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Thank you. I could tell you were getting a little frustrated so... yaknow.
After like a decade of hrt? And I have to assume laser or something on your face (because you have said hrt doesn't change facial hair, right? I know if I didn't shave there's not a god damn thing I could do to pass). That is a considerable amount of work, and is not typical for cis women. And I guess I don't know how severe the changes are after 17, but that is still young enough for some bone changes, right? Which is impossible for me to ever get.
I did not mean it that way, sorry for not wording it right. But trans people who don't pass do get they/them'd, regardless of how the person intends it. And it still feels shitty, and still isn't the typical experience of cis women.
I agree a lot with sneak100's comment (which I see you also agree with?), the starting line is very different. "Catching up" is a ton of work. Maybe you are just talking about how it is after putting in a decade of work and I'm looking at the whole thing, decade of prep included.
A bit, but more exhausted than anything, low social battery, autism y'know...
Yes after nine going on ten years of hormones! You still end up getting stuff happening even this far in! The evil little thing I have to admit to here is that I never got facial hair. That's like the one thing I managed to fully escape. Shaving sucks badly and having facial hair can hugely impact passing, even though cis women have it sometimes too. Ask a cis woman how she feels about walking around with 5 o'clock shadow! Fwiw my wife sometimes skips shaving and it doesn't cause her to be misgendered, most people do not look that close. Shaving does suck, badly, and you are pre-HRT so passing will be harder for you. But many or even most cis women shave their faces every day. It's part of the beauty routine.
You would think I'd be young enough for bone changes, but nah not really. If phrenology's your interest, my shoulders are an inch or two wider than my pelvis, a lot of my hip width and figure generally is just muscle and fat moving to cool places. I have really long legs but typically masculine long arms to match. I'm lucky, but not absurdly so imo. I got a better luck of the draw on family honestly...
Uh no, that's not how that is supposed to work. Everyone should be they-them'd until you know their gender or pronouns, at which point you switch. I don't assume anyone's pronouns in day to day life myself. Anyone will get they/them'd at least once if the person is being decent. Cis women should get they/them'd too; nobody should assume anybody's gender, see. This is why pronoun pins are cool too.
I guess my point, in light of sneak100's comment, is that it's varying amounts of work for everyone, because passing is stupid and arbitrary and cisnormative. If you take HRT for a few years though, you might well be able to slack like I do and still get gendered right. Lots of trans people do. It is often true that trans women have to put in more work to pass though, which sucks, again cisnormativity. But Tomboymoder was saying that cis women somehow have an innate "looking like a woman" that they always have, that trans women do not somehow? That is some gender phrenology shit. Clearly, given me and my wife, it's not an assigned gender thing.
I try not to feel envious of other people in the mega but damn you make it hard.
I really do not feel like engaging with a lot of this, sorry. I understand what you are saying though.
Well sure trans women can get there (to where I can roll out of bed passing, even if not fully up to beauty standards. Like I do now with looking like a guy), with a whole bunch of work. I certainly need a whole bunch of work before I get to that point.
Also tbh I haven't read all of her recent comments so maybe she clarified and isn't saying what I am (and tbh I think we are talking about slightly different things)
You don't have to apologise to me, I'm here yapping cause I wanna help, and I'm happy to. I Love My Trans Comrades, even when they have brainworms or whatever, don't care tbh.
Haha sorry
if it's any consolation I still get my wife to go over my upper lip and pull black hairs now and then...
Yeah that's okay, no worries. Can leave it where it is, talk to me some other time, whatever's cool.
Most of that work I think comes from hormones, your hair, your presentation in terms of dress imo. Which is all stuff you either just wait for the effects of or can freely change. There's no reason transfemmes cannot roll out of bed and go be women just as the cis do, like sneak100 said it's the same ways of passing even if it takes more work for transfemmes. The extra work sucks, would be cool if you could just do it now but whadda ya do.
Well she did not specify what exactly it is that makes her sisters inherently womanly in the morning but not her
it's brainworms plain and simple.
Don't be, I'm glad not everyone here is in the exact situation I am, and I'm happy for you.
Yea I'd agree that's most of it. That just feels like a lot right now
being pre everything. It would be very cool. I'll get there though. With some work :)
Thank you
seeing some younger trans people here is really cool, my hope is that someday the majority of trans people will realise by their teens.
It is a lot
it's a whole process, it took me nearly a year from "im trans" -> actually getting HRT. You can also take it fully at your own speed though, you will get there 
God if we can live in a world where gender exploration is open and accepted enough for that to happen, what a better world that will be.
THE DREAM
Seeing older trans people here is really cool
I honestly do not know what I would do without you/them. It wouldn't be as good as it is that's for sure 
I wonder how long it will take me to get hrt. I suppose I already know I'm trans, don't I?
Yeah it's rad, I love how diverse the userbase in trans mega is honestly. Makes everything better
Uh it depends on where you are, best case you can go to an informed consent clinic or planned parenthood to get prescribed. And yes you do =)
The diversity is so good.
Less of a practical question and more of a "when are you going to come out and try, eggnog?" question. I will remember how to get hrt though :)
Looking at it again I have no idea how I expected that to be communicated.
If you need help finding resources, lmk
Thank you! I appreciate it so much. Maybe I will soon, or at least know what resources I might have access to.
I can go a few days without shaving, you'd only notice it if you were up close. Many cis women have to shave or bleach their facial hair, along with body hair like arms/hands also.
Nobody will be able to assume your gender from your bones.. that is a myth
People use they/them in a number of ways, shitty people misgender regardless.. most misgendering would occur because of presentation but not exclusively. Many cis women get misgendered every day.. that's a fact.