Like, I know leftcoms aren't ok, but I genuinely don't understand how a person that considers themselves a communist can think liberating the Jewish people is bad or at least "not progressive"
he kinda looks like Ernest Borgnine here. bit idea: Airwolf but with Bordiga in the navigator seat
a man who thought Hitler was a revolutionary socialist
I mean he really didn't. His takes on Hitler were definitely bad, but that wasn't the take
It's not that far off from things he has been quoted with some credibility as having said:
However, Festorazzi shows that there was someone whom Bordiga was willing to discuss politics with, quite openly and on multiple occasions: Angelo Alliotta, an informant of the fascist political police, whose reports are still available from the Central Archives of the State in Rome. Some of Bordiga's most interesting statements as reported by Alliotta and quoted by Festorazzi:
Therefore, June 10 (the date of Mussolini's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism. They are afraid of bringing down England, they are afraid because they know that with it, the whole capitalist system will collapse. [...] I still hope that Hitler will not renounce the struggle, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequences.
The great and authentic revolutionaries of the world are two: Mussolini and Hitler. But Mussolini's past shows that Il Duce has always been against the plutocracy and against the democracies, which paralyze the life of nations.
https://libcom.org/forums/history/bordiga-leninist-who-put-his-hopes-axis-27122017
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Of course then in the comments we get:
There were plenty of pro-revolutionaries in that time, certain anarchists, who set much better examples in their lives. The fondness for Hitler and Mussolini is disgusting. Marxism for ya..
every fucking time
That said, other discussion in the comments is really interesting (and too lengthy to be fruitfully quoted) along with mention of the smol been Makhnovists who just keep having these oopsie-woopsie splinters that do ethnic cleansing (just kidding, the pogroms aren't mentioned, just the suppression by the Bolsheviks of the Makhnovists)
There's a reason why Bordiga spend less than 4 years in prison while Gramsci rotted in prison.
Is it that he was already viewed as a useful idiot? (the quotes were all from after his imprisonment as far as I can tell)
Its because some leftcoms are a "both sides" type of people in many conflicts, like for example palestine or korea, and think picking any side makes you an imperialist
It's funny, here we consider that to be some turbo
behavior
Probably the same logic that makes shining path, khmer rouge, the new jewel movement betrayal, etc. Happen
actually the one thing that's sus about that interaction (besides the obvious hitler particle shit) is the use of 'progressive' as a positive word
Progress is good in communism. They're not saying it's progressive in US shitlib terms, they're saying it's a progression of affairs.
Progressive/conservative/reactionary is a common and useful framing for leftists. This is like saying communism isn't leftist because leftism "actually" refers to a faction of liberals in the French Revolution.
Idk I only ever see it used by shitlibs but that's me. If you're going to include reactionary you should probably have revolutionary in there too. That one's harder to fuck up.
Revolutionary isn't a political perspective, it's a tactic. You can be a reactionary revolutionary.
i like the term "hitlerite," i remember seeing it in a russian ww2 doc
It was a term used (at least in translation) by Stalin during WWII, including in one of his more famous published statements during the invasion, iirc
Yea they used "hitlerite" in Soviet Storm, you can find it for free on youtube
I think they were trying to make some kind of distinction or delegitimize fascism or something. or maybe they considered fascism the Italian thing and Nazism to be it's own thing. I can't quite remember but I' know I read about it somewhere. : (
Let me preface this by saying that I absolutely despise LeftKKKoms, but I think it's important to hate them accurately. They're using "progressive" in the Marxist sense, meaning "progressing toward Communism." The thing is, even by that standard, it's obviously true. Is a German "working class" that enjoys the benefits of slave labor or one that has to live without going to be more inclined toward revolution? The answer is obvious, and you can see it play out all across the Global North today, for example in the popularity of "Left Communism."
good thing I never got into bordiga I guess
