With trump being guaranteed to win the 2024 election and it also being likely that the state will be much more violent, what do you think is going to happen in the US over the next few years?
US goes through the same changes that Ukraine went through post-2014. Education and media is revamped to pump out ultranationalist belief, after 8-12 years the kids that are ten years old today will form the footsoldiers of new fascism that will be used in ww3. This conveniently lines up with all the estimates of when conflict with china would occur from US military people.
Surrounding these major goals lots of minor goals will also occur legislatively to make things a more patriarchal and ultranationalist (more so than it already is) society.
no fuckin way the usa is able to do anything with that much consistency and competence
Most of it can be achieved just by making things they don't like illegal.
Same as it ever was, yall had the off ramp in 2016 and 2020 with Bernie and the big elites that actually control politics didn't bite because it wouldve affected quarterly earnings. There will be no negotiated surrender, no deal like the UK had when it gave up its Empire in exchange for the NHS and a decent standard of living - not like that lasts forever either I guess. The best thing that could've been done is a managed decline and coordinated hand-off to China like the UK and US post WW2.
Well, absent revolution lol. The best thing while maintaining capitalism and a high standard of living would've been that.
US goes through the same changes that Ukraine went through post-2014. Education and media is revamped to pump out ultranationalist belief, after 8-12 years the kids that are ten years old today will form the footsoldiers of new fascism that will be used in ww3. This conveniently lines up with all the estimates of when conflict with china would occur from US military people.
How will this work with the younger generations being majority non-white? It's not like the abortion restrictions are going to change this either - white people will continue to have abortions in blue states, nonwhite people will be forced to give birth.
Ukrainians and Russians are fundamentally the same people and their differences are an invention.
Do enough racism and you can get coloured americans hating Chinese and Russians and basically any of america's enemies enough to be youth fascists. Just scramble their brains. They are good, legal, american citizens. Not like those communist chiiiinese or dirty russian orcs.
How do they stop white USians from ruining the racial solidarity of the US? Even if uniting USians against the Chinese is technically possible, they still end up with the problem of internal racial contradictions as weak points in their racial coalition i.e. the inability to build a racial coalition against Vietnam "No Viet Cong Ever Called Me N*****"
The Vietnamese were never a threat to american lifestyles. If you can convince a Brit that the Polish or Romanian migrant affects is responsible for their living conditions deteriorating you can convince a black american that the Chinese are responsible for their living conditions and a material threat to their entire existence.
Double down ideologically on capitalism-good and communism-bad while you're at it and make it an existential battle between good and evil. Throw some religious elements into schools too.
You can definitely do it if you make the counter narrative to this illegal enough. The rest can be achieved with beatings and terror.
The racial contradictions within the US mean superprofits are not redistributed to everyone. There's whites and everyone else.
I think the only way to create a unified "American" race is if the benefits of whiteness are extended beyond white people.
And that's going to require a conscious project from the ruling class.
They don't have the time for that. I'm convinced that they will work faster with the intent of war within 10-15 from now. They will just aim to prep as many of the next school generation for it as possible. Maybe they don't aim for racial unity, maybe they do muiltiple different approaches, one thing in the white parts of the country and another in the black parts of the country and another in the hispanic and latinx parts of the country.
I suspect they lean in on pushing christianity really hard too.
I think if they do a blitz to promote colorismo over whiteness as the new racial situation they could maybe do it in ten years. It's already an extant expression of racial sentiment and dominates the rest of the Americas, the US and Canada are just outliers that have preserved whiteness in its previous incarnation. It's doable. It won't be easy, though.
Where does China and Russia fit into this? Just have the colorismo spectrum be a black/brown/white spectrum and put the slavs and the chinese outside of it entirely as some variant of yellows/asiatics?
I was more concerned with uniting the multiracial population of the US, actually leveraging racial sentiments against Asia would probably have to b its own project and is maybe unnecessary. Nativism might be enough if colorismo can topple white supremacy.
If the average burgerlander can be "programmed" so thoroughly like this, what is stopping us from doing the same thing to create a mass of American commies? Resources?
Power. We'd need to own the media and the politicians and the NGOs and the schools etc etc
They support them as "one of the good ones" but they aren't being welcomed into whiteness.
Yet.
