Im asking because the west always portray the east as "uncivilized" and i don't want to fall into propaganda

    • Babs [she/her]
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      3 months ago

      Lmao Ukraine being listed as safe, and safer than China even! Let's not forget all the trouble trans women had trying to flee the country at the start of the war!

      • citrussy_capybara [ze/hir]
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        3 months ago

        war zone, neo-nazis, conscription, trans considered a mental illness, B+ safety rating

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      • kristina [she/her]M
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        3 months ago

        Have you considered they had a trans -> detrans warmonger propagandist once though?

        • Babs [she/her]
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          3 months ago

          Oh wow I missed the whole detrans part.

          What a weird character in that war.

        • Aria 🏳️‍⚧️🇧🇩 [she]@lemmygrad.ml
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          3 months ago

          they had a trans -> detrans warmonger propagandist once

          ??? tf?? how???

          also, did they talk about transphobic shit like

          spoiler

          how they've been """cured from the trans""" and are """normal""" again or how """trans = made up nonsense"""?

          /genq

    • Redcuban1959 [any]
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      3 months ago

      This is very wrong about Latin America. Peru is much worse than Brazil, they had a law that said LGBTQ+ people, especially trans people, were mentally ill, there is no same-sex marriage or even unions. What's more, they don't allow a trans person to marry a cis person (even in heterosexual relationships).

      I agree that Bolivia de jure has really progressive laws regarding trans people, but society is still very conservative. Paraguay is very conservative and is still under a conservative party that ruled it for 65 years (still in power). Chile, Argentina and Uruguay are really progressive, probably the best countries for trans people in South America.

      Brazil also has, de jure, many good laws, there are even trans quotas in universities (a number of seats there are reserved for trans people) and the crime of Transphobia is on the same level as Racism. But Brazil suffers from violence that ends up making minorities like trans people the main targets of murders and hate attacks. Brazil is similar to Colombia, but I believe that Colombia has better laws than Brazil.

      The case of Venezuela is interesting, Maduro and his party, PSUV, mostly support LGBTQ+ rights and same-sex marriage (mainly because of Maduro's personal support and because he didn't want to make the mistake Chávez made of ignoring LGBTQ+ people and being labeled transphobic by US-funded NGOs). He was going to approve same-sex marriage and transgender rights in 2019, but then Guaido did the whole imaginary government thing, and it was never approved.

      Cuba is probably the most socially liberal country when it comes to LGBTQ+ rights in the world, the government has been enforcing the new family code (which allows LGBTQ+ people to get married and receive the treatment they deserve) and promoting Pride Parades.

      • citrussy_capybara [ze/hir]
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        3 months ago

        good to have details
        found this in a search and it only has laws and trans murder rates but not much in the way of actual trans experiences

        • Redcuban1959 [any]
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          3 months ago

          In South America theres also the whole Travesti identity (people who were assigned male at birth and develop a feminine gender identity) the term used to be a slur, but recently trans and travesti people have been using it in a positive way. Some people consider it a third gender in the context of South American society.

          In Brazil I think theres like two trans females politicians (One is in the more radical wing of President Lula da Silva Party, and the other is part of the Trabalhismo/Vargas Party, which is basically Brazil's version of left-wing peronism). In Chile theres Emilia Schneider, In Ecuador theres Diane Rodríguez (She seems to still have a close relation with Leftist Former President Rafael Correa). And in Venezuela there is Tamara Adrián, but she is cringe and part of Anti-Chavista movement, she literally supports zionism and racism against natives.

    • kristina [she/her]M
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      3 months ago

      Its pretty ridiculous to rate all of China or all of Russia as bad especially in comparison to some of the other spots, big cities are much safer and its where almost everyone is. Russia at least has super easy access to DIY HRT, its actually kinda nuts how trivial it is to get there despite the bad attitudes towards trans people. Also Cuba is probably one of the best countries in the world for trans shit

      Tbh its kinda hellish everywhere though

      • imikoy [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        Besides the bad attitudes, there's no way to change the gender marker in the documents... at least meds are easy to get, that makes it slightly better, but for those who couldn't change the documents before the ban staying in the country isn't a comfortable option.

    • Aria 🏳️‍⚧️🇧🇩 [she]@lemmygrad.ml
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      3 months ago

      >bangladesh ranked higher

      >despite a trans rights activist (hochemin islam) getting silenced and prevented from giving a talk in one of the big universities (north south university i think it was?) in fucking dhaka (the capital city of this country, which is supposed to be progressive like all capital cities) of all places. i'm honestly surprised she's still alive, given this country's track record with queer activists (see: abhijit roy, xulhaz mannan for more details - they were gay rights activists who all got murdered by all the "shantir cheles" over here. they were even seen smiling when photos of them were taken!)

      >as well as people in this country throwing a fucking tantrum after a story (it was titled "shorif theke shorifa" i think, though if you search that now you'll most likely come across transphobic shitfuckery - but you won't understand it because most of it is in bangla and i seem the only one here who can speak/understand that) was published in a 7th grade textbook telling people to "accept others for how they want to be". it didn't even say anything about "you need to accept trans people" or whatever, just told you to tolerate/accept others for their differences. but that was enough to get people so fucking riled up. a schoolteacher outright tore that story from the textbook in front of his students. this was during the hasina government last year btw.

      and like the coward that was the hasina government regarding social issues, they immediately folded after this massive backlash and gave into the islamists; hell even let some islamists into the educational board to "keep them happy". it's interesting that hasina would fold over when people would get buttmad for trying to teach them about different people, but eagerly show her fucking muscle and gun down unarmed protesters protesting about hasina's decisions to deify her dad and the freedom fighters. goes to show where her priorities are, yeah?

      also when tf did they recognize "non-binary people"??? they recognized hijras - which some people here politely call "third gender people", but that doesn't automatically mean that 1. they're enbies, 2. they're accepting enbies and 3. hijra == transgender (it isn't).

      it'd be more accurate to rate BD under India. maybe something like D, D- or F? like, bangladeshis aren't actively hunting down queer people (if they don't know about them or are living in stealth anyway), but at the same time, this place is not trans-friendly at all. queer people here have 3 choices: die, leave or stay closeted forever. sometimes i feel like only pre-stonewall/pre-sexual revolution queer people in the west would get this, or relate to the kind of shit we have to live in every day.

      • Dessa [she/her]
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        3 months ago

        Canada isn't even better than the US. Getting hormones in Canada takes some jumping thru hoops.

      • Titou [she/her]
        hexagon
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        3 months ago

        Because it's legal dosn't make it always easier to get. I live in west eu(supposed to be trans friendly) but in fact with the rise of fascism they plan to make it illegal under 18