• DjMeas@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I still wear a mask when going out to stores because I'm immunocompromised due to a kidney transplant. It's ultimately up to me to protect myself from others but what bothers me most lately are people who either laugh or think I'm stupid for still wearing a mask. Some even go as far as to call me out and shame me for it. Can people just mind their own business? I'm not trying to get them to wear a mask so why are they so fixated on me taking mine off?

    • library_napper@monyet.cc
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      1 year ago

      I still wear a mask because I stand in soldiartiy with folks like you.

      Not only do I want to prevent the spread of the disease that could kill immune compromised folks like yourself, but it also helps normalize mask wearing.

      • Iraglassceiling [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Sincerely and from the bottom of my immunosuppressed heart: thank you.

        Seriously thank you, thank you, thank you.

      • macabrett
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        1 year ago

        thank you

        warning potentially big emote

        meow-hug

          • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            That's what it means! I thought it was because it's so potentially emotional. Like, brace yourself, here's the warmest hug ever.

    • Blake [he/him]@feddit.uk
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      1 year ago

      Genuinely, I think it's probably because they feel a little guilty when they see you wearing one, and that's uncomfortable for people, so they respond by taking it out on you.

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        • phej@reddthat.com
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          1 year ago

          "feeling uncomfortable about someone else" that's what fascism is dear. Conservatives so are so uncomfortable about what people have in their pants and what they do with it that they want to ban people from talking about transgender and sexuality topics

          • duderium [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Maybe you’re new here, but fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin. Liberals stopped masking almost the instant Biden set foot in the White House, despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office (liberals will also excuse Biden’s “inaction” while claiming that Trump, who occupied the same office, was a tyrannical authoritarian totalitarian dictator who ran roughshod over the hallowed institutions of our precious democracy). Capitalism is a death cult, workers should run the world, not bourgeois scum and their running dogs.

            • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              1 year ago

              fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin

              Oh, look, a HexBear dipshit in the wild! I wonder how we can figure them out so easily!

              This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!

              • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It's the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.

                • RustyVenture [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Gaslighting is telling people that Covid isn’t a threat even though you know it’s not and you deliberately cooked the books to sell that delusion. Gaslighting is telling people you’re supposed to be responsible for governing that a vaccine that was never shown to stop the spread of a disease does, in fact, do that. Gaslighting is telling people that you must personally assess your own risk to a collective, public health crisis with the paltry tools that have been provided, then strip away or sabotage every last one of those tools so they cannot provide even a sliver of usefulness to anyone but the most bad faith interpretations.

                  All of these things are things both Amerikkka’s fascist wing and liberal, fascist-enabling wing have done and are currently doing (if they’re not outright ignoring it). To anyone with a pulse, there is no meaningful difference, and indeed they are so often intertwined.

                  Also, Marx was based.

                • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  1 year ago

                  You're gaslighting. His post was bookended with political critiques on how fascism and liberalism are the same thing, with a poor attempt to use COVID to prove his point.

                  Also, he's a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it's produced countless fascist regimes.

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                There's more than two political ideologies. The person you're replying to isn't talking about American political parties.

                There's a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.

              • duderium [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.

                Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉

                If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.

                And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.

              • Kuori [she/her]
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                1 year ago

                Vote every year, twice a year!

                lmao this really is all politics is to shitlibs

              • KurtVonnegut [comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!

                Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.

                Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.

                Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in "lethal aid" to Ukraine.

                Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!

                I don't understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he's doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.

              • Farman [any]
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                1 year ago

                Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.

              • Bnova [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Thank you, I will vote at least a dozen times in at least a dozen counties just for you. Be the change you want to see in the world.

              • Shortstack@reddthat.com
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                1 year ago

                Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he's talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments

                • duderium [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Guess you need to put down the Harry Potter and read actual theory/history before discussing topics about which you are willfully ignorant.

              • duderium [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Reliance on ableist insults reveals a casual comfort with eugenics 😉

              • Kuori [she/her]
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                1 year ago

                it must be embarrassing to be a child amongst adults

                • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂

                • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂

            • Farman [any]
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              1 year ago

              Im not sure; while fascism is certainly the logical conclusion of lieralism. And we can observe so in the protofascist regimes in early 20th century mexico and turkey. i think liberalism is paraphiletic to fascism sort of like reptiles are to birds. The material conditions that enable one over the other are distinct enough, and the core ideological asumptions seem to be different.

              • silent_water [she/her]
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                1 year ago

                fascism as an ideology is still at it's core a defense of capitalism. liberalism has many flavors but it includes everything that exists to support, reinforce, and defend the capitalist project. fascism is only different in that the violence liberalism wreaks in the colonies are turned inwards, towards the nations of the imperial core. but violence itself is a central pillar of all ideologies and it does not differentiate liberalism from fascism.

