naive: "today I will read about chips and dip...a yakub psyop to manufacture desires in a libidinal economy????"

its amazing how a list of "American culture" is just disgusting garbage that corporations brainwashed them into enjoying. Like peanut butter which is of course a chalky tasteless food without all those unhealthy fats and salt/sugar

https://www.eater.com/2016/12/2/13799660/bologna-sandwich-recipe-history

We also might shudder at the bologna sandwiches we were forced to eat, with their cold, slippery, overly thick slices. We protest — even riot — over the indignity of consuming bologna. "It’s been inserted into the national psyche of despicable foods, laughable foods," says Amy Bentley, professor of food studies at New York University. "‘That’s baloney, that’s crazy.’ That’s how we think of it. It’s been embedded in our brains that way."

"its crazy to be an authentic human with a soul who doesn't believe whatever Oscar Mayer's corporate advertisements say! You must be brainwashed by Russian propaganda to think Lunchables being served in schools is disgusting abomination. Actually, kids learn better if they don't have a cafeteria at their school serving actual food. We need to privatize and defund schools even more so they can't afford to pay for a single cafeteria worker" - finance imperialist PMC demons

Bologna was one of the more accessible meats of the early 20th century. It kept well and, most importantly during the Great Depression and the war-rationing era, it was cheap. Made out of discarded or fatty parts of meat, even organ meat in some places, bologna was more affordable than ham or salami. And other meats like turkey and roast beef were not easily produced and therefore less available to consumers, says Jason Falter, co-owner of Falters Meats in Columbus, Ohio.

the ideal, highly processed wage slave food, which they later exported to kids in their "future wage slave traning" schools

In the mid-20th century, the rise of the packaged food industry transformed bologna sandwiches into a shared cultural experience. Bologna became available on a mass scale as meatpackers began selling packaged and pre-sliced deli meats in supermarkets, an invention that the New York Times extolled as a time saver for homemakers. "It’s a truly industrial product," says Bentley, explaining that packaged foods like bologna took on a cultural cachet as consumers saw those goods as cleaner than meat at the butcher shop.

"consumers saw those goods as cleaner " the soy neoliberals who wrote this were unable to talk about the million dollar advertising agency that was doing propaganda techniques to psyop people to have this belief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chips_and_dip

The popularity of chips and dip significantly increased in the United States during the 1950s, beginning circa 1954, due to changes in styles of entertaining in the suburbs and also due to a Lipton advertising campaign based upon using Lipton's instant dehydrated onion soup mix to prepare dip.

"suburbs" segregated nazi settler Karen NPC culture

Chips and salsa, typically served using tortilla or corn chips, is a common type of chips and dip dish that gained significant popularity in the United States in the late 1980s.

CIA psyops in the Latinx community smh

  • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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    13 days ago

    shit post. peanuts are eaten because they're the cheapest nut. hot dogs and bologna and glorious USSR sausage are eaten because they're cheap. in every culture people eat what's available. the presence of these foods in American culture is not because of a successful advertising psyop, it's because they're cheap! once they become expensive ideology keeps them there sure.

    I take particular offense at this poster apparently not understanding peanut butter. Natural peanut butter isn't chalky, those scary hydrogenated fats are just to make it so you don't have to stir. Natural peanut butter will separate and there's a big old layer of PEANUT OIL sitting there. It's full of fat already! That's why it tastes good!

    • WashedAnus [he/him]
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      13 days ago

      nerd uhm ackshually salt sugar and fat taste bad and you shouldn't add them to peanut butter

    • ssj2marx@lemmy.ml
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      12 days ago

      The sausage was intended to be a dietary supplement for people exhibiting signs of prolonged starvation (specifically "patients with compromised health as a result of the Civil War"), hence its name. Because it was a mild-tasting, inexpensive and relatively healthy source of meat, Doctor's Sausage became very popular in the USSR.

      🫡

      This may be apocryphal but apparently they wanted to call is "Stalin's Sausage" but the higher ups said "no".

  • CommunistBear [he/him]
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    13 days ago

    Made out of discarded or fatty parts of meat, even organ meat in some places

    If I'm gonna eat meat I don't mind this. I'd rather there be less waste in such a wasteful system

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      13 days ago

      Entirely good within the framework of eating meat yeah, and on top of that organ meat and offal literally just is good.

    • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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      13 days ago

      Yeah. I have two friends who work for a meat exporter here in the UK. Their whole business model is shipping the parts of pigs that UK meat eaters are too squeamish to stomach all the way to Africa and Asia.

      The things I hear from people, like "I don't eat flesh" (i.e. I eat meat but only when it is reconstituted from pulp into a nugget), or "I don't eat meat off the bone" (because it reminds them that they are eating an animal). And 90% of people who eat meat but don't eat offal do so not because of flavour, but because it's apparently gross.

      Fuck those people. Eat plant based bullshit if you can't face the fact that an animal died to feed you.

      • CommunistBear [he/him]
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        12 days ago

        There is a part of me that hates myself that I continue to eat meat. But one of the ways I try and square that circle is by eating every part that I can. I'm fully aware that this was a fully formed animal that is dead because of this desire that I have, the least I can do is make sure I waste as little as possible.

  • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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    13 days ago

    Banning BMF was a mistake and I think we should make an exception to the sectarianism rule for oracles and/or cranks

    • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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      13 days ago

      disagree because if they're sectarian and rant like that then they're going to be like one step away from creating some new form of hitlerism

      this post isnt sectarian though its just correct

            • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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              12 days ago

              I'm not really talking about BMF specifically

              But BMF has such wildly all over the place beliefs that I can't predict what they'll say in 2 years from now

              • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                12 days ago

                I know exactly what their politics were. They were hardline proletarian crank who hated middle class, radliberal and squishy left westoids. Who laser focused in on the “lesser evilism” of Chomsky and Bernie and DSA and Jacobin types, showing it to be fake and just as bad as naked reactionaries and DNC centrists

                • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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                  12 days ago

                  Are we just ignoring the weird cultural stuff they would focus on

                  Or the fact they would obsess over how real proles should eat bugs (ignoring beans and shit exist)

                      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                        12 days ago

                        looks like someone other than BMF putting words in their mouth, not BMF saying that. Try again.

                        BMF often mocked hypocrisy and dishonesty, which confuses some people who have simple one-track minds and get mad when they hear trigger term they have been pavloved into having a knee-jerk reaction to.

                        This user saw BMF mocking the hypocrisy of middle class leftists by pointing out that they don't want to eat bugs but also don't want to be vegetarians, and assumed that he's pro-eating bugs instead of just mocking incoherent positions

                        • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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                          11 days ago

                          I'm autistic so high level mocking sarcasm is lost on me. so what you're saying makes sense but "simple one track minds" is pretty out of line.

                      • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
                        hexagon
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                        12 days ago

                        A Washington Post explainer dipshit on here not even understanding BMF, thinkin' he's pro-bug in this bug war. Ridiculous.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      12 days ago

      Is it really sectarianism if it never targets any specific user?

      All of BMF's posts (and their comments, once they started commenting more) were one-off. They never got into an argument, or called any user out, beyond making fun of something specific they said in a tangential way.

      Also, anarchists are more sectarian against anarchists than BMF was sectarian against anarchists, it's not even close.

  • QueerCommie [comrade/them, she/her]
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    13 days ago

    I agree with everything except…

    Like peanut butter which is of course a chalky tasteless food without all those unhealthy fats and salt/sugar

    Fuck you, this is blasphemy. Peanut butter is delicious especially the non [name brand/sugary] Jif kind when it’s able to separate and stuff.

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    13 days ago

    Like peanut butter which is of course a chalky tasteless food without all those unhealthy fats and salt/sugar

    hahaha

  • Black_Mald_Futures [any]
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    12 days ago

    tasteless food without all those unhealthy fats and salt/sugar

    tell me you're not a professional cook without saying you're not a professional cook

    Fat salt and sugar taste good and almost quite literally all good tasting food tastes good because of them

    also peanuts have a great flavor and adding peanut butter to a variety of dishes is some real good shit

    • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      13 days ago

      It's like one of the cheapest sources of protein for me, so I'm not too bothered if it's not. It's also one of the few legumes western diets will have regularly too.

    • Wakmrow [he/him]
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      13 days ago

      I fucking love unsweetened peanut butter. I eat it on celery with sea salt and it's amazing. I can't stand the sugar infused ones.

      It's very calorie dense though

    • fox [comrade/them]
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      13 days ago

      It's excellent as a source of energy with lots of protein and fat

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        12 days ago

        They'll oversweeten everything that shouldn't be sweetened and then not sweeten things that should be sweetened. Sugar (or something like sweet rice wine) is a useful spice when used correctly and sparingly and things like certain fruits mix very well into savory dishes, but it's like people will chug a bottle of literal syrup and then eschew naturally sweet ingredients in food for "health reasons," or chow down on multiple snack cakes that are 90% fat by mass in between meals and then avoid using cooking oil because "that's unhealthy."

        When these things are used in the correct place you get an overall diet that's both delicious and healthy, but instead the norm is just that any given thing must be the opposite extreme of what it should be.

      • dannoffs [he/him]
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        12 days ago

        I'm a USA and I had no idea people sweetened peanut butter. I buy the hippie shit that's just peanuts.

        • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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          12 days ago

          unfortunately the hippie shit costs more. Likely the assembly lines are easier if they don't have to worry about it separating. But since we live in hell world it is entirely possible that hydrogenated fat and/or sugar are less expensive per gram than roasted peanuts

    • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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      13 days ago

      I love some unsweetened peanutbutter. Plenty of good fat and protein.

    • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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      13 days ago

      genuine fresh nut butter without any additions has oils and proteins in the nuts which makes it satisfying to eat

    • PointAndClique [they/them]
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      13 days ago

      Too expensive to eat in the same quantities but it's so good. It's got its own natural creaminess and sweetness, and is a better/simpler cooking ingredient imo by virtue of being easier to gauge how it'll turn out (like satay, or baked sweets)

  • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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    12 days ago

    finance imperialist PMC demons

    Next username

    today I will read about chips and dip...a yakub psyop to manufacture desires in a libidinal economy

    I guess we'll add "dipping things in sauce" to the list of thing HexBear users think only white people do. Put it there with "have holidays based around feasting" and "make noise".

  • ssj2marx@lemmy.ml
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    12 days ago

    BMF is the king of "I kinda agree with your underlying idea, but your examples are all wrong."