When Trump brought the cat and dog thing up at the debate, I thought he was cooked and that nobody in the right frame of mind, not even the average chud, would believe it, but the next day people at my work were talking about how true it is and that it needs to be stopped. It's amazing and scary how easily people are quick to believe something without a shred of evidence.
Even my mom texted me a mugshot of a woman who was arrested for killing and trying to eat a cat. But when I replied that it happened in a completely different city and the suspect was a US born citizen with mental issues, she said that the suspect was actually Haitian, it happened in Springfield and the police are pretending it happened somewhere else to make their town look good.
I don't even know how to respond to a take like that. Just a year or so ago she was happy to see Alex Jones getting canceled for threatening families of the kids who died at Sandy Hook. Now she's believing and forwarding Jones-grade conspiracy shit, and she couldn't care less about school shootings anymore. It's depressing as fuck.
Foreigners eating cats and dogs is one of the biggest and most widely believed conspiracies in like every western country and has been for the last hundreds of years. What did your grandmother think was in wanton soup?
Nothing Trump says should surprise you. In a culture like America's, a man like Trump is not an aberration but an over conformist. The chuds are all able to instantly able to believe Trumpian nonsense because it isn't just Trump telling them the lie, it is their entire culture.
Absolutely. This hooked into preexisting urban legends. I heard this stuff over and over growing up. A pet never just runs away in the suburbs, it's always poisoned by dark forces, captured for food, or stolen for fights.
It's a continuation of the maga strategy has been hooking into these types of conspiratorial trends that were previously not tapped as voting blocks. They're called "fringe groups" or "fringe ideas" a lot but they're not really fringe, just unorganized and untapped.
What did your grandmother think was in wanton soup?
Don't get great-grandpa started about It*l**n food 🤢
I'm old enough to remember when no one would eat sushi because it was gross. Also distinctly remember going to a generic meditteranian place when I was a young child and having to be coaxed to try anything. The food situation in America was dire forty years back.
In one of the first episodes of the original TMNT, April O'Neil goes ”ew, gross” when Splinter offers her sushi. That's probably even more dated than the turtles' surfer lingo.
(back when everyone thought sushi automatically meant raw fish too)
Lol, there really was a period of a few years where the hollywood line on asian )mostly japanese) stuff went from "this character is eating sushi because they are sinister and foreign" to " this character owns a bansai tree because they are cultured and well-travelled and not afraid of the sinister foreigners, one or two of whom might even be his friends."
I’ve noticed that too. Specifically with how westerners addressed anime and also pokemon in the 90s/2000s. It was usually hit or miss but way too many times anime/video games from Japan had some weird orientalism strapped onto it when discussed….like because it was Asian there just had to be something malevolent going on.
I even remember as a kid in kindergarten wearing my favorite Pokemon t-shirt at the time and one kid did the meme and told me “you’re so lucky, my mommy doesn’t let me watch those Chinese cartoons.”
Holy shit, seeing how everyone and their mother in Hollywood at the time needed to address sushi was hilarious.
So many sitcoms had to have an episode where the suburbanite white middle-class family spent half the episode afraid of sushi, eventually tried it, and had a lesson of “hey, maybe some of these weird brown people aren’t so scary after all!”
I mentioned it before but one thing I think has improved tremendously in the US is the food scene. For the most part this attitude on stuff like sushi has stayed in the past. thank God.
My partner and I always have a laugh comparing the food our kid eats vs what we used to eat when we were growing up
Take it from someone who is older Gen Z. One of the few things I can say that has genuinely improved in the US, even in middle america, is the food scene. Surprisingly too in such a relatively short amount of time.
As a kid, even risotto got me a few weird looks from other kids who just had lunchables and goldfish, but now that I’m the substitute teacher sometimes I see grilled veggies that look like someone seasoned them….and I’m stuck in some podunk suburb in a RED state.
As recent as 2018, I’d get boomers in line in the grocery store look at my almond milk funny and actually quiz me on why I don’t like dairy. Before I knew it those questions died real fast.
It’s a small victory, but a victory nonetheless.
Don't get great-grandpa started about It*l**n food 🤢
Don't trust them, that's not actually pineapple on your pizza.
Wonton soup? Wontons, mostly. Now, the wanton soup they made down at the bathhouse...
Straight up projection
The first thing the brits did getting to North America was roast some local dogs
Researchers uncovered the remains of six dogs of indigenous ancestry, and found that they were eaten by the settlers of the Virginia Company in Jamestown – the first permanent English settlement in North America.
It isn't mine, it is something I stole from some feminist discussions about how to understand men who rape in a rape culture.
