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ACAB means ACAB. Anyone posting cop apologia will be banned immediately without question even if I like you.
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Alright folks, let's hear all the things I didn't say.
Since you asked I'd love to hear your explanation for this:
This is you saying that they didn't do such a bad job here considering as soon as they learned information they acted on it and did get her home safe, and especially compared to this the cops are doing WAY worse stuff that we should focus on instead, correct?
But that misses a lot of points as I and others explained. For example, I said:
Another user also pointed out that it is ridiculous that they wouldn't just check the missing peoples registry if there is any suspicion, or even as a matter of protocol, let alone if the person was a 13 year old. I find it highly spurious that they weren't the least bit suspicious of her age, this detail alone, unless it comes out that this 13 year old is like 6'4" and looks 18 this is absolutely wack. Let's be real, this sounds like they "found out" she was 13 like how they often "found out" the suspect was actually unarmed. ACAB is SYSTEMIC, theres a reason why we care about all the manifestations this takes, because you have to see it everywhere to understand that it is a system, otherwise its just a problem with a few racist cops.
but your response was just:
There the fuck WHAT is??
I too want to see this mystery be unravelled.
in my zeal to make this post I accidentally blocked the ACAB comm and all my posts vanished and I spent like 20 minutes messaging mods and being like aahhh what happened?
But I pushed through it and wrote this post and then I hit cancel instead of edit after checking the preview before posting, and then had to rewrite the whole thing. BUT I DID IT ANYWAY
CAUSE I WANNA FUCKIN KNOW
There it is
There the fuck WHAT is??
Yes please! Answer this! This mystery must be solved
I've said a number of times that criticizing the cops is fair here, and that we should check their story. I'm saying this isn't a great one to spread as agitprop because people who are not as hostile to cops as us won't dismiss these facts the way we do.
On a forum with multiple Jeffrey Epstein emojis, a "yeah that 13 year old really seemed like an adult" comment was inevitable. I wasn't really sure what you were getting at or if you were just making an oblique joke.
As for why the cops didn't think "this person isn't really 18" or why they didn't look through photos of missing people: again, criticizing the cops is fair here, and that we should check their story. I don't know how to say that more clearly.
But that isn't what the acab comm is for. It is for posting about cops doing fucked up shit
Ok, I won't comment in the acab comm about whether the stories there are good agitprop.
Would have loved to have had this exchange instead of a bunch of people putting words in my mouth.
who asked you to rank all of our posts on how good of agitprop they are? like why are you even taking this mantle upon yourself?
No you won't because you're banned
You keep going back to that as if it's a good defense. No one cares about your agitprop evaluation fig leaf.
Nobody put words in your mouth. Take some responsibility for what you've actually said.
What I was getting at is theres no way that kid was legitimately believed by the cops to be 18, was that not obvious??
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I refuse to believe you are this stupid. It’s not possible.
No, i think its possible
everyone here is literally reacting to a screencap of exactly what you said. Especially "one big reason people give fake names upon arrest is that they know they are wanted for more serious crimes." I don't even know how that follows from or applies to this story? That the cops were right to hold her because they couldn't verify her identity? Whether or not it's good agitprop is hardly the point, and even if that were all you focused on I'd still disagree.
She's a literal child, and told them as much. They put pictures on Missing Person posters for a reason, CPS couldn't have even looked at her mugshot? How many missing children could a town of 10,000 even have? And even if everything she told them was true its not justification for keeping her in jail without trial nor hearing.
I didn't say the cops handled this well. I said they can be criticized here and we should check their story.
Every country, including AES states, detains people before initial hearings in certain circumstances. One factor in deciding if they should be held in custody or out on bail is "do we even know who this person is?" You don't want a situation where you arrest someone wanted for a serious crime, they lie about their identity, and you let them go -- this is something we clown on cops for fucking up!
I'm not saying this girl was wanted for a serious crime. I'm saying if you were to share this as agitprop without reading the article, a lot of people you're trying to agitate will come back with observations like this, because "cops let serious criminal slip through their fingers due to laziness" is basically a cliché in popular crime stories.
her being 13 really undermines this for me. That fact should have been obvious. They should have been looking for her parents not letting her sit in gen pop for 2 weeks not giving a shit, because they had the cop-out excuse of "she's unidentified and homeless" to just throw away the key. That's what makes it good agitprop, a random 13 year old girl is not a fuckin murderer (and would be highly known/wanted if she were), and even if they couldn't find her parents for some reason, she should have been with CPS not in jail.
What an AES state might or might not do doesn't determine what I think capitalist states can do. AES states presumably have a lot less purposefully un/underdocumented homeless populations, and a lot more (and more justified) trust in government. When you put barriers in place of people getting and keeping valid identity documents you shouldn't be surprised when people start showing up without them
I'm not on the "hope this person gets banned from 'grad" train, but I do think this wasn't a great take and certainly didn't "read the room"
My disagreement with you is solely limited to whether this is good agitprop.
I brought up how pretrial detention is used everywhere, including in AES states, because when we use stories like this to say things like "its not justification for keeping her in jail without trial nor hearing," we show our ass a bit. Lots of persuadable people out there would point out that there's a reason some people are held before trial; it's not some unique horror of the U.S. criminal legal system. We make the exact same argument when libs push "China bad because they exercise authority" articles.
What makes it good agitprop is that she's 13 and the cops didn't give a fuck, it shows their inhumanity. And idk, if china holds people for weeks or months without a hearing I'd be critical of that too, generally. Not all lib "evil CCP must go" levels of mad about it, but certainly it's not ideal.
Edit: they did give her a bail hearing. so feel free to scratch the bit about "without trial nor hearing" It was cash bail though, and it still feels like the word "homeless" was all it took for the jailers to give zero shits and throw away the key
edit 2: ultimately what people are mad about IMO, is the fact that they felt scolded for posting about this here, which is you know, not a mixed space and not primarily/solely for agitprop. The phrasing was some shit people harboring liberal opinions about police love to trot out.
Why are you choosing to die on this hill?
Trying to armchair theorycraft why a story about cops being fucking pigs to a minor as suboptimal "agitprop" codes to me as someone who sees themselves as a planner and manipulator, or is trying to portray themselves as 'pragmatic' with regards to signal boosting and spreading stories that serve a narrative, and tells me they have some kind of experience, real or imagined, that leads them to naturally think like this. Maybe they're doing a "how do you do, fellow leftists" thing, and their specific brand of neurodivergence and employment is making them give the game away, or maybe it's just somebody that has been told they're very smart their whole life and has never had that challenged, and never been forced to confront themselves or ever do meaningful self crit - the positioning of making this about its value as propaganda in order to play it down comes off as kinda 5D chess-y to me in a way that's either accidentally sincere or delusional.
The inability to present any kind of thoughtfulness or empathy, the inability to read the room, to not understand why the story was posted and shared, to resist constructive criticism outright and get lost in dumb fights just comes off like exactly the kind of guy that will die on this hill because they're a fool, or because they're trying to stir shit up. Either way he sucks and needs to go to therapy or work on himself.
I think you're reading too much into it. They're just a cringey nerd who's insecure that no one takes them seriously in real life. They try to explain this by thinking that because other leftists act like weird cranks, they aren't taken seriously by normal people since everyone else assume they're a weird leftist crank when the real reason why normal people don't take them seriously is because they're a cringey insecure nerd. Hence the obsession with optics.
Well fuck you too
What you actually said is bad enough
Giving a fake name isn't illegal dipshit, it doesn't matter if, and I quote
You can tell a cop any fucking name you want and that's not an offense. Of course it's a miscarriage of justice to hold a teenager - an age group known explicitly for being petulant to authority as they begin to explore the boundaries of authority - in prison for two weeks while her family believed her to be missing
Give your fucking head a shake, it's been rammed up your ass too long
Never said it was
Used that exact phrase to describe this in the original post
You are screaming at someone who agrees with you
By saying that it's bad optics to use this as agitprop, you are indirectly conceding that this child giving a fake name and story to the cops is grounds for this miscarriage of justice to be dismissed
The fact you cannot see this contradiction in your viewpoint is so astounding I can only assume it's intentional and you're just stirring shit for fun
jesus christ debate pervert get your rocks off yourself and do some fucking self crit instead of involving us in your kink