Vote.

  • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
    3·
    4 years ago

    Except PSL turned their votes into real on the ground organizing in disadvantaged communities while the Green Party turned their votes into seething liberals.

                • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  PSL is the only Socialist group that does anything in the black neighborhoods here. DSA will table outside JHU to talk to kids who will become millionaires within the next 15 years while PSL organizes and radicalizes entire section 8 apartment buildings in their anti-slumlord campaign. They actually have old black grannies becoming MLs and joining the party. This is the green party

          • mrbigcheese [he/him]
            2·
            4 years ago

            Why are you confused about people supporting the party who they agree with? They put together this entire campaign why the hell wouldn't I give them my vote? What the fuck has the green party done for me to support them?

          • PhaseFour [he/him]
            3·
            4 years ago

            Getting votes DOES matter to the Greens goals

            This is why I refuse to vote for them lmao, their "goals" are unattainble.

      • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
        3·
        4 years ago

        Millions of people see their name on the ballot without knowing who they are. Then they see a bunch of people voted for them after the election, and a tiny fraction of them look into it and get involved. Even if 10,000 PSL votes translate into one new cadre, it's better than everything the green party has done for the last 20 years.

        Look at the conversation we are having. It's about Howie vs La Riva for a spot they won't ever win. The fact that it's PSL and not the CPUSA or WWP or SAlt that we are talking about matters. Even if the party will never win an election, having PSL on the ballot and getting votes legitimizes them in a way that other parties can't.

        I don't give a shit what the green party does. They're just a bunch of crystal healer boomers and conspiracy cranks that lose elections and do literally nothing else. What I want is for Communists and other revolutionary minded socialists to quit their microparties and join PSL and do good work on the ground bringing actual Proles into the ranks and not just PMCs with politics brain

          • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
            2·
            4 years ago

            Whatever dude vote for the crank party. I'm sure they will get 5% and then the government will give them public fundarinos and the government definitely won't just change the laws, then in 40 years when we definitely still have a liberal democracy we can get a GP supermajority and pass a bill establishing socialism :ferret:

              • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
                1·
                4 years ago

                PSL is objectively gaining traction from running in elections and one tiny chapter of PSL does more good work in a month than the Green Party has its entire existence

          • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
            3·
            4 years ago

            Because objectively PSL getting more votes legitimizes them and draws politically active people towards them. That's literally the whole reason for running. You guys just want to own the libs by splitting their vote. I'm not a child and I see the benefit of voting for PSL.

              • PhaseFour [he/him]
                1·
                4 years ago

                that’s more evidence for voting being fucked

                Why do you need more evidence lmao

                5% election fundarinos, at least if the feds fuck them out of it

                They will strip funding if Libertarians or Greens break 5%. That's not a question.

                literally why vote PSL outside of some magic wishful thinking that getting a fraction of a percent or changing that to 1% will “get us more supporters”

                If someone asks me why I support La Riva, I can give an honest answer. That's about it. "Electoral strategizing" is embarrassing when the rules will always change to fuck the working class.

                  • PhaseFour [he/him]
                    ·
                    4 years ago

                    it’s a good thing hawkins seems p. cool then too

                    He does not recognize that the existing state must be crushed for any political change to happen. That's a huge misunderstanding of reality.

                    Man it’s a shame constantly changing rules isn’t useful propaganda to serve to radicalize the fucked over working class

                    Correct. It is not useful propaganda. Everyone knows politics is rigged.

                    We should vote for a party that has 0% chance of prompting any of that to happen

                    From what I've seen this year, PSL has done significantly more to radicalize the working class than Greens. I have seen literally nothing from the Greens.

                    They are just a bourgeois democratic party. All they do is run elections. The working class needs mass popular politics to create change. The Greens are not serious about building that. They are, at best, not helpful.

              • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
                2·
                4 years ago

                Greens getting 5% or more would also be a signal to libs and dems, not that y’all give a shit, that might lead to at least some capitulation

                the party most likely to actually break any electoral threshold AND which has candidates who could, idk, win state or local elections maybe

                :cope: