In the 2020 elections You could argue that kamala was the weakest candidate out of the whole crop Not even in a leftist way like there were better liberals and centrists I think she did worse than bernie Amy Warren and even shit faced butegig While Biden provided a legacy candidate the top brass liked Bernie and Warren were exciting for the youth Amy was the centrist candidate Even Pete had more popularity
Kamala provided nothing The only reason she was picked for vp was that she was that she provided so many identity cards (black/Asian/female) it filled in the gap of electing an old white man as president
But now in a clear case of astro turfing meme culture is trying to rehabilitate her Even tho she is still the nobody who climbed the ladder who go their by mass incarceration of black people
The token vice president who stood by like a good dog while Biden failed to codeify roe v wad or deliver on campaign promises
In alot of ways she is the face of the Democrat party, a craven sycophant who betrayed her people to climb politics.
Kamala sucks but the optics of ousting her are so bad. She's a ghoul like Clintons, Obama, Bootyedge, Newsom which is 90% of why she's there. Dems seem to be hoping some people are won back by making the swap seem like a concession, despite it being a stolen primary for Biden's unpopular VP.
Unpopular doesn't begin to explain who detestable kamala is to anyone without tiktok Even the centrists and neoliberals don't like her
Ok, give us your oh so special opinion then. And what state is programming us? And have you not been paying attention, we've been making fun a kamala since before 2020 lmao
and now back to your state programming
projection levels off the charts, you're still the one supporting a genocide because it's a blue genocide
If it's any comfort the hate for her isn't new here, she just didn't come up much because she's basically been a ghost for the past four years
Exactly. There was plenty of posting about just how bad she was in 2019/20 but VP is not a position where you get to exercise a lot of power so why even talk about her, there's no new news.
All these articles were compiled and linked years ago: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#kamala-harris
But now that she's up for election, saying she's unlikable or her record despicable, is just "hatred" and "interesting" timing, apparently... No motherfucker, we've been here the whole time saying the same shit. She sucks, she always did, Khive twitter posting was at least funny but it was just a sideshow because she ran a terrible campaign. But now she stands to take power and attempt to be girlboss obama (neoliberal who does shitty things but tries to have a veneer of progressivism or whatever) except without the charisma, so of course now we're talking about her more than 6 months ago...
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No, you just haven't been paying attention to this side until a couple days ago. We've hated her longer than you've known who she is.
r/neoliberal was saying shit like "any dem could beat trump in a landslide besides biden or kamala" like last week. Even in that incredibly liberal space, almost nobody there was interested in her being the candidate, they were split between riding with biden and pulling in someone more compelling than kamala. Looking at the top replies to the r/politics megathread in the aftermath of Biden dropping out and endorsing kamala is similar, mostly people saying "Anyone but biden or trump is fine, I'll vote for kamala if it's her" but nobody saying "fuck yeah it's Kamala time!" or anything remotely resembling "liking her"
So I don't see it as hatred and vitriol so much as just rightful condemnation, and acknowledging that even people who aren't left wing radicals also don't find her remotely inspiring. Her record speaks for itself, she sucks.
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She's the perfect candidate, a total nothingburger that Democrats can project all of their hopes and dreams on to without any pesky facts getting in the way.
I geniunely can't think of anything she is passionate about other than her race gender and ancestry
Harris’ quote:
“You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you,” which she said at a White House event last year.
Some supporting Harris have referred to her candidacy as “Operation Coconut Tree,” said they’re “coconut-pilled” and have used the coconut emoji in social media posts...
Yeah I think the libs are having a Sarah Palin moment with Kamala, they’re snorting serious hopium on her based off the superficial, but once that new candidate smell wears off in a couple weeks the blatant weaknesses will come roaring back (who’s ready for the return of “student-loan forgiveness plan for Pell Grant recipients who start a business that operates for three years in disadvantaged communities”?)
(who’s ready for the return of “student-loan forgiveness plan for Pell Grant recipients who start a business that operates for three years in disadvantaged communities”?)
Am I the only one you noticed that both her and Hillary said the exact thing about that? Who is asking for that? Who benefits from it? It's such a bizarre specific cutout.
it's kind of a golden moment when you put it that way
it's this generations Hope And Change
i think she has better chances than ol biden.
she can play the 'not trump' card and not be weighted down in public perception by the pesky genocide.
project 2025-like policies are probably happening anyway, so meh.
No don't you see - this is the most democratic option!!!!!!
Seriously though yeah she's an awful ghoul and an extremely untalented one. It's just the transition that's easiest for the system to tolerate.
