Imagine not realizing that anti-imperialism is inherently anti-USA
Just because the US
-Has the largest military budget on planet Earth, literally about 39% of the GLOBAL military budget
-Has been at war for roughly 90% of its existence
-Has only been attacked on its own soil twice in the last 150 years
That doesn't make it an imperialist power, those wars were to...uh...defend
western hegimony industrial interestsfreedomBut something something axis of evil rules based order human rights leader of democracy!
They've been brigading the shit out of the Deprogram subreddit. I have been sent multiple death threats and mass reported with those
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messages
They're kids, that's why. It's probably summer break for them soon
From what I understand there's a good chance that at least some of them are a NATO influence operation. The usual suspicious behavior - Lots of coordination of accounts, messaging, shit like that. Could just be a big discord or something, though, but even then, could be a big discord with some NATO spooks providing some portion of the content.
I love living in the future where "fascist shibes advocating for heckin imperial wars of domination" is a thing.
I'm trying to find specifics
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1226966585786732546
The Center for New Liberalism, parent organization of the Neoliberal Project (which is the root of the subreddit), openly "partners" with the conservative "Progressive Policy Institute", which almost looks as though it has done a corporate acquisition of the CNL
https://www.progressivepolicy.org/project/the-center-for-new-liberalism/
Using Open Secrets, we can see some of their members, which represent a wide array of corporate interests:
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/search_result.php?priv=Progressive+Policy+Institute
They take money from Exxon Mobile:
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/06/exxon-mobil-progressive-policy-institute-climate/
And you can find a bunch more details here:
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/progressive-policy-institute/
I personally think that merely giving lipservice to progressive policy (or even easier, criticizing Republican-aligned reactionary policy) means very little, but it provides a list of donors and also mentions this:
Criticism of EU Antitrust Legislation and the Federal Trade Commission
The Progressive Policy Institute has been critical of Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and European Union (EU) antitrust regulators for blocking gene-sequencing company Illumina from acquiring the cancer-diagnostic developer Grail.
The institute objected to the EU’s move to prevent the merger of two American companies, referring to its decision as “regulatory imperialism.”
The institute was also critical of the FTC, claiming that Illumina’s commitment not to raise the price of services provided by Grail and the potential to advance cancer detection technology beyond what Grail could do independently warranted the merger.
They promised, guys! No way would a medical monopoly in America scam anyone!
Yeah r/trueanon was lousy with these losers for a couple of weeks but I think the mods crackdown mostly worked
Also they've all but taken over r/antiwar with this nafo bullshit
Lib :reddit-logo: love using the
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As a form of harassment if you say anything against their narrative.
Whats more, parts of reddit were basically designed to foster this kind of antisocial behavior
Has anyone ever responded to an internet death threat by going to the threatener's house and kicking their ass?
Ugh. The suicide hotline thing is annoying. Like thanks, :reddit-logo:, you banned saying "KYS" then added a "KYS" button. A great win for civility.
More like lurkers than anything. I haven't seen them doing all that much whenever I stop in there.
Wait, let's hear them out. Maybe the US should control the world but in, like, an anti-imperialist way. After all, those savages out there need somebody
whitecivilized to govern them. It's a solemn burden that we must bear, and it just so happens to mean that we take everything from you and cover you in our toxic garbageYeah I hate America.
I hate the empire.
America bad.
America is bad.
I fucking hate the word imperialism being so easy to conflate with empire.
Even if that was correct, which it isn't obviously, sometimes I just want to say, you know what fuck you yeah that's right being anti-America is just a basic moral duty of every human on this planet.
I realy just want to say to these fucks, yes who cares? We want to destroy American so what? Are you 12 and just learned about this today? Don't tell me you also just learned 2/3 of the planet hates your guts too.
Cry me a river, deal with it or whatever you'd say in 2012.
One of the things I noticed from Hasan reacting/commenting about twitter these days is exactly this shit, some obviously deranged right winger/chud suddenly pearl clutching some liberal values shit as if nobody notices it.
