is tortured for eternity) doesn't lead to communism. rather, it's seen an open invitation by bandits, warlords, the UR and the Fire nation to plunder the Earth kingdom, and most places seem to be teetering on starvation when the show resumes in book 4.
tortures 18 year old girl to end the avatar cycle.
to acquire said 18 year old, he threatens to genocide the air nation, including children and infants.
Hot take: everyone in the comments is just over analyzing these characters and the reason they are all over the place is because the writing was all over the place.
it’s the Janeway problem.
It had like 4 months of writing stop giving it credit for its bad decisions lol
God this show was way too pretty for how stupid it was, especially after ATLA managed to have a pretty pretty coherent message...
…Wait a second, why didn’t they just do that? It makes sense if you think about it: the Kyoshi warriors are just a mirror of the Dai Li, the Kyoshi islands are the first place an avatar intervened in to stop Earth Kingdom Unification (she literally killed Chin aka the mythic founder of China) and them along with the cultural appropriating fake air nomads (not counting the new air monks) would have loved to join the United Republic. I have a lot of problems with Lok but now that I’m thinking about it, this has to be up there with them not having an overarching plot beyond ideologies are bad.
My guess? For shipping reasons. That or they forgot about her.
I’m not even kidding she isn’t on the team avatar grown up poster, and Sokka and Toph not having confirmed SO’s feels like blatant pandering to the Toph/sokka shippers.
Then again they always tested Sukki like a minor character when she’s clearly a main by the end.
Garbage Avatar world building: There are four Asian nations that correspond to the ancient Greek theory of elements!
Superior Avatar world building: Death to Amerikkka, long live the indigenous space cats!
Akshually turning the Earth Empire into a bazillion libdem republics is improvement, now they can be neo-colonized by Fire Nation and United Republic Capitalist without the avatar having to feel bad.
Looking through the comments, even if it was meant to be partly anti-communist propaganda (think she was pretty unambiguously fash), why would you start making up your own headcanon about how the camps weren't actually real and everything this cartoon villain did was justified?
Just say it is a lib hack job ffs. Which is essentially all the politics in Korra.
What is next, people waxing poetic about fuckin Napoleon from Animal Farm?
i've expropriated this reading (viewing?) from a friend, but i choose to interpret korra as told from the perspective of the horribly biased, liberal, privileged, etc, MC and their propaganda
so i like this reading
kuvira is mao as viewed through a propaganda inundated liberal lens (as are all the other villains of various ideologies), and we cannot trust anything most of our characters say bc they are poisoned by ideology (and also like 90% of them are rich and/or politicians)
this is ofc because the show was written by liberals, but death of the author means i can interpret the show's end-of-history-liberal-utopia as a dystopia :cool-dad:
