Inspired by this dorky exchange I had, thank u BountifulEggnog.

I want to know what your gender means to you, how you define it, what it means for you to "be" that gender and how you define it. Don't fuss about 'correct definitions' or anything, this is about your experience, I want to know what it means to you. How you relate to that gender, perceive it.

Genders have a social construction aspect and is very subjective, so I think people's subjective, personal views of their own are both important and interesting. Inquiring mind wants to know! interviewer

I'll share some of mine I guess.

I was a trans woman until the contradictions sharpened to a razor's edge after reading Gender Outlaw and The Gender Accelerationist Manifesto. My brain got cracked in half. I have always hated the effects testosterone would have on my body, so estrogen was a given, but while I do identify with certain things that are commonly associated with being a woman... if nothing is inherently gendered, what even is a gender? niko-concern I had a whole little episode about it in the megathread once.

As I went on from there, I realised that while I like certain things about "being a woman", equally I found I'd been sort of stifled by trying to fit into the social role. The women I have always related to most are the cis autistic women who basically yeet presentation in favour of dressing for sensory comfort. Almost kinda non binary, in a way... The more I interrogated binary gender in relation to myself, the more I dug up stuff like this. Also I didn't really like that "woman" is associated with cis people a lot, I really like the trans part of my identity, feel a lot of love for it. I've felt freer and mentally clearer and truer to myself as a Non Binary Transfem, it's cool and funny. What does it mean to me? It represents my goofy sometimes-androgynous presentation, my lack of cissie gender, how being neurodiverse influences my view, being a funny noody goblin. Share yours =)

  • khizuo [ze/zir]
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    I don't know if this is uncommon among nonbinary people or not (certainly seems to be in this thread at least), but I have a gender. I actually have a very strong experience of my personal gender. But my gender is just an extremely subjective personal lens through which I experience the world. Idk if I can encompass all of it in a verbal description, but I will try my best.

    extremely long post

    I was coercively assigned female at birth and I get a lot of dysphoria from that fact. I've always experienced strong social dysphoria, I hate getting perceived/gendered as a girl or woman. I want to take testosterone to fix this, as well as to solve some physical dysphoria problems that I experience (a lot of feelings of incongruence up in this body!) This took me a while to work out, though; for a while I thought that maybe I would be comfortable as a nonbinary person who did not physically transition, until the contradictions sharpened within me or something and I was pushed to the realization that yes, I do in fact want some fat redistribution and a lower voice. Top surgery took me even longer, because I thought for a while that I liked my boobs, but I realized rather recently that I only like them from an aesthetic point of view, and that actually living with them is kind of a huge pain that I would rather not deal with.

    However, while I think I would prefer if (irl) I was perceived as a man, to some level that still makes me uncomfortable. I would only prefer it insomuch as I would prefer it to being perceived as a woman; no more than that. I do not feel like a man, I do not want to be a man. I do not even feel or identify as a masculine person. This is why I do not like using the label "transmasc" for myself even if it technically fits me as a person CAFAB who wants T. This does create some awkward situations sometimes, especially online. I do not fit neatly into transmasc spaces because I really don't find myself identifying with transmasculinity; hexbear is my main online trans community rn. I try my best to delineate that I am not transfem and cannot speak to that experience, while also not incorrectly gendering myself as transmasc. (I hope I'm doing an okay job of that? Sometimes I wonder if I'm doing that poorly.)

    Another aspect to this is HRT, and the fact that I'm not on it yet. I want it, it's been about two years now since I confirmed I wanted it; but in that time I've been living in a very unstable household. I'm going to be temporarily moving out later this year and that's when I plan to get it. I feel like my experience of gender is very subject to change once I inject the funnyman hormones for the first time. Maybe I'll start identifying with transmasculinity then? Who knows.

    Unironically I view my gender through the lens of the things I care about the most. It's like a personal xenogender. My gender is swarming cicadas, it's brutalist architecture, it's the sci-fi megastructure, it's abandoned buildings and rusting metal, it's insect exoskeletons, it's industrial and cyberpunk. It's the art I like best — surrealism, illustration, abstraction, pen and ink, explosions of violent color. It's being a communist and a vegan. It's masking in all public spaces because I still take covid seriously. It's my music taste and fashion sense — I'm a gestures vaguely gothy punky something-or-other, I DIY my clothes and I listen to tunes, I visibly stick out in public because of my fashion and I don't care.

    These are gender markers, to me, the way "skirts" have been constructed as a gender marker for women and "suits" have been constructed as a gender marker for men. I mean, while both of these markers are real phenomena neither of them are innate or immutable, they're all products of the dialectical process of history; so ultimately my personal gender markers are just as real as they are, in a way, even if I'm the only person who sees and accepts them. I'm currently like, theory-crafting an idea that subcultures and aesthetics constitute their own forms of gender in the modern age. There is a performance and a set of interests associated with being goth or punk — almost like there is a performance and set of interests associated with being a "man" or "woman". Of course, they are not yet the same (and within subcultures there are still divisions of gender and a lot of misogyny), but with how the concept of gender is currently shifting in front of our very eyes, I think it's very possible that in the future, gender will be more of a subcultural experience than a superstructural one. Maybe I'm wrong on that one, who knows.

    I'm not a fan of the idea that being nonbinary makes you inherently more "queer" or "transgressive" than being a binary trans person (whatever these categories even mean — I think they're a bunch of fluid, noodly nonsense anyways.) There's a good Lily Alexandre video that sums up my thoughts on that whole discourse. Ultimately, we're all smashing the cissexist notions of gender. Capitalism revolutionized the understanding of gender for millions of people. Should communism win, which I believe it will, I believe a second revolution will come — and this time a better one.

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      3 months ago

      That's based, nice =)

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      Awesome, ty for this excellent writeup! Most of this is things I'm familiar with, this definition of "not ttansmasc" however is new and fresh. Makes sense though honestly. Fwiw I think you are doing the delineating pretty well.

      Kind of exciting how hormones can potentially change your experience or view of gender, wishing you all the good stuff when you inject the funnyman hormones. I do love the way you describe your gender as being the things that matter to you most. Also I do not really like the clothing constructions myself, the gender markers they carry, Idk... Seems weird...

      I agree about binary vs nonbinary genders, why I am excited to hear from Seryph, was hoping to get some binies involved and chattering. We Are All Smashing Cissexist Notions Of Gender!

      Again ty for writing this giant explainer =)

      • khizuo [ze/zir]
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        3 months ago

        Np, I had a lot of fun :)

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        My relationship with the word transmasc is honestly a pretty complicated one, and I don't think it's completely settled yet. I think it's very possible that I may start identifying with the label in the future. Weirdly enough I do not mind if other people view me as transmasc, I just usually don't describe myself that way. I feel like one of the big sticking points for me here is that I do not want to be "masculine" (whatever that means) and I have zero desire to be "one of the boys" like many trans men/transmascs describe. I don't think either of those things are requirements for being transmasc, though... I think I just need to do more gender noodling to work out my feelings around this.

        I think learning a little bit about the history of how gender and sexuality literally changed because of changing material conditions completely just broke any sense I had of "man" and "woman" being immutable categories, lol. The fact that within like a hundred years women wearing pants went from "transgressive gender performance" to "just a Tuesday" renders all cissexist conceptions of gender void so quickly, and that's just one example out of thousands. Skirts are definitely coming back for men within the next century, I'm pretty sure I'll be alive to see it. I'm already seeing the beginnings of it in the hanfu revival movement in China, for example.

        • ashinadash [she/her]
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          3 months ago

          cat-trans

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          Huh... yeah, it is funny lots of transmasc people are not "masculine" in presentation, but if you don't vibe with it due to the masc part, understandable. More gender noodling is always fun and cool though ✨

          Yeah me too!!! None of it actually means anything, it's a bit!!!! "Man" is just a guy someone made up!!! Lol my brain broke in exactly the same way yours has, awesome. Skirts for men will be funny, in the past when dudes wear skirts do they tuck...?

    • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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      3 months ago

      I try my best to delineate that I am not transfem and cannot speak to that experience, while also not incorrectly gendering myself as transmasc. (I hope I’m doing an okay job of that? Sometimes I wonder if I’m doing that poorly.)

      I don't think I noticed you avoid using "transmasc" label. I sorta assumed you were, but I think I treat the label as basically a shorter version of "CAFAB trans person" (and "transfem" as a shorter version of "CAMAB trans person")

      • khizuo [ze/zir]
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        3 months ago

        Honestly I really don't mind if I get viewed as transmasc, I think my not using it is mostly an internal thing. If someone else were to describe me as transmasc I would be fine with it, and like you I sometimes use it as shorthand to describe my being a CAFAB trans person when I'm pressed for time and don't want to get into all the ins and outs of my gender experience (like, when I don't want to write a whole essay like I did here.) "Trans man" does feel very wrong though, that feels like misgendering while "transmasc" does not.

        Usually if asked I will just say I'm "trans", I like that label on its own, short and sweet. I also fuck with "trans guy", wherein guy represents some nebulous masc-ish neutral-ish weird thing (an extremely subjective personal experience with the word which I do not expect other people to share). Other labels I will use are "genderqueer" and "nonbinary". I don't usually say I'm transmasc, but as I said I don't mind if other people describe me with the label. Idk if that's weird? Labels are very strange creatures to me, I do not pretend to understand them. I also feel like it's very possible that I may start using the transmasc label more in the future; it's honestly something that I waffle on a lot.

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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          3 months ago

          Idk if that’s weird?

          Doesn't seem weird to me. I use to be in the same boat. Trans, NB, agender, genderqueer were all good, transfem was a label I thought technically correct but not a fan of using it for myself, and trans woman was a no. Transfem has since grown on me, if for no other reason than no longer feeling like I need to explain my complicated relationship with the label and to avoid calling myself "AMAB" all the time to avoid using that label.

        • MusicOwl [comrade/them, sie/hir]M
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          I have the same feelings with identifying as transfeminine vs trans woman. Transfeminine feels inclusive and closer to right and trans woman mostly feels alienating, and with expectations of cis womanhood that I do not particularly align with. down with cis