• PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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    17 hours ago

    Improbable female authority figure

    Lmao tell me you are basement incel stereotype with zero actual people contact without telling me you are basement incel stereotype with zero actual people contact

  • ultraviolet [she/her]
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    23 hours ago

    anyone who is this obsessed with "woke" in video games needs to have their computer forcibly taken away and sent to a gulag and be forced to touch grass until they become normal

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    Canonically literally every Space Marine (except for the Blood Angels IIRC) should have dark skin when exposed to sunlight and then (except for the Salamanders) flash to an unnatural pallor when they step inside, because one of the mutations they get is photochromic skin to protect them from getting sunburns while still ensuring they get enough vitamin D. That sounds incredibly stupid and like I just made it up but that is the actual canon from the lore, along with Space Marines eating their enemies brains to gain their knowledge and having acid spit like the xenomorph.

    Warhammer 40K is a very silly franchise and the art direction does it a disservice by not leaning into it more.

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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      1 day ago

      Back during the Rogue Trader and 2nd edition days was when it was absolutely obvious

      Noise marines killing dudes by rocking out

      Harlequins dancing around in clashing loud colors

      Squats

      • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        I miss the old design for Noise Marines, back when they had colorful Mohawks and wielded electric guitars.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 day ago

          I miss Doomrider's fun tabletop rules, including the chance of wandering off on a manic whim on a specific die roll every turn.

          Basically the Doctor Rockso of 40k.

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      1 day ago

      Also the Emperor is from somewhere in what is now Turkey and canonically the most common language the humans speak ("Gothic") is descended from Mandarin and is just artistically portrayed as being Latin based because "High Gothic" is supposed to scan as archaic in the way that inserting incorrect Latin into English does.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        the humans speak ("Gothic") is descended from Mandarin and is just artistically portrayed as being Latin based because "High Gothic" is supposed to scan as archaic in the way that inserting incorrect Latin into English does

        According to Matt Ward and his clumsy glazing for the Grey Knights, they actually have the letters of K N I G H T stamped on their baby carriage armor.

        • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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          1 day ago

          Matt Ward is such an awful writer that exposure to his prose is an actual psychic damage hazard.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            1 day ago

            I'll never forget when a fucking Games Workshop puff piece writer interviewed him and asked about the whole (CW: gore)

            spoiler

            "Grey Knights butchering Sisters of Battle to make magical talismans out of their body parts to ostensibly 'protect' them from the evils of the Warp in a totally not-evil way"

            thing and Matt Ward was fucking giggling during his response about how cool and epic that was.

            I swear, that shit was so awful that just seeing the word "gray/grey" describing things in fiction made me pre-emptively groan in anticipation of even more "all the cool perks of evil but you can't call this power fantasy wankjob evil, maaaaaan" edgelord writing.

            • vegeta1 [none/use name]
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              1 day ago

              Thats probably the only context gamers like in OP are fine with seeing women.

                • vegeta1 [none/use name]
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                  1 day ago

                  I think that even got removed from canon. It wasn't even necessary tbh the point of the grey knights is they are downright impossible to corrupt. Hell they have kaldor draigo roaming the warp for hundreds of years (although hes like a gary stu)

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                    1 day ago

                    That already sounds like bullshit developer-preference power fantasy to me. Matt Ward just liked to giggle at gory acts of misogyny I suppose.

                    • vegeta1 [none/use name]
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                      1 day ago

                      I keep saying 40k is over the top and even that was just goofy. The emperor gets fed 1000 psykers a day to keep him going. Then I remember covid coming along and over 1000 were dying a day and it was seen as acceptable sacrifice to grease the wheels of this machine and suddenly you realise FUCK

                      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                        24 hours ago

                        40k is about over the top absurd stakes like needing mass sacrifice to maintain a psychic beacon to navigate through space.

                        Burgerland is about needing mass sacrifice so the treats are more convenient.