            • ɠισƚԋҽϝʅσɯ@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office

              yea yea fuck capitalism, eat the rich, etc., but this "statistic" is disingenuously presented. The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden's elected years than Trump's. If your only criterion is that we'll pretend both prezs were equally apathetic (they weren't). Do we have to count the years for you? Don't let ideology make you forget basic arithmetic.

              • duderium [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden's elected years than Trump's.

                Wow I wonder how that could be 🤔. It’s almost as though Biden’s covid “policy” has been criminally ineffective! He can’t even claim credit for the development of the vaccines, since Operation Warp Speed began under Trump!

                Biden said that he would listen to the scientists, but forgot to add that they would be eugenicists 😉

              • TheOtherwise [none/use name]
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                1 year ago

                Biden literally said it was up to the states to deal with....which is partly what liberals were upset with trump for--not having a cohesive federal response

              • RustyVenture [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Nothing disingenuous about it. Biden’s entire shtick was about following the science and doing the right thing (and being able to win over Republicans on controversial issues, that was the whole reason why we couldn't gamble on anyone else) and he almost immediately tossed that out and adopted his predecessor’s “ignore it and it’ll go away” attitude. The White House pushed a vax-only approach which was proven to be ineffective before he even took office and then went out to brunch. For fuck’s sake, the man had to be publicly shamed into sending out masks and tests during a surge his feckless ass engendered because he pretended the pandemic was over in April 2021, when less than half of the adult population got their first round of shots.

                I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering how poorly even the states that did give half a fuck in 2020 were managing and there is no doubt that it is a complex job, but once you start mimicking the guy you lambasted a few months prior for exacerbating the problem (not to mention spending the next year and a half prematurely stripping people of basic protections and the ability to reliably test and track within their own communities), you lost what little sympathy I could muster. For all intents and purposes, he owns all of the deaths from the day he stepped into the Oval Office. Worst of all, it's both set the tone for how future leaders will be able to respond to crises, as well as reinforced the notion that our government is ontologically incapable of providing anything for its own citizens besides more terror.

                As for which one of these shitstains is more apathetic: Trump gave me more cash (and it wasn't means-tested), suspended my student loan payments, afforded me a rent moratorium if I had lost my job, and didn't end federal mask or testing mandates for traveling because his buddy at Delta Airlines whined to him in a letter. Nothing spells "apathy" like going on 60 Minutes amid yet another surge in cases and saying "the pandemic is over," or cutting off extended UI prematurely, or instructing cities to use their unused Covid funds to give to the pigs.

                If Trump was smart enough to even utter the words "wear a mask" at any point in 2020 he would still be in office today. This is not an endorsement, for the record. I don't doubt Trump would have done all of this and worse eventually as well, but the difference is that his callousness was consistently met with resistance and vocal opposition. For Joe Biden, whose callousness is every bit as harmful, there is no effective resistance, no organized campaign to combat the president's anti-science blathering. We all have to get over it and live even more precariously in this shithole lest we be accused of helping Trump win again.

                • Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  Trump was actually very pro mask at the beginning of the pandemic until the CDC told him they didn't have enough stock for everyone. The CDC first said not to mask up so that they could secure enough supplies for government workers. This is all recorded fact.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      1 year ago

      It's real bad. Fun fact: I am very big, and I've worn straight up gas masks at some points during the pandemic, and no one has ever said anything to me. Plague rats are real brave as long as they're pretty confidant there won't be consequences. It's gross.

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Yes, I wouldn't describe my as very big but I'm not small and the number of people who look like they're going to say something and then reconsider it when they take a second look at me… cowards. These are people used to bullying those they can bully without consequence.

    • Shortstack@reddthat.com
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      1 year ago

      This is why I started exclusively wearing kn95s because it became clear after a time that people simply don't give a shit about anyone except themselves, they don't care if you or I get covid and die.

      So I stopped pretending like I'm doing my part since we all know surgicals and cloth masks are only truly effective if everyone else is wearing them. They know too but choose to fuck us anyway. So fuck them too and protect yourself first. Wear your p100 respirator with the exhaust vents that filter nothing for extra vindictive points

    • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Honestly, I am not immunocompromised and I still wear a mask because I haven’t gotten sick since the pandemic started, and it even helps my sinus’ when I’m cleaning the house. I’ve never been one to worry about what someone thinks of me, so I’m sorry if this comes off as tone deaf, but fuck ‘em. Why should you care about what they think about you? When was the last time you thought about that person who was doing something you thought was strange in the local mart? I will assume not until I just made you think about them. Live your life as safely as you want. For every moron out there trying to make fun of you (they can try, but ultimately they themselves just look foolish and stupid) there are more like me and the others who wear masks alongside you. Stay safe and have a good rest of your day!

      • macabrett
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        1 year ago

        it even helps my sinus’ when I’m cleaning the house.

        One of the best parts about having a bunch of cloth masks from early in the pandemic is they're great for cleaning. I wear one when I clean my cats' litterboxes every day.

        I wear N95s outside the house, but cloth masks have still proven useful.

    • TheKaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      This is the same issue the LGBT community suffers from, as well as people of color, people with accents, etc. People always find ways to make themselves feel superior to others by pointing out something different. You choosing to wear a mask just makes those kinds of people laugh because they either 1. Feel better than you for not wearing masks or 2. They are uneducated/ignorant and follow others' opinions without question.

      I suppose the only way to turn it back around on them would be to try scaring them by saying you have something contagious like strep throat, or worse, so they'll shut up and leave you alone. Otherwise my only other advice would be to just do your best to not engage with these types of people.

    • Birdie@thelemmy.club
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      7 months ago

      Someone called me a libtard under his breath, but loudly enough to make sure I heard...in a CANCER center, where many of us were having our immune systems weakened by chemo.

      You can't fix stupid so I don't even try. I've been in remission for almost two years, I'm healthy and he's out there sucking in viruses. We both have ticking clocks, but mine is ticking much more slowly than his is.

  • macabrett
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    1 year ago

    I want to share my experience as a disabled person, because I think it's very easy to simply not notice our non-existance:

    I don't exist anymore. I'm a hermit. It's been years since I've done anything in public. I go to the rheumatologist, I go to a lab to get blood tests, and once a year I get an x-ray to make sure I don't have TB. I don't do anything else. There's about a two week period where being outside isn't some unbearably high or low temperature that exacerbates my condition.

    Please care about covid. Just, please. Do it for people like me if that helps you, but mostly do it for yourself. This virus can make you like me and it's miserable (I was sick before Covid, but Covid is known to trigger autoimmune conditions which are the primary cause of my suffering).

    • MDKAOD@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Covid is known to trigger autoimmune conditions

      *waves* Hi, I'm new here. Recent owner of (currently) 12 different autoimmune markers. 😭

      • macabrett
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        1 year ago

        I'm so sorry, it's not a good time. I hope you find treatment that offers some level of relief.

        • MDKAOD@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          Scariest part is the discovery and uncertainty of it all. "oh well if it's scleroderma, you're dead in 10 years. If it's just scleroderma Ana, maybe it's lupus. It could also be this weird ass thing that less than 1000 people in the world have. Well, I mean you have the marker, but it could also be lupus. Maybe MS. Are you still having dysphagia and have you choked on food lately? "

          Excuse me while I gently sway back and forth in the corner over here.

          And don't get me wrong, I'm not a antivax person, like at all, I have 5 rona shots now. But if someone tries to suggest with 100% absolute certainty that either covid itself or the toll the vaccine took on me didn't unlock an underlying autoimmune disorder, I'll kick em. I'm not saying that the vaccine gave me an autoimmune issue. I'm saying it likely existed prior but was the catalyst.

          • silent_water [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            I'm not in quite as bad shape but I also reacted badly to the vaccine. I get awful migraines after every shot/covid exposure lasting months and it's become permanent since the last one. I quite literally have not had a single day free from migraines in 6 months and I'm completely intractable to every medication we've tried. like they're talking about burning out various nerves in my face and neck to try and prevent them but it feels hopeless. I no longer get to have a social life and I'm struggling to keep a wfh job - I'm effectively bedridden all the time because of the side effects of migraines (dizziness, vertigo, muscle weakness, primarily), and I've been getting seizures for the past year.

            I wish people would just do the bare minimum to protect people like us but I've mostly given up. just trying to get used to my new, extremely small world.

          • macabrett
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            1 year ago

            The uncertainty is awful. It took me ten years to get diagnosed with anything. I had so many doctors that thought I was just seeking pain pills. I had to beg a primary care physician to refer me to a rheumatologist. The rheumatologist guessed what I had within 5 minutes. A few blood tests, X-rays, and an MRI later and I had a diagnosis. Ten years and then someone guesses it in 5 minutes. Autoimmune diseases are weird like that.

