Uh…fries? Burger? Coke? America-style pizza? These became worldwide sensations for a reason. There is not a place on earth you can go that won’t have these things. Whereas your gellied eels or whatever remains a dark secret only eaten in the town of Worthmonpoofshire.
But you're not, and I don't think this was really addressed. Did people invite the McDonald's corporation into their countries? No. Burgers are nice, and food tends to spread with regional variations, but to ignore the fact that America is the global hegemon is a bit silly.
No, I commented that it’s both. Food has to be good and there has to be a force pushing it (capitalism). This was in response to someone saying Filipino food isn’t good, proven by the fact that it’s not popular, which is a framing I disagree with.
Like, don’t forget the overall point of the thread (not the entire post), which was British people getting salty when Amerikans say their food is bad. That’s the context - why British food, despite Britain being as much of a cultural juggernaut as America for a lot longer, hasn’t achieved the level of penetration that American food did. Both capitalist, imperialist, colonialist. Only one who’s food is everywhere. Why? Because the food is actually good.
American food may be nicer than what you consider to be British food - though at this point, I'm not entirely sure what you think either of those are, exactly - but overall, taste is irrelevant; people will buy what they are sold, and if they are sold nothing but inoffensive yankee slop, they will eat nothing but inoffensive yankee slop. That's how this works - you use hegemonic power to eliminate competition in other markets. I still think you're overestimating the quality of American food.
Yeah, I’m not gonna argue further. If you think the only reason burgers are popular is because America threatens the world to eat them at gunpoint, then sure.
That just goes to show how disgusting British food is because despite having a global empire where the sun never sets, even the most brainwashed mentally colonized colonial subject didn't want to eat that shit. There's a reason why baguettes are a part of Vietnamese cuisine. There's a reason why food of Turkish origins still exist in the Balkans to the point where there isn't a whole lot separating Turkish cuisine from Balkan cuisine.
Yet absolutely no former British colony has jellied eels as part of their national cuisine, not even the Anglo settler colonies like the US or Australia. I wonder why that is.
Nope. American-style pizza (and even pasta though to a much lesser extent) is the dominant form of the food consumed worldwide. This is not the case with traditional diaspora food like curry where, if you go anywhere in the world and ask for it, they’ll give you Indian food or SE Asian food, and not whatever Bri’ish monstrosity you have frankensteined into existence.
Also see this comment - https://hexbear.net/post/271950/comment/3521529
In the end, look, the Bri’ish have given us a lot. Like, your literature is amazing in its depth compared to American. But you can’t have everything. You’re just not that good at food, mate.
For what it's worth, the one time I was in London I found British food to be not at all like its reputation. I liked all the game meats. I've had British breakfast in Hong Kong and it's...OK. Gimme the full American any day, though.
Here's how to know if a food is good or not: ask this simple question: is it served outside of its home area? If the answer is yes, it's good food. If you can only find it in a single city or region, it's probably edible but not excellent. If it's available worldwide, it's a home run. You can find Thai food just about everywhere these days. People like it.
Ever seen a Filipino food restaurant? I haven't. Not saying they don't exist outside The Philippines, but I just haven't seen one. I've had home-cooked Filipino food though and...it's just not that great. I mean, it's edible. It gets you full, it accomplishes the goal of a meal. But I just wasn't impressed. The adobo was probably the best dish and that was just stewed beef. You know what probably the most famous Filipino restaurant is, both at home and abroad? Jollibee's. Which serves...American-style fast food.
I felt the same way about Æthiop food. Served on the pancake, eat with your hands? It was edible but I wouldn't have it again.
Never had Filipino so can’t comment. But I’ll add that it’s also a matter of capitalism. American food became dominant because A) It’s tasty, and B) There was a lot of money to be made by selling it everywhere.
The second point isn’t available to a lot of cultures who have incredible food but just aren’t considered “marketable”. This, by the way, is even true or really popular cuisines like Chinese and Indian, where if you go there and explore, you see so much more variety than you ever could in the US.
But this is not true when it comes cuisine from the Bri’ish because they’ve had centuries to make their food popular and they couldn’t.
I take it you’ve had all the cuisines in the world?
That's a really uncharitable way to repeat my comment back to me. Even when you have it home-cooked, which is always the best way to experience a cuisine, it's just not that great. It's not a surprise that it hasn't caught on outside its home area.