If Trump rides a red wave into power and sweeps those anti-woke nonwhite candidates into positions of power it would do a lot to create the colorismo necessary to weaken the contradictions of whiteness. That's what it'll take - people in power consciously choosing to promote colorismo over whiteness and realign the racial hierarchy in the US. It can be done. It's not simple.
How will this work with the younger generations being majority non-white
In the US for the local primary, I did a lot of canvasing and 'illegal immigrants are sucking up all the money' is a belief held not just by white Anglos. A significant number of black people and even some Latin people expressed this belief. This is anecdotal of course, but there's a trend toward cross-racial 'nativism' and xenophobia that's growing.
I think a multiracial coalition can be built but it'd be quite difficult to overcome white supremacy as the dominant racial ideology. I've said elsewhere that I think a consciously constructed colorismo could do it, but it can't just be left to grow naturally on its own to have enough time to get this off the ground before the confrontation with China goes hot.
They're gunna' be like 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th generation non-Americans and probably have interracial parents or grandparents that's gunna' give them light-enough skin to pretend to be white or white-adjacent. Imperial core is super-good at making imperial subjects and the imperial core lifestyle seem appealing to them.
I could see colorismo being imported from Latin American countries, but it'll probably need to be a conscious imperial project.
I don’t think it needs to conscious at all. People’s zip codes being passed on, while occasionally being acquired by minorities, will be enough for the colorism to organically grow.
In ten years? I don't think so - I think it will take a light skinned white supremacist as President or something.
I'll go on a limb here and say the year is 2026 and Trump is using Xi's meeting with Biden, all in plain daylight in Communist California as proof of his collusion and selling out to China.
Sucks to suck, absolutely nobody could've seen this coming lol.
More officially sanctioned and unofficially sancted violence against whoever the cops/chuds don't like. The democrats helped set up the police state they're about to hand off to Trump.
Women, LGTBQ people get their rights stepped on in red states. Libs will wring their hands and/or victim-blame. Homeless people will get their rights stepped on everywhere.
Some right-wing hate group will attempt to hold a rally in a major liberal city (maybe with national backing if we live in the spicy timeline, but the results will be the same), and run away because the protesters are scary. It won't be repeated and everyone will pretend it never happened.
US foreign policy will remain as omnicidal as always.
Some right-wing hate group will attempt to hold a rally in a major liberal city
Portland, Oregon. It's always Portland.
I have been assuming the search for scapegoats will intensify as the far right becomes the guarantor of capital amidst the unfolding climate crisis. We have to remember that it's happening right now way faster than predicted. Climate refugees will be the most reviled scapegoats here and I wonder to what extent they will chip away at the rights of queer people during this time. Will they pass Russian gay laws in all of America, given how decentralized it is again becoming?
The People of Sand and Slag has a horrifying view of what such a future could bring
trump sweeping biden like hes mondale. trans rights in the gutter. nothing fundamentally changes regardless.
Controversial take: I don't think this changed much. Trump was probably gonna win anyway, I actually don't think this improves his chances that much. Most CHUDs are lazy and easily distracted, they'll forget about this in a week, they're already winning why risk their hides going out into the streets to smash shit up. If Trump wins things will get worse but probably in a much slower, less dramatic way than most imagine.
Also I gotta say, before this everyone here was talking about how the threat of Project 2025 was overblown, how things will be almost/just as bad under Biden. Now Trump survives an incompetent assassination attempt and everyone is suddenly with the Libs about Trump being Hitler 2.0? Idk guys sounds like some of y'all are getting cold feet on anti-electoralism and are now contemplating voting for genocide Joe to keep Trump out. Which hey, if you're genuinely scared, by all means vote, just be honest about changing your tune here.
Yeah, the instant panic from all corners is pretty wild to see. It makes Trump more likely to win, his potential presidency was already going to be bad and it still will be. Not sure why people are saying that this is the thing that will usher in fascism. The fascism is already here and you're already living under it. If you're waiting for some big break or warning sign there won't be one because it's already here. Not saying you can't worry about the bad shit that is going to happen under Trump, but people saying that this is the Reichstag Fire need to get a grip
To add to this, the reason American fascism doesn't seem quite as dramatically and aggressively oppressive domestically is because it doesn't really have any meaningful domestic opposition. There is no radical left, not a well organized one anyway. There no real material need to have Browncoats and Gestapo driving around in black vans right.