            I'm also incredibly pro-vax, but those things knock me on my ass for days. Seems pretty common for people with autoimmune diseases.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      1 year ago

      100% with you. Haven't taken my mask off in public in years, and making regular attempts to goad my friends in to putting theirs back on.

    • Aiʞawa@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      Since the beginning of the pandemic, my biggest fear hasn't been to catch the virus, but to spread it, especially to my immunocompromised relatives. You'd have to see when I tell that to people; they look at me weirder than if I answered "yes" to their mocking "afraid of COVID?" 🙃

      • macabrett
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        1 year ago

        Thanks for looking out for us. I wish more people looked at it the way you do. It's been really weird seeing headlines since 2022 that excitedly proclaim "hey its only old people and disabled people dying now!"

      • Aliveelectricwire [it/its]
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        1 year ago

        If more people thought like you I could have a life again. I'm severely immunocompromised and COVID almost killed me when I caught it a year ago

    • neutron@thelemmy.club
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      1 year ago

      I'm so sorry for you, man. I had to take care of my parents when covid started (they're all fine now) and couldn't stand the mouth breathers thinking only they and themselves mattered.

  • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Our track record dealing with covid shows us that our approach was largely unsuccessful. Masking must be enforced, not suggested. This is the only effective solution.

    • DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de
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      1 year ago

      People were such dimwits about it though. Even if you had a security guard at the entrance to every shop challenging people to wear properly fitted n95s, I'm certain heaps of people would remove it after they walked past just on principle.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        The American culture is uniquely garbage because of the unique history of having a frontier for self serving pieces of shit to murder a patch of land empty for themselves and assert their right to tell everyone to fuck off. When the frontier was exhausted the homestead became the small business. When the small businesses were absorbed, "you can't tell me what to do" became having a big truck and eating hamburgers with the motivation of spite.

      • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Yeah it was a shitshow, all because of how politicized it became. No one in 2018 would have thought that asking people to wear a face mask would become such an embarrassing ordeal.

        But trust me, it's easy to catch a mask less person in a store. It shouldn't take more than a couple incidents before they learn their lesson and make an example for others.

    • socsa@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      I tend to agree, but realistically who is going to enforce it? You've got to take into consideration the impact the constant stream of conflict has on low level employees who end up responsible for this enforcement. For those who want to protect themselves, N95 masks are highly effective when used properly.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        You also need to wear eye protection. Even just regular, prescription glasses showed a 30% reduction in infection rates. Masks don't protect if other people wont also wear them.

      • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        who is going to enforce it?

        In an ideal world, the community. In our current world, the government must require businesses to require customers to wear masks and social distance, and threaten them with suspending their business if they do not comply.

        the impact the constant stream of conflict has on low level employees who end up responsible for this enforcement

        It will not be constant. Places where this was enforced strictly did not have that trouble. It is the wishy-washy enforcement that empowered people to do this. It will be a short lived protest that dies out quickly, and the suffering will be far easier than that of covid deaths.

        For those who want to protect themselves, N95 masks are highly effective when used properly

        From my understanding, it is not enough. A person sharing a public space with you and not wearing a mask poses a threat, and this threat is massive if they are carrying the virus (even if non-symptomatic).

        People must not have the freedom to cause the death or others by spreading respiratory viruses due to childish irresponsibility because their favorite youtuber said so.

    • bumblebeehellbringer [fae/faer, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      We also need lockdowns where people are supported in staying home long enough to eliminate the virus, regular and updated testing, updated vaccines, free high quality accessible healthcare, and changes to make workplaces safe - like letting people work from home; changing in-person work to be socially distanced, and unlimited paid time off so people can get medical care when they need it.

      • smooth_jazz_warlady@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        1 year ago

        Once again we see the abled throwing tantrums over the idea of having to suffer a mild discomfort so as to protect the lives of the disabled, especially the immunocompromised.

        I have an aunt whose immune system has to be medicated into nonexistence at all times so it doesn't wreck her body, and she is still fucked up from covid, months after "getting over" it and with multiple vaccine shots beforehand. How many people have you killed or left permanently ill, and never realised, in your selfish ignorance?

        If there were any divine justice in this world, idiots like you would be smote with horrible autoimmune diseases or total organ failure, forced to go on anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your lives, and live with the same fear you force on others, the fear that any "harmless" disease could be the death of you.

    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I still see an occasional grocery worker but the foretold future where I was the last one has come

    • Cryptic Fawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      The commissary on Air Force bases were still requiring it months after most people stopped wearing them. I can absolutely see that happening again and actually being enforced.

    • Blackmist@feddit.uk
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      1 year ago

      This is the only real graph that matters.

      https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England

      As long as it stays below 200 a day, nobody is really going to panic over it. It's background noise now. Unless a vaccine resistant strain takes off and we hit 1000+ a day again, it's going to be business as usual.

