Gabbagool

  • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
    3·
    4 years ago

    How does their ancestors being discriminated against effect them today? They don't experience systematic racism, control most of the unions in the northeast and chicago and alot of them are cops.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I'm just saying those material effects are still felt today however weakly, even if the institutions have stopped being racist towards them

      just as a thought experiment, if you could eliminate systemic racism towards black and brown people tomorrow— there would still be lingering effects on outcomes due to the generations of oppression. barriers to generational wealth, poorer nutrition, exclusion from better jobs all would have an impact on the person you are today if your great-grandfather experienced them, even if you're no longer experiencing discrimination.

      I'm not saying Italians are PoC, I'm just saying that generational material effects don't disappear instantly when the systemic part fades

      • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
        1·
        4 years ago

        I think we're largely in that place right now with the black community. Institutional racism, as in legal doctrine that explicitly promotes racist goals, doesn't really exist. Eliminating the explicitly racist laws just isn't enough to solve the problem of racism, even within our institutions more broadly (although you could absolutely argue that the Senate as exists today enables this same sort of racism).

        There's not a single country on earth that at one point had a legalized caste system where the legacy of such doesn't persist today.

      • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
        5·
        4 years ago

        barriers to generational wealth, poorer nutrition, exclusion from better jobs all would have an impact on the person you are today if your great-grandfather experienced them, even if you’re no longer experiencing discrimination.

        Other than poor nutrition (which tbh they have the money to change and don't live in food deserts) they literally don't experience this anymore other than gabagool jokes. Are you italian?

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          I feel like you missed this part?

          if your great-grandfather experienced them

          and no I'm not Italian, I'm just saying don't forget that the present is forged out of the material conditions of the past

          Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living.

          • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
            3·
            4 years ago

            No I didn't miss it but I'm talking about whether or not they're experiencing systematic racism that was passed down to them. The answer is no and in fact they happily participate in the system of white supremacy that still effects generations of black, brown and indigenous.

            • emizeko [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              uhhhh.... I explicitly differentiated generational material effects from the systemic racism? I give up

              • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
                4·
                4 years ago

                I'm black....

                I'll see you in the next thread about irish americans and rednecks lol.

                Edit: can y'all stop editing post 300 times after it's already posted. It fucks up my posts.

                  • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
                    2·
                    4 years ago

                    makes it all the more shocking

                    How? How is it shocking that I'm wondering why you keep saying that italians still feel the effect of wasp discrimination? Or do you think I was applying that first post to all people and situations?

                    just want an “out”

                    That's horsehit. You wrote three times before you deleted it that "I better not talk about systematic slavery and black people or I'll be cancelled" which is what that last comment is addressing.

                        • emizeko [they/them]
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                          4 years ago

                          you keep saying that italians still feel the effect of wasp discrimination

                          I never fucking said that, dumbass. do you even know what material conditions are? your reading comprehension is fucking garbage

                          • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
                            1·
                            4 years ago

                            Lol you said in the last edited post that I was using a dishonest paraphase when you said you would cancel me if I applied the same logic to black people and systematic slavery did you not???

                            • emizeko [they/them]
                              1·
                              4 years ago

                              do you not see the fucking quote in my comment

                              do you not see it

                              can you fucking read

                              fuck off

                              • OptimusPrimeRib [none/use name]
                                2·
                                4 years ago

                                I'm not talking about that post since I don't give a fuck about it. I'm talking about you saying that I wrote a dishonest paraphrase and wanted "an out" after you deleted said post about slavery. What a fucking coward that you want to throw around an accusation like that and not want to address it.