They need to spend some decades in a prison in Siberia before even being allowed to talk about ideological hypocrisy lol.
Don’t tell me you also just learned 2/3 of the planet hates your guts too.
Well they don't know that, or if they do they don't believe it, or handwave it with various excuses.
Uh someone draw me the Venm diagram between anti-imperialism and anti-America
I think a lot of people with limited political education conflate the liberal definition of imperialism (something a state does to other peer states) with the Leninist definition, which is the economic world order of late stage capitalism where the hegemonic rulers of the world have divided the world up into domains of economic ownership and domination via hard and soft methods (military intervention, foreign backed death squads, economic subservience of foreign national bourgeoisie, international banks and economic appendages of capital that subordinate foreign economies to the demands of Western capital, etc etc).
America in the 21st century is unequivocally the seat of world hegemonic capitalist power. The richest and most powerful capitalists in the world control the most powerful military in the world and the most prolific international financial engine in the world all right here in the US. To be against this international capitalist order is to be against the American state, among other things.
In America, being anti-American is being a damn sight better than any Discourse allowed on the TV, radio, or polite conversation, so it's not a very impressive insult either.
I'd go for Nazi-Abetting FO there, because keeping "Atlantic" between "Nazi" and "Fascist" is weird. You could also just do "Atlanticist," which would be a little contradictory with the "national" part of "Nazi" but w/e.
A Marxist understanding of capitalism leads to anti-imperialism. Anti-imperialism is understood by detractors as a simple rhetorical dressing over simplistic heuristics like “reflexive anti-americanism,” “history repeats itself,” and “the military-industrial complex needs contracts,” but all of these are reductive. Marxists understand that human political leadership in the imperial periphery, whether enlightened or tyrannical, will only be antagonized by empire for one single possible reason: it is getting in the way of market penetration. This is phrased succinctly by Kevin Dooley when criticizing Noam Chomsky’s support for a military alliance between the Kurds and the USA in Syria: “The difference between [Chomsky’s] position and a hard-line anti-imperialist position isn’t tactical. What he’s arguing is simply a violation of anti-imperialist principles based on a fundamentally different understanding of what can drive the empire to act in the world.” [16]
The accusation that anti-imperialists are unconcerned with human rights deserves a sharp rebuke. The USA was born of slavery and genocide, dropped atomic bombs as a matter of political brinkmanship, imported Nazi scientists and installed war criminals like Klaus Barbie and Nobusuke Kishi around the world to defend and advance anti-communist positions [17], and enthusiastically supports gruesome butcherers today. Simply put, Capital has destroyed innumerable countries and murdered hundreds of millions directly and indirectly. It is precisely a concern for the rights of humans that should make one immediately skeptical of any humanitarian posturing by Capital. Anti-imperialism not only means support for the important pro-social projects of states like Cuba, Vietnam, and China; it also means critical support for non-socialist states such as Iran and Russia. Critical support acknowledges that, though instituting various indefensible policies, enemies of empire are not being antagonized because of said policies. The only thing that can drive empire to act in the world is capital accumulation.
from https://redsails.org/why-marxism/
Being anti-American will get you to the correct anti-imperialist position like 90% of the time. Those are great odds.
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I wont say 100% but I think yer percentage is kinda low. I'm really struggling here to find one single way America is anti imperialist.
The only thing would maybe be the revolutionary war where America showed the world that it was possible to stand up to the old empires.
After that they just became the new empire though.
The revolutionary war was just the genocidal slaver class in the colonies deciding not to share their blood money with the homeland anymore. Outside from uprisings that didn't lead to independence, :louverture-shining: was the first actual case of a colony standing up to the old empires.
Again, very critical support on that. Definitely agree that everything that followed America's revolution was better. The fact that it happened though gave a lot of ideas and vision to other revolutionary movements at the time.
Kinda the "make the emperor bleed" situation.
You won't find a case where Amerika is ever anti-imperialist, but there's other imperialist actors like France or the UK.
I'm anti-american. My political engagement started with fucking hating republicans and will always involve fucking hating republicans