                        • vegeta1 [none/use name]
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                          And the former is somehow more..... Reasonable? If the golden throne collpases humanity is fucked unless the small chance of the star child happens. The latter...... Lol who is the over the top world 40k are the fanatics yet here we arei-cant

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        You have a source for Gothic being Mandarin-descended? Never heard that before, but I could see it. The imperial palace being in the himalayas would certainly put it geographically in the correct place, but I don't remember from where he started the unification wars.

        • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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          1 day ago

          I think it's something from an old Rogue Trader article? So it may be more a metacommentary from an old writer sort of thing, that Gothic would have been descended from Mandarin with a bunch of English vocabulary mixed in, albeit all unrecognizable after tens of thousands of years of sound changes.

          • barrbaric [he/him]
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            1 day ago

            Just checked and Lexicanum has the following sentence on Low Gothic:

            Low Gothic is a bastardised version of High Gothic, combining additional elements from several of the oriental languages of ancient Terra.

            So close enough, but it still had to hit the 80's racism quotient lol.

  • Des [she/her, they/them]
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    1 day ago

    the imperium is undeniably human supremacist but has no problem putting every gender into the meat grinder equally

    like, this has always been the canon these fucks just want to think it's some tradcath space future

  • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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    1 day ago

    improbable female authority figure

    female authority figure is Cadian

    Cadia is (yes, Cadia still stands. fite me chaos nerds) a world where every human with a pulse and an age above 5 is handed a rifle and sent to boot camp because LITERAL HELL IS RIGHT THERE, JUST LOOK UP AT THE DAEMONS COMING TO GET YOU

    Bruh.

    Ultramarines are improbably diverse

    Ultramar is literally Space Rome, a massive cosmopolitan space empire consisting of 500 worlds and trillions of people

    capitaldcolon

    I'm going to find this person and beat them with my worn-out copy of Know No Fear until they stop whining about the existence of women and black people long enough to have at least a cursory knowledge of the lore they're butchering.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      17 hours ago

      I remember part from the book about Ursula Creed ("Creed: Ashes of Cadia"), which was sadly the only good part of that book, where some general during war council tried to use Ursarkar against Ursula "What would your daddy do" and she straight up responded: "My father commanded over the worst disaster in entire history of Cadia. Excuse me but i would prefer to win"

    • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      Yeah, them being angry that a Cadian woman is calling shots shows how they don't know the lore.

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        21 hours ago

        Cadia literally has child soldiers. Like they teach their kids how to use a gun before they teach them to read. In the event of a demonic invasion, Cadians expect toddlers to man the front lines. Fact: adult women are stronger than a five-year-old boy.

        • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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          21 hours ago

          What's the phrase?: "A Cadian that can't field strip a gun by 4 was born on the wrong planet."

          • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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            17 hours ago

            Still has, they just gathered the remanants and get new planet, but did not changed their ways. Whiteshields are still getting trained and still thrown into grinder at 15-16 year old. Maybe even younger now because the supply of recruits is short.

  • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
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    1 day ago

    "improbably diverse", "improbable female authority figure".

    Holy shit these nerds need to get a life.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      23 hours ago

      It's a game series about big muscle guys fighting psychic fungus orks and there are spaceships powered by magic. But black people and women are the improbable parts

    • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      I've seen them call GTA VI "forced diversity". Please explain how Latino characters in South Florida are forced.

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      1 day ago

      38,000 years in the future and 1 million fuckin worlds and these dipshits are talking about "improbably diverse" lmao

    • VHS [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      If they go outside they'll be offended at how improbably diverse it is

      One of their reviews was complaining that a NYC-set game had a majority of POC characters. NYC is 30% white IRL

      • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        Crackers wouldn’t last ten seconds without minorities whether they want to admit it or not.

        If they ever got their precious ethnostate, who would they have to look down on?

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 day ago

          If they ever got their precious ethnostate, who would they have to look down on?

          The gays, probably. But they wouldn't stop there. Fascists need to purge nonstop until fascism burns itself out.

      • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
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        1 day ago

        pronouns "I go to games to escape current year politics and they shove all this political stuff in it! FUCKING PRONOUNS! pronounjak-rage

  • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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    1 day ago

    ...Y'know, I see shit like this out of Ultramarine touchers all the time; and then people wonder why I refuse to fuck with the IP.

    • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 day ago

      Every time I think "hm, this could be fun," I remember what Warhammer fans can be like and immediately go back to "nah."

      Too much money to play with the worst dredges of reactionary racist dorks. I'd rather enjoy my free time.

      • Beaver [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        Anyone who's main army are Ultramarines is sus.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        I left my Orky Boyz behind in CA because they'd have been too much fuss to move to the east coast, and I don't know of any local 40k venues in my new area... but on the upside I don't have to hear any more blue curtained admiration of space fascism or babbling about "heresy" or "xenos" when those paint-huffers are talking about current events either.

        • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 day ago

          I don't have to hear any more blue curtained admiration of space fascism or babbling about "heresy" or "xenos" when those paint-huffers are talking about current events either

          Tabletop games last for hours, too. I can't imagine voluntarily spending the better part of an afternoon like this.

          Building and painting the models seems kinda fun, and I'm sure the game is fun with the right people.

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        21 hours ago

        Tabletop wargames aren't just 40k. 40k is just the largest group. A lot of places will play historical games (like War of the Roses or Napoleonics), small indie games (Gaslands, Turnip28, Trench Crusade), established franchises with a cult following (Battletech, Warmachine, Frostgrave, Confrontation), or internet community projects (Wyrd Wars, Renegade Scout, One Page Rules).

        So if you want to get into tabletop games, don't let 40k stop you. If you have friends who you play games with, you can always make forces for two players and play together like you would a boardgame or RPG.

  • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
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    1 day ago

    Daily reminder that ~literally the FIRST~ early Space Marine kits included female Space Marines, and if you remind the average 40K fan of that you'd better have an umbrella ready for the fash tears.

    • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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      22 hours ago

      Personally I don't think they sold like shit because they were women, either. I think they sold like shit because they look like complete shit. Even the best paint jobs on those two models still look awful.

      • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
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        21 hours ago

        Yeah the faces on them are really rough, basically impossible to make them look good. Then there's the hilariously tiny waists - even corseted Sisters of Battle don't look that thin!

        But speaking of SOBs, I've got a whole company of the original pewter SOB models and those still look great. GDubs figured out how to sculpt heads and just decided not to give FSMs another go, which is a shame.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      It's true that there were a pair of models of FSM back in ye olde Rogue Trader days (Female Warrior Gabs and Female Warrior Jayne), but they weren't in the first batch. The first space marine model was the metal LE2 Imperial Space Marine in '85 (or possibly '86), followed by the RTB01 plastic kit in Sept '87 which came out at the same time as Warhammer 40k: Rogue Trader (aka 1st edition). Gabs and Jayne were metal models ordered individually from a miscellaneous "Adventurers" release in Spring '88.

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 day ago

    I fell into a rabbit hole and started watching Warhammer lore videos a few years ago and then something - I don't know exactly what, maybe tone of voice or word choices - made me fall into another rabbit hole of searching for the content creators + feminism to see if they had gone on some insane rant and so many of them had made a "very special video" on the subject.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      Bruva Alfabusa was a fun time with his "If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device" series... until Games Workshop lawyered that to death. :(

        • Gay_Tomato [they/them, it/its]
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          13 hours ago

          it was miserable experience, he should just disappear after TTS ended.

          jesse-wtf I can understand not liking world of darkness buts a bit of an extreme reaction to content that isn't your jam.

          • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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            13 hours ago

            I do like world of darkness, its like my second rpg ever (though i prefer mage and vampire in it, and rather the old editions than new ones) i just find the distance between TTS and this grotesque

            • Gay_Tomato [they/them, it/its]
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              12 hours ago

              i just find the distance between TTS and this grotesque

              He did want to just "disappaer" after the TT series ended but the internet stormed his patreon on mass. Its not just Alfabusa anymore and they aren't just limited to a single series anymore. That being said its understandable if it reminds you too much of TTS to watch (as far as Im aware they could continue making TTS along side this the moment GW stops being a baby) though I personally like the things can they do with these characters without the chud restrictions of the warhammer brand (like just causally making most of the cast openly queer) more. I'd like to recommend you watch there more orginal tabletop mage series hopefully its more for you.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 day ago

          The Ultramarine commander being deeply depressed because of the sheer plot armor and absurd win rate of his forces susie-laugh

          • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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            17 hours ago

            I read books about Cato Sicarius and they just seems terribly uncanonical after TTS (they are also really bad bolter slop and typical example of overblown marine personality cult).