I think she has a chance at winning but only because of abortion and negative partisanship toward Trump. If she wins it will 100% because of those two things (mostly abortion of the two), and would 100% be in spite of her campaign performance
If she wins then the Democrats will only push this type of ghoul. So I kinda hope she doesn't But then I think of our trans comrades and I feel guilty for wanting her to lose
If she loses the Democrats will keep pushing this kind of ghoul, also
Like HamManBad said, they're already only going to push this kind of ghoul. The Dem party is only this type of ghoul
There certainly is a lot of astroturfing going on, but a lot of the fools I know online who are throwing coconut trees in their handles aren't DNC bots. There is genuine excitement for her. She appears as a clean slate. She's been silent as the grave for the past four years, to such a degree as she isn't seen as Biden's biggest cheerleader. She hasn't voluntarily gone out of her way to publicly eat shit every day the way many confidently wrong Democratic figures and administration spokespeople do.
Any awful shit the Biden administration is responsible for can be conveniently blamed on him, while any good things which came to pass in the past four years can be appropriated. People fill in the blanks (and they are enormous blanks) with whatever they want to believe. It isn't much different from how many of us felt about Bernie in 2016 and 2020.
I'm not saying she's a good candidate either. I agree with pretty much everything @DesertComrade@hexbear.net says here. I just think things have gotten so much more bleak in the past four years. Our standards have been lowered to such a degree, that THIS is what inspires people.
I actually kind of buy this. The temperature was turned up so high on Biden and Trump that there's basically no heat left for her.
All she has to be is Trump's foil, and I can't really think of anyone else that's less of their own character.
my lib wife yesterday looked like she was going to throw up she had so much anxiety
today she sounds excited, complete 180
Kamala is a relic of 2020, that high water mark of the contemporary left's resurgence in the US. Biden was always going to be the candidate that year, but if they were going to beat Trump, they needed someone to appeal to those on the progressive to leftist spectrum, especially on the heels of the George Floyd protests which had even pulled in so many liberals that year. That was Kamala. Although she was criticized by those on the hard left for being a cop, the Black/South Asian/female angle was promoted to those who were less ideological, and her sort of crunchy stepdaughter was also paraded around, I guess for the younger/alternative crowd?
But yeah the only reason she was picked was for a bunch of reasons specific to 2020 and that very weird election year. Unfortunately the left-wing wave of the Trump years seems to have rolled back and Kamala just...doesn't really have much to offer? She was one of the weakest candidates of that primary, with little support, and one of the first to drop out. While I think she has a chance of beating Trump (or at least better than Biden) just by virtue of not being a sundowning old man with one foot in the grave, I feel like the DNC might do better to choose some centre-right milquetoast lib to appeal to the bloodthirsty suburbanites and the post-2020 right-wing reaction on which Trump has been coasting. Although this is probably who Kamala is going to pick as her VP.
who in the party though can you prop up as a center right liberal though?
This is the real electoral problem with the DNC, since it skews so old theres really no younger politicians with any contemporary buy in on there political past. Joe Biden was really the last kind of democrat of that type, and he is 80 years old. The DNC is nothing but a bunch of old people and nobodies.
Meanwhile the GOP has a recurring and new cast every election year, mostly because they can retire from politics and get onto a board of directors for random corporations, and secure the bag. There doesnt seem to be a mechanism like that for the DNC, except that when a prominent nobody loses a big election they get funneled into the party structures (e.g. stacy abrams, jaime harrison) or turned into a recurring MSNBC contributor, losers consulting future losers.
I know Joe Manchin is now an independent, but he's been suggesting reregistering as a Democrat now that Biden has dropped out. And I don't know about "centre-right," but many of the "former Democrats turned cautious Trump supporters" in my life were hoping Biden would drop out in favor of Josh Shapiro. I mean they just need someone who will appeal to the swing states and the moderate/right-wing wing of the party that they were losing to Trump due to Biden's decline and incompetence. I mean when New York is in danger of becoming a battleground state, you know you're in trouble. Even the Klobberer would be an okay choice imo. Kamala is a California liberal (from the Bay area no less) who was chosen in 2020 to appeal to progressives. She can probably ensure the solidly blue states stay blue, which Biden was in danger of losing, but I think they'd do better to appeal to the center this time around.
Even my well off liberal friend doesn't like her. I was kind of surprised, because he's a "vote blue no matter who" type guy. His criticisms were her record, and her lack of experience.
I think she has the best chance of winning but ironically she has the same major liability that Joe Biden had, that is being associated with Joe Biden.
Almost any attack Trump could make against Biden, barring being senile, works for Harris because she was literally in the administration. The portion of the populace that votes to punish the current president for economic downturns will hate her almost as much as Biden.