Even inside a country, you can use this rule. It's why you can find Texas-style BBQ in Carolina but not Carolina-style BBQ in Texas.
This just isn't true. I'm not gonna come out and say "it's the only bbq", but I'm not from either Carolina nor the south in general and the vinegar/mustard based bbq sauce is the most common one here.
Texas style? You mean that dry ass bbq without any sauce? Fucking trash man. Also tf you mean you can't find Carolina style? The mustardy bbq sauce is a available everywhere in the US and you invalidate every "point" you were trying to make.
If your barbecue needs sauce, you're doing it wrong. It should be bursting with moisture and be able to be cut with a spoon. You will find sauce at a Texas BBQ restaurant, though it is placed on the table as an option should patrons desire. I would advise using a bit just to see what it's like, but you'll probably agree the barbecue is better without it.
We were talking about restaurants, not finding a specialty sauce in the grocery store. There are Texas BBQ restaurants in China. How many Carolina BBQ restaurants are there outside of the Carolinas?
"Bbq cooked well is better"
Yeah no shit if you cook the meat well it tastes better.
Carolina bbq cooked like shit is shit. Who would have thought.
Idrc if texan bbq is popular in China. There is a reason people always compare Texas, Memphis, and Carolina BBQ. Those are the 3 regional types that are very famous and regarded as good.
Also if you look at another comment of mine you'll see that I'm not from either Carolina or the south in general and "Carolina style" (vinegar/mustard based sauces) are the most popular types of BBQ here.
Texas is one of the largest must famous US states. Of course BBQ places in China will say that shit lol.
Texas is known for two things cowboy hats and hot air
Edit: sorry if this seems meandering poor thought our garbage. I'm day drinking with my siblings lol
That's not what I said; I said if it's properly done you won't need a sauce. You won't miss it at all.
There is a reason people always compare Texas, Memphis, and Carolina BBQ.
OK, I'll bite: where can you find a Carolina BBQ joint in China? Or any other country? How many exist outside of the Carolinas or the South for that matter?
There was this amusing Youtube video a while back where they took some Korean people off the streets and gave them Texas BBQ for the first time. Koreans aren't exactly known for being culinarily adventurous. Usually they don't like anything that's not Korean. They were smacking their lips and saying, "10 out of 10! This shit is fucking great!"
That's what you're saying:
"If your barbecue needs sauce, you’re doing it wrong. It should be bursting with moisture and be able to be cut with a spoon"
What this is implying is that Carolina BBQ, which necessitates sauce as otherwise it wouldn't be Carolina, is cooked poorly. What I'm saying is that good bbq is moist and cuttable with a spoon regardless of where it's from. That has no bearing on whether it "needs sauce". Sauce is meant to enhance the food. Who cares if it "needs it" to taste good? Do good fries need dipping sauce? No. Are good fries made better with some kind of dipping sauce? Unquestionably so.
I'm not going to dox myself to give examples of where this style of sauce is popular. I guess you'll have to take my word for it that they exist and aren't near either Carolina.
Texas is the second largest US state with insane amounts of cultural capital. It's going to be famous by nature of that regardless of whether it's better than what it's compared to.
YouTube videos are edited nonsense. I don't think this strengthens your point.
McDonald's is good in a disgusting way, it ticks all the boxes of a reptile brain evolved to survive in an environment where food was scarce. You get your fats, your sugars, your proteins, your carbs. You walk out of the place feeling bad about yourself and the life choices that led you there but you also feel good in the way you'd imagine a python would feel after swallowing a whole rat.
The burger itself is a good dish. It has an appalling mixture of flavours and textures and it's easy and convenient to cook and to eat. Being the national dish of the imperial hegemon and being marketed aggressively certainly helps it's popularity but it works very well as a meal.
Yaknow, I'm not sure if I agree with that. The hearty burger and fries is good no matter who or where you are.
Is McDonalds good food?
Now now, McDonald's is crap all over the world. The only reason I'll ever eat it is because I'm stranded at a train station or something, or if I have 15 minutes to make it to an appointment. But there is more to the burger than McD's. You can name any other fast food burger and it's better than McD's. And of course there are actual hamburgers, which are a thousand times better. And then homemade, where you're in control of everything...I have knocked Chinese people's socks off with burgers on the grill. Nothing special either, no Kobe beef or anything, just the ordinary backyard burgers like we make in America. 80 grams each.