The right is hopped up on culture war shit, because that's all they got. Not saying that can't result in actual repression against LGBTQ, but I doubt it's going to be as dramatic and sudden as a Night or Broken Glass situation, more just a slow roll back of rights. Trump will likely just be a slightly worse than usual republicans president. Which is still bad, and if you want to vote to keep that out of office go right ahead. But let's be honest about the reality on the ground here.
Trump will likely just be a slightly worse than usual republicans president.
I'm not even convinced this is true. Have you seen the absolute freaks they have over there?
Yeah but none of them will actually be POTUS. None of them have Trumps rizz.
I live in Florida. My vote doesn't matter here anyways, so I'm just going to cast a protest vote for whatever leftish third party there is to get the catharsis of flipping off the Democrats, though they're still largely unaffected and will keep failing upward.
Still, at the same time, I guess my knowledge of this country's history makes me scared of reactionary mob violence during periods of instability. I mean, I do live in a part of the country where that was more common place a century ago. And also, as unlikely as it is, this state also has a record of active discrimination against queer people in public employment. I guess when I gaze at the past for examples, I find some scenarios that are less likely given present differing conditions.
I hear you but, two things, one I think any instability that's coming is coming regardless of the fact someone took a pot shit at Trump. Even if he looses there's probably bad stuff on the horizon.
Two, I do stand by my point I don't think the right has many great targets for their mob violence right now. There are no socialist clubs, union halls or civil rights churches to burn. There's not left to threaten them. The right has anti-queer rhetoric but most queer gathering places are in liberal enclaves where the right has little on the ground power. Hence why I think most of the rights anti-queer stuff is going to be boring legal crap, still awful but not as dramatic a Night of Broken Glass situation. There'll be isolated lone wolf acts but I doubt they'll be a major purge.
one I think any instability that's coming is coming regardless of the fact someone took a pot shit at Trump. Even if he looses there's probably bad stuff on the horizon.
I don't disagree with you there. The effects of climate change and the politics they produce happens no matter who's in charge at this point. So much suffering could have been avoided if years ago people had calmly sat down, planned a green transition, and made provisions for any instability that would affect vulnerable populations at the equator during the short term. But of course, planning anything is evil 1984 communism to these people.
The right has anti-queer rhetoric but most queer gathering places are in liberal enclaves where the right has little on the ground power.
I find this a compelling argument against any dramatic displays of non state violence by the far right in the near term future.
Hence why I think most of the rights anti-queer stuff is going to be boring legal crap
Which is where I get worried about Russian gay laws coming to Florida. I had wanted to pursue a career in public education years earlier and the state of Florida had a history of publicly persecuting queer teachers. Idk, I'm pretty straight-passing but, maybe some day the state will spend resources to comb through social media and find a bi flag post I liked or something. Maybe I should leave this state for some more accepting place in the medium term.
Not to be a gigalib, but I hope to finally take the plunge and GTFO this country. I can't take it here anymore.
No jobs, no housing, everything is a luxury, garbage-tier culture, everything is ugly, every product we buy is toxic. I cannot in good conscious start a family and raise a child in this country, let alone live in it myself in good conscience.
Trump’s brain got scrambled during the shooting and he’s now gonna be a Maoist
If you are concerned, I recommend you register as a Republican as a bare minimum. If you’re doxed or someone tries to compile a list, they might be lenient. You gotta remember that a lot of minorities are also Republicans, so they likely won’t target you if they know you’re nominally on their team.
Of course it’s irrelevant if they make an impromptu choice to assault you on the street for bigoted reasons, but if you’re a visibly straight, white person, not too many downsides. Maybe unless you vote locally and now you’re stuck with just republican candidates.
This was my exact thought process. Someone is going to make a list and try to pull a donor list from democrats in Congress who are already too spineless to stand up to Biden.
I was legitimately thinking about donating to Trump's campaign or even take a picture of my mailed ballot showing I voted for him. Just to buy time.
The key is to do everything possible to keep the target off your back to get in a better situation. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Unironically decided to do the same, in case the worst happens. Plus I use it as a good rhetorical device if anyone ever drags me into a conversation.
"Hey, I'm a republican like everyone else too! I AM a reactionary, BUT...."
yeah nothing much changes. last week i knew trump was going to win because thats the shit thing we get in america. today im even more sure of it
biden was never meant for two terms they only got him in the game to beat bernie in the first place