There were, but afaik most cultures that did have gradually adopted the view that cats and dogs are not food animals. I think it's partially due to the spread of western cultural norms around pets and partially due to folks having more disposable income for pets.
Plus, euros have traditionally eaten cat and dog among the impoverished. Cat was euphemistically called "roof rabbit" as a dressed cat carcass wasn't much different from a rabbit carcass. The big give away was rabbit doesn't taste like rancid piss from the ammonia.
They do. I think some people in this thread are swinging too far the other way - yes, some cultures normalize eating cats and dogs. It is what it is, I'm not a vegan and I don't believe there's anything intrinsically wrong with it. A Burmese family in a trailer park near where I live got the cops called on them by the local Crazy Cat Karen for catching and eating strays a few years back.
The problem is not one of "barbaric" foreigners needing to be kept out; it's a failure to educate new immigrants on American customs beyond their ability to parrot jingoistic slogans, remember the names of presidents and holidays, and denounce Communism.
Burgerbrains also want to be Trump. It's their whole desire to be slumlord billionaire with gaudy golden elevators and toilets.
because usian are racist, incredibly fucking racist, almost as racist as europeans talking about the Roma
Usians in tears after europeans break out their secret weapon to win the racism competition
when hitler died all his particles spread around europe wherein they still remain. We like to pretend we're better, but we're not.
and after listening to their hitlerite screed, pointing out that this is literally a hitlerite screed they will go fucking ballistic. It's great.
Man, fuck the "Haitians eating pets" bullshit, how are we still okay as a nation with cosigning a genocide? Was I trying to reform a populace of Yankee Hitlers this whole time? Is no one thinking that the biggest perpetrators of collaboration should see the gallows before time can claim them?
This election cycle has honestly taken me to a point of genuine hatred for Amerikans. Like... I'm talking separatist hatred. I might not have agreed with a lot of Grandmaster Jay's nonsense, but I think I've finally understood the root of why he did what he did. I don't even want to be tarred with the steadily-putrefying cracker brush anymore. My skin is Black, and my aim is self-determination for my people. White Amerikan liberals cannot be trusted to be stewards of our destinies, nor can the misleaders who worship at their low-quarters.
Between the humanitarian terror of covid and the blue maga/democrat fascist genocide support i'm starting to think that the sins of this guilty nation, blood, etc.
I find myself quoting Brown terrifyingly often these days.
Does he have any writings to read or is it all just historians writing about him?
From what I've been able to tell, mostly just historical recountings; though if something's out there I haven't stumbled across I'd like to be made aware of it. Most of what I quote's his last words.
Was I trying to reform a populace of Yankee Hitlers this whole time?
Yes
Was I trying to reform a populace of
YankeeHitlers this whole time?- Eduard Bernstein.
Yes
- Rosa Luxembourg.
Was I trying to reform a populace of Yankee Hitlers this whole time?
Yes. Hence why reform doesn't work.
Is no one thinking that the biggest perpetrators of collaboration should see the gallows before time can claim them?
Class consciousness is non existent in the USA. We look up to and trust in people who hold positions of power rather than shaping and holding them accountable.
"The Dem party is the good party, they must have reasons we don't understand for doing what they're doing, they can't just be supporting a genocide because they support genocide."
White Amerikan liberals cannot be trusted to be stewards of our destinies
No liberals can, liberalism/individualism cannot lead to the changes necessary for the future, many can't even comprehend them
hey, who is grandmaster jay? im not american so i think im missing the reference
He runs/used to run the Not Fuckin Around Coalition; NFAC. Reason I couch his status is because he recently got pinched on what I still feel is a bogus firearms charge; mostly bc I never believe the feds when they're talking about locking up a Black man who was building an armed formation, and when he got pinched, activities seemed to stop. A lot of my issue with his coalition is that while they were self-determinist and (theoretically, at least; I never saw any purchases occur myself) fixated on acquiring land to attempt to build a Black state on, they were also a heavily Abrahamic, patriarchal formation that by the time I had found them, were already getting into Tariq Nasheed-esque colorism and shit.
There was a whole lot there to disagree with, is my point; but from where I sit, at the very least, he was right on preparation for self defense, and he was right trying to nation-build.