I disagree, I think if it's good it will spread. If there's one thing people will go to a great deal of trouble for, it's good food.
Japanese food is everywhere, Chinese food is everywhere, Indian food is everywhere. Belgian food isn't everywhere, Australian food isn't everywhere, Mexican food isn't everywhere. (I mean actual Mexican from the interior, not Tex-Mex - which does have an overseas presence). The only places you'll see these is in expatriate communities.
Black pudding and beans on toast are better than any food that’s ever come out of your so-called “culture”
A big pot of veggie/tofu Jambalaya vs THAT!? Nah I'll take my fusion slop over whatever you have going on in Britland. Yall don't even season your fries. Oil flavored ass potatoes.
Anything you're flinging at me just because I live in the United States (and willfully ignoring that I do not have a Burgerland diet) easily applies to you if you're in :ukkk: and then some.
It doesn't work that way. Brits had limited access to spices and eschewed foreign foods. Nearly every region of America has had hundreds of years of spices and other cultures living there to develop their cuisine.
The worst regions of continental America is on par with the best regions of Britain because they suffered from the same factors that damaged British cuisine.
Spices provide another dimension to control how your food tastes, it's pretty vital.
it’s all subjective anyway
OK sure we might not have some objective way of measuring these things, but I think most of us can agree for instance, Norwegean or Russian food is worse than food in Mexico City.
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Uh…fries? Burger? Coke? America-style pizza? These became worldwide sensations for a reason. There is not a place on earth you can go that won’t have these things. Whereas your gellied eels or whatever remains a dark secret only eaten in the town of Worthmonpoofshire.
hmm, I wonder why that is? Imperialism? What's that?
If I was the Hexbear Admin, I would make it compulsory to read all comments in at least the thread before commenting something already addressed.
https://hexbear.net/post/271950/comment/3521529
But you're not, and I don't think this was really addressed. Did people invite the McDonald's corporation into their countries? No. Burgers are nice, and food tends to spread with regional variations, but to ignore the fact that America is the global hegemon is a bit silly.
No, I commented that it’s both. Food has to be good and there has to be a force pushing it (capitalism). This was in response to someone saying Filipino food isn’t good, proven by the fact that it’s not popular, which is a framing I disagree with.
Like, don’t forget the overall point of the thread (not the entire post), which was British people getting salty when Amerikans say their food is bad. That’s the context - why British food, despite Britain being as much of a cultural juggernaut as America for a lot longer, hasn’t achieved the level of penetration that American food did. Both capitalist, imperialist, colonialist. Only one who’s food is everywhere. Why? Because the food is actually good.
American food may be nicer than what you consider to be British food - though at this point, I'm not entirely sure what you think either of those are, exactly - but overall, taste is irrelevant; people will buy what they are sold, and if they are sold nothing but inoffensive yankee slop, they will eat nothing but inoffensive yankee slop. That's how this works - you use hegemonic power to eliminate competition in other markets. I still think you're overestimating the quality of American food.
Yeah, I’m not gonna argue further. If you think the only reason burgers are popular is because America threatens the world to eat them at gunpoint, then sure.
Still not eating gellied eels, bruv.
That's not what I said, but okay. Enjoy your high-fructose corn syrup!
That just goes to show how disgusting British food is because despite having a global empire where the sun never sets, even the most brainwashed mentally colonized colonial subject didn't want to eat that shit. There's a reason why baguettes are a part of Vietnamese cuisine. There's a reason why food of Turkish origins still exist in the Balkans to the point where there isn't a whole lot separating Turkish cuisine from Balkan cuisine.
Yet absolutely no former British colony has jellied eels as part of their national cuisine, not even the Anglo settler colonies like the US or Australia. I wonder why that is.
so you invented junk food that's designed to be addictive? idk if that's something to brag about
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Nope. American-style pizza (and even pasta though to a much lesser extent) is the dominant form of the food consumed worldwide. This is not the case with traditional diaspora food like curry where, if you go anywhere in the world and ask for it, they’ll give you Indian food or SE Asian food, and not whatever Bri’ish monstrosity you have frankensteined into existence.
Also see this comment - https://hexbear.net/post/271950/comment/3521529
In the end, look, the Bri’ish have given us a lot. Like, your literature is amazing in its depth compared to American. But you can’t have everything. You’re just not that good at food, mate.