  • Comp4 [comrade/them]
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    1 day ago

    The Space Marines in Space Marine 2 are Ultramarines, hailing from Ultramar, which consists of around 500 planets. It’s highly unlikely that the population of these 500 worlds would be entirely white—in fact, it's almost impossible. Therefore, even if we stick to the lore, it makes sense that there would be Asian, and yes, Black, Ultramarines.

    Furthermore, considering the Imperium of Man is in a state of total war, it's laughable to criticize the existence of women in positions of authority. You can bet they’re recruiting everyone they can, and—gasp—some of those recruits are going to be women. Some of them will naturally rise through the ranks.

    You can tell these criticisms come from people who don’t actually love the lore but just engage with it to push their xenophobic agenda. It’s ironic that the Imperium of Man a Totalitarian Nightmare is too "progressive" for modern chuds.

    Little Icing on top. The Emperor most likely isnt "white" at least not blonde and blue eyed since he is originally from Anatolia (yes Turky)

    • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 day ago

      Little Icing on top. The Emperor most likely isnt "white" at least not blonde and blue eyed since he is originally from Anatolia (yes Turky)

      Emperor azan

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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      1 day ago

      Like, the books and video games have tons of high ranking women in positions of power in the Ecclesiarchy, Inquisition, Astra Militarum, Adeptes Custodes, planetary governors etc.

      Bunch of fake fans, probably don't even know Commissar Cain's infamous tryst with Inquisitor Amberley Vail smdh

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 day ago

        Amberley Vail

        Show

        I'll just call the volcel-police and turn myself in.

        • yoink [she/her]
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          1 day ago

          i like how she's super badass, wearing all this armour on 90 percent of her body, wielding those massive guns and yet the artist still took the time to have her pose to push her boobs out, which are coincidentally the most highlighted part of her figure lmao

          they just can't help themselves

          eta: i just looked a the full picture - i didnt realise she was wearing a mask, meaning her boobs are the ONLY exposed part of her lmfao

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            1 day ago

            It's ridiculous, agreed.

            40k should be ridiculous and often the problem is paint-huffing fascist-come-lately toxic fans that want it to somehow be serious while also making the space fascists seem good.

          • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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            1 day ago

            Perhaps they're just airbrushed artwork on top of the armor. It seems like the sort of sardonic thing that character would do.

            • yoink [she/her]
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              1 day ago

              i mean, to me it very much looks like a corset/bodice/bodysuit, considering the lace goes right down to her crotch, but either way we're now entering 'she dresses horny because it makes her feel empowered' territory of male-driven treatistry

              • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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                1 day ago

                The books do mention her having a bodysuit that she wears underneath power armor before, so it's probably supposed to be that. No excuse for the gratuitous cleavage beyond she wants to look sexy while shooting things angle though.

        • VOLCEL_POLICE [it/its]B
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          1 day ago

          Show

          The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

          نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

          volcel-police

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    1 day ago

    GENESEEDS ARE IMPLANTED INTO A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THEIR RACE, IT ONLY ADDS THE CAPACITY FOR FURTHER ENHANCEMENTS SUCH AS THE BLACK CARAPACE OR THE THING WHERE THEY CAN GAIN MEMORIES BY EATING BRAINS

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    1 day ago

    Chuds in their infinite glory have become the very strawmen they built up leftists of being. Complete with obsessing over a game's politics rather than the gameplay, which they are supposed to care so much about.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      "We just want to play bibeo bames" said the freeze-gamergate fascists while becoming a political front boosting trump-moist