Theres no hope for whites - i personally think we (i am white) should be eradicated
Or in a funnier fashion i wanna bring back "seperate but equal" but instead make the whites get the short end of tje deal, it would be insanely funny
They want to believe it. They want to feel superior to those they feel are lesser than. It's always been that way
the lead thing is so real. my parents are boomers and the cognitive/emotional decay is exponential. the decline in the last 10, 5, and 1 year is remarkable.
luckily they aren't chuddy, but they do not seem to understand complex things anymore. meanwhile, they feel their mental faculties and critical analysis skills are at their peak and that they should absolutely be in charge of things and still be allowed to drive.
when it's pointed out, with evidence, that they don't seem to have that capacity anymore and that they're just repeating things they saw on their favorite TV shows as facts, emotional disregulation quickly manifests.
personally, I've been planning my sunset years since I was 30, around the central organizing concepts that I will have a very meager fixed income, increasingly limited mobility beyond shuffling around, and be kind of slow upstairs. none of those things precludes happiness and satisfaction.
but so many boomers are on some other kind of shit where they gotta stunt on their cohort, travel all over, drive nice new cars, and have big homes (that they can't maintain). it looks exhausting and so expensive.
Red sails dot org slash masses elites and rebels
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
I think this other one works well here too. A little more explicitly focused on the hysterical narratives chuds indulge themselves in
Fuck I can’t believe I mixed up my RS articles that’s the one I was thinking of
My rebuttal to the fucking nerds that think literally everything is ruZZian disinformation is, look at the americans willing to eat that shit up. They love it! Who gives a fuck if Putin himself dreamed up the propaganda, there's a huge audience of racist boomers in america willing to spread it around. It says more about us than it does about fucking Russia.
Yes I know this conspiracy came from Trump but I still had this on my mind.
Because they don’t want to get rid of their guns but they do want to get rid of black people
The school shootings are perpetrated by whites. Meanwhile the immigrants being targeted by this rhetoric are not white.
It’s that simple.
Yaasy, we're at the pogroms stage of the US. Well, guess we've been there a while if you count Isn'treal.
We could probably have a pretty good discussion on how immigration raids have taken the role of pogroms in euro societies. Sort of a beaurocratic, legalish, less overtly violent evolution.
There are a lot of parallels between the modern raids in the USA and Europe and the olden times when the whites would smash up some business in the Jim Crow era or the local official in the tsardom would tell the Cossacks to go fuck up the Jews because it was like a pressure valve for the unrest boiling under the surface of pre-industrial Russia
In true American fashion, the American people have outsourced their racist violence to the state.
I watched the incredulous dipshit go to Springfield to interview people- and I think his purpose was to encourage the cat-eating story. In doing so, every Haitian he interviewed was reasonable "I'm only hear to work hard and build a good life" and they ALL laughed when asked about the cat thing- "never heard of this, that's ridiculous".
ALL of the white people he interviewed (that he showcased anyway) were basically protagonists from the Turner Diaries. ALL of them reinforcing the cat-eating narrative. Some of the most repellent examples of the Ohio man on display there. ALL of them saying "yeah we had more cats around until the Haitians got here- then they started disappearing".
Since, given an undeserving degree of generosity, it's at the very least anecdotal bullshit- I choose to believe that IF cats are disappearing from the streets, I'm thinking maybe Haitians are taking cats off the streets as pets and giving them good homes instead. Which is a much more sane explanation.
School shootings are normalized. No one really cares anymore. It's quite literally old news - the media has been mining it for fear and outrage for 25 years with nothing changing.
The anti-Haitian racism thing is tied to current ongoing political drama, there's novelty, there's silliness to it ("oh i don't really believe that i'm just owning the libs" shit). It gives
an excuse to be turbo racist, an " adult" with authority said it.Idk, americans are fucking bizarre.
Have you never met a White USian?
There's nothing in the world they love more than their pets, certainly love their dogs more than other humans. They provide a better living standard for their pets than they would ever permit States to provide for workers. And there's nothing they fear and hate more than Black people. But make them Black people who also happen to be immigrants, another choice group to hate, with ambiguous connections to voodoo, accuse them of eating beloved pets, and you got yourself some predictable White suburbanite outrage.
Yeah, exactly. They want to believe it because they believe it's beneficial to themselves to hate foreigners and immigrants.
CHUDs are good minions. They’re able to suspend their disbelief in something to simply go along with it if it is convenient to believe and believing it is no different to them than a soldier just following orders.
EDIT: disregard what I said about calling chuds “sheeple”.
Nah, I was around for the original release of sheeple. Never caught on, always made you sound like a cospiracy dork and a huge asshole.
Chud works because it's an absurd insult - you live underground and eat people. Sheeple is too grounded and there's an actual potential action people could take to beat the allegation.
The real has become so utterly hopeless that conjuring up narratives of good against evil is the only way for many people to cope.
