Everyone has hot takes, let this thread be your safe space to unleash fire on us.

  • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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    Oh look the Bidenist-Revisionist is here to tell us that Marxism-Leninism is obsolete despite 100% of historical successful revolutions and 100% of existing Socialist States being Marxist-Leninist

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          You can have your own hot take, just don't be an asshole to someone else's hot take in a hot take thread. The purpose of a hot take thread is to get people to air ideas they may not be 100% confident in and have the community sound them out. Snippy replies do nothing but frustrate that purpose; again, real wrecker shit.

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            Oh wow everyone in here has the super original take that actually Marxism is obsolete and we need a new reformist type of socialism! Definitely not the same horseshit we have been hearing from the western chauvinist left for the past 200 years that has made them a joke in the global communist community and never have a single success.

            I’m sorry your civility politics is more important to you than not repeating revisionist tropes over and over ad Infinitum

            • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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              Oh wow everyone in here has the super original take

              If a bunch of people are saying the same thing, maybe you should honestly address that instead of sarcastically dismissing it. If a bunch of people are downbearing you and telling you you're acting like a wrecker, maybe you should take a step back and do some self-crit.

              • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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                A million western succs have made this same argument for 200 years. They have defeated themselves by being continuously useless and wrong and never winning

                • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                  So explain to the people who are broadly on your side why they should agree with you without being a smug asshole about it. Condescendingly pissing people off instead of putting in the effort to get them on board is a hallmark of liberalism, and is a big reason why everyone hates libs.

                  • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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                    Respectability tone policing shit

                    There are tons of perfectly polite Marxists, I am not one of them. Some people require bullying and mockery of they will stay stuck in their ways.

                    Succs and ultras that parrot century old utopian tropes are even more outdated than Marxists, and maybe they require sufficient mockery before they realize they are a meme

    • Sandals [none/use name]
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      I don't think that is a fair summary of my points, nor what I said.

      The science is solid, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't. Trotsky and Lenin literally fought a revolution together. Modern leftists who use their titles can't sit in the same room. As long as this is the case, we can't win.

      • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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        Trotsky and Lenin fought together because Trotsky was a Marxist and a Leninist. It wasn’t until later that Trotsky began his campaign of revisionism and betrayal

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      You made me create an account to respond to this. I'm very tired of online MLs holding a monopoly on the claim of "all historical successful revolutions are ML revolutions." Not only is this claim just untrue, the one that follows it is laughably sad, because ML is also responsible for 100% of degenerated worker states. The October Revolution wasnt ML so dont even pretend you get that one either. Sandals is correct with this take. ML hasnt done anything in the 21st century, its frankly a bastardization of Marx. All tendencies are just following loosely in what some guy said, but the material conditions they were in are vastly different than the ones we are in. Online MLs remind me of preachy evangelicals, always saying "comrade" or preaching down on you while they have the audacity to support Stalin as a great theorist. "the law of value and commodity production continues into communism." What utter shit. Rant over.

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        October Revolution was Marxist and Leninist and the formulation that Marxism-Leninism was based off of, so yes it was ML.

        If you are so tired of MLs having the sole mantle of successful revolutionaries then try winning a revolution sometime.

        Of course all “degenerated worker states” are ML, as MLs are the only ones to create ANY worker states

        Imagine making an account to post Trotskyite dribble lol

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          Im not a trot but go off. Lenin wasnt a "Leninist", he was a Marxist. God MLs are allergic to reading. Being proud of a degenerated worker state is peak cope and LARP. You didnt do anything in the various peasant revolutions around the world. Stop larping on the internet for 2 god damn minutes

            • feeeq [he/him]
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              "i can only categorize opinions i dislike as the opinions of various tendencies i disagree with." Im not here for a flame war. Im not a trot, i dont agree with perm rev, im not an ML, im not anything.

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                “I’m not anything”

                The famous “not anything” revolution of 1965, ah of course.

                Why should I be lectured on socialism by a “not anything” who disregards history and believes themselves above it?

                • Sandals [none/use name]
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                  How will you win a revolution with no allies? Congratulations, you've successfully purity-tested us. Now you're alone.

                  • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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                    Also I am not alone. I have a billion communists throughout the world on my side. I am participating in the real communist movement. It’s you who is alone