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For what it's worth, the one time I was in London I found British food to be not at all like its reputation. I liked all the game meats. I've had British breakfast in Hong Kong and it's...OK. Gimme the full American any day, though.
Good place to end it then.
Also, if you could, what Bri’ish food would you suggest that Amerikans try to change their view?
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Savory pies are fucking great I’m honestly so annoyed that they aren’t popular in the US
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Because corn syrup is addictive? Lol
Here's how to know if a food is good or not: ask this simple question: is it served outside of its home area? If the answer is yes, it's good food. If you can only find it in a single city or region, it's probably edible but not excellent. If it's available worldwide, it's a home run. You can find Thai food just about everywhere these days. People like it.
Ever seen a Filipino food restaurant? I haven't. Not saying they don't exist outside The Philippines, but I just haven't seen one. I've had home-cooked Filipino food though and...it's just not that great. I mean, it's edible. It gets you full, it accomplishes the goal of a meal. But I just wasn't impressed. The adobo was probably the best dish and that was just stewed beef. You know what probably the most famous Filipino restaurant is, both at home and abroad? Jollibee's. Which serves...American-style fast food.
I felt the same way about Æthiop food. Served on the pancake, eat with your hands? It was edible but I wouldn't have it again.
Never had Filipino so can’t comment. But I’ll add that it’s also a matter of capitalism. American food became dominant because A) It’s tasty, and B) There was a lot of money to be made by selling it everywhere.
The second point isn’t available to a lot of cultures who have incredible food but just aren’t considered “marketable”. This, by the way, is even true or really popular cuisines like Chinese and Indian, where if you go there and explore, you see so much more variety than you ever could in the US.
But this is not true when it comes cuisine from the Bri’ish because they’ve had centuries to make their food popular and they couldn’t.
Cuz it’s not good.
I think the fact that you've never had it is a comment. 😛
I take it you’ve had all the cuisines in the world? Just read the rest of my comment.
That's a really uncharitable way to repeat my comment back to me. Even when you have it home-cooked, which is always the best way to experience a cuisine, it's just not that great. It's not a surprise that it hasn't caught on outside its home area.
Even inside a country, you can use this rule. It's why you can find Texas-style BBQ in Carolina but not Carolina-style BBQ in Texas.
I’ll be pointing this out and laughing next time I see someone try to claim Carolina style is “the only real BBQ”
This just isn't true. I'm not gonna come out and say "it's the only bbq", but I'm not from either Carolina nor the south in general and the vinegar/mustard based bbq sauce is the most common one here.
Sorry, I get combative when I comment.
Now I understand what you were trying to say.
Texas style? You mean that dry ass bbq without any sauce? Fucking trash man. Also tf you mean you can't find Carolina style? The mustardy bbq sauce is a available everywhere in the US and you invalidate every "point" you were trying to make.
If your barbecue needs sauce, you're doing it wrong. It should be bursting with moisture and be able to be cut with a spoon. You will find sauce at a Texas BBQ restaurant, though it is placed on the table as an option should patrons desire. I would advise using a bit just to see what it's like, but you'll probably agree the barbecue is better without it.
We were talking about restaurants, not finding a specialty sauce in the grocery store. There are Texas BBQ restaurants in China. How many Carolina BBQ restaurants are there outside of the Carolinas?
"Bbq cooked well is better" Yeah no shit if you cook the meat well it tastes better.
Carolina bbq cooked like shit is shit. Who would have thought.
Idrc if texan bbq is popular in China. There is a reason people always compare Texas, Memphis, and Carolina BBQ. Those are the 3 regional types that are very famous and regarded as good.
Also if you look at another comment of mine you'll see that I'm not from either Carolina or the south in general and "Carolina style" (vinegar/mustard based sauces) are the most popular types of BBQ here.
Texas is one of the largest must famous US states. Of course BBQ places in China will say that shit lol.
Texas is known for two things cowboy hats and hot air
Edit: sorry if this seems meandering poor thought our garbage. I'm day drinking with my siblings lol
That's not what I said; I said if it's properly done you won't need a sauce. You won't miss it at all.
OK, I'll bite: where can you find a Carolina BBQ joint in China? Or any other country? How many exist outside of the Carolinas or the South for that matter?
There was this amusing Youtube video a while back where they took some Korean people off the streets and gave them Texas BBQ for the first time. Koreans aren't exactly known for being culinarily adventurous. Usually they don't like anything that's not Korean. They were smacking their lips and saying, "10 out of 10! This shit is fucking great!"
That's what you're saying: "If your barbecue needs sauce, you’re doing it wrong. It should be bursting with moisture and be able to be cut with a spoon"
What this is implying is that Carolina BBQ, which necessitates sauce as otherwise it wouldn't be Carolina, is cooked poorly. What I'm saying is that good bbq is moist and cuttable with a spoon regardless of where it's from. That has no bearing on whether it "needs sauce". Sauce is meant to enhance the food. Who cares if it "needs it" to taste good? Do good fries need dipping sauce? No. Are good fries made better with some kind of dipping sauce? Unquestionably so.
I'm not going to dox myself to give examples of where this style of sauce is popular. I guess you'll have to take my word for it that they exist and aren't near either Carolina.
Texas is the second largest US state with insane amounts of cultural capital. It's going to be famous by nature of that regardless of whether it's better than what it's compared to.
YouTube videos are edited nonsense. I don't think this strengthens your point.
This dude's trying to deny the existence of American hegemony by coming for two of my favorite foods.
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McDonald's is good in a disgusting way, it ticks all the boxes of a reptile brain evolved to survive in an environment where food was scarce. You get your fats, your sugars, your proteins, your carbs. You walk out of the place feeling bad about yourself and the life choices that led you there but you also feel good in the way you'd imagine a python would feel after swallowing a whole rat.
The burger itself is a good dish. It has an appalling mixture of flavours and textures and it's easy and convenient to cook and to eat. Being the national dish of the imperial hegemon and being marketed aggressively certainly helps it's popularity but it works very well as a meal.
Yaknow, I'm not sure if I agree with that. The hearty burger and fries is good no matter who or where you are.
Now now, McDonald's is crap all over the world. The only reason I'll ever eat it is because I'm stranded at a train station or something, or if I have 15 minutes to make it to an appointment. But there is more to the burger than McD's. You can name any other fast food burger and it's better than McD's. And of course there are actual hamburgers, which are a thousand times better. And then homemade, where you're in control of everything...I have knocked Chinese people's socks off with burgers on the grill. Nothing special either, no Kobe beef or anything, just the ordinary backyard burgers like we make in America. 80 grams each.
:grillman: :grill:
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I disagree, I think if it's good it will spread. If there's one thing people will go to a great deal of trouble for, it's good food.
Japanese food is everywhere, Chinese food is everywhere, Indian food is everywhere. Belgian food isn't everywhere, Australian food isn't everywhere, Mexican food isn't everywhere. (I mean actual Mexican from the interior, not Tex-Mex - which does have an overseas presence). The only places you'll see these is in expatriate communities.
French fries though
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It’s both. See here - https://hexbear.net/post/271950/comment/3521529
Incorrect, Borger is good now.
IKEA cuisine :sicko-laser:
A big pot of veggie/tofu Jambalaya vs THAT!? Nah I'll take my fusion slop over whatever you have going on in Britland. Yall don't even season your fries. Oil flavored ass potatoes.
I eat just about zero sugar in my diet and I actually know how to cook. Wrong tree to bark up there. :gigachad:
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Anything you're flinging at me just because I live in the United States (and willfully ignoring that I do not have a Burgerland diet) easily applies to you if you're in :ukkk: and then some.
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Your comebacks are as bland and unimaginative as the slimy slop you're getting so defensive over. :miyazaki-laugh:
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:farquaad-point:
:michael-laugh:
I’ll think about this comment the next time I hear a Brit complain about how spicy something is after it’s been seasoned with black pepper.
Tbf I’ve come across plenty of brits who like food as spicy as possible
Yeah, adding tons of spice to every Indian dish regardless of how Indians make it is their whole thing
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:farquaad-point:
It doesn't work that way. Brits had limited access to spices and eschewed foreign foods. Nearly every region of America has had hundreds of years of spices and other cultures living there to develop their cuisine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_regional_and_fusion_cuisines
The worst regions of continental America is on par with the best regions of Britain because they suffered from the same factors that damaged British cuisine.
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Spices provide another dimension to control how your food tastes, it's pretty vital.
OK sure we might not have some objective way of measuring these things, but I think most of us can agree for instance, Norwegean or Russian food is worse than food in Mexico City.
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Why delete a productive discussion?
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