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    • Ildsaye [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      The Myth of "Consensual" Public Health
      --meow-hug ---------------------- porky-scared Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?
      Policy - Scientists' Warnings - Quarterly Profits

      (how do I make blank spaces instead of dashes?)

    • stereofony@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      From a fellow trans person: I know you mean well, but shame/ridicule is the least effective agent of change. This kind of attitude I hear not just from you but other leftist queer friends just straight up leaves a bad taste in people's mouths and does nothing to convince folks of your cause, no matter how good your intentions are. To quote a Tshirt I once saw: Kindness is more punk rock than a middle finger.

      Collective care and justice should be rooted in compassion, not denigration and superiority complexes.

      • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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        1 year ago

        superiority complexes.

        TIL needing to mask for health reasons is a superiority complex.

        I'm not going to address any of the rest of your comment except to say, stop tone policing a shitpost. The point was to vent about a genuine frustration, not to convince anyone. And just don't tone police in general.

        • stereofony@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          Sorry, but somewhere along the way in leftist circles, "don't tone police me" became synonymous with "I'm allowed to be as shitty as I want to other people because of my trauma" and that's the behavior I can't get down with. Trauma is an explanation, not an excuse.

      • Kuori [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        yeah we are pretty pro-bullying people who are doing shitty things over on hexbear, this isn't going to land

          • Kuori [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            we are of the same mind on this. frankly, i don't care in the slightest about the feelings of people who won't put any effort into protecting the lives of others.

        • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          I'm more on the "bullying bad, shaming with explanation of how to fix your behavior good" train myself, at least when the goal isn't just to make shitheads be quiet.

          • Kuori [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            i get you, my issue is that we're beyond the event horizon, you know? these people have had the explanations. they don't care, and their not caring kills innocent people. as far as i'm concerned, it's open season on shitheads.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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        1 year ago

        To quote a Tshirt I once saw: Kindness is more punk rock than a middle finger.

        Wow. Everything you said before this swayed me but this is such an awesome statement that I had to say thanks for expanding my vernacular.

  • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    There was a moment in my life where I was optimistic about masks. I pictured a cyberpunk future we didn't get sick as much and had a cool new fashion accessory we could have fun with. It is wild how capitlaism couldn't even resist the power of covid

    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Covid has taught me that we will not do enough, then complain that we did too much. I am not optimistic about things if this new strain is as bad as the first ones.

    • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Seriously? I found masks uncomfortable and annoying, I would hate the idea of it being the new norm for the rest of our lives.

      I live in a climate which gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I was often getting hot under the mask or fogging up my glasses so bad I couldn't see where I was going.

      I would honestly rather just get the latest vaccine and risk getting a little sick by not wearing a mask than going through that whole mask thing again

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        The material conditions dictate that it's the norm for the rest of our lives, unfortunately.

        We're ignoring a grinding sound in our car right now.

      • Abracadaniel [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I hated them too but they're an effective public health tool if they're actually used. 🤷

        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I gotta say, N95s done right are much more comfortable then cloth and surgical masks. I just didn't know at the start of the pandemic.

      • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        It is hot here but it doesn't get very humid. So maybe it is easier. It could get uncomfortable at time but I still liked it. It did take a few tries to get masks that worked for my glasses, this is also true.

        • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          It doesn't get humid where I am either, I personally never found a mask I was really happy with, then I just got fed up with it and only wore it when I didn't have a choice.

          • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I dunno. Maybe I am just weird but I like wearing work gloves and touching stuff I know wouldn't be good to touch bear handed. I always kinda get that same feeling from wearing a mask.

            • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              As someone who didn't try to not to get sick, avoided wearing a mask whenever I could, went to crowded bars with friends during the height of covid, etc, and never once got noticeably sick, I didn't find the air I was breathing to be all that dangerous to warrant protection.

              I'm not denying that COVID exists, I got my vaccine the second it was available to me, I just didn't feel as threatened by it as some others did.

            • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              Sorry, guess I'm not a hero then, I think trying for two years was more than enough.

              • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                It's mad that people can go "hey my actions put people at risk of death and injury and I'm just going to do it"

                Coming from someone living with a person with long-COVID, someone who got infected AFTER being fully vaccinated and AFTER the emergency period, I just gotta say that this kind of thinking is really disappointing. Can you imagine if there was an afterlife, and you had to explain your actions to your higher power.

                • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  It's mad that people can go "hey my actions put people at risk of death and injury and I'm just going to do it"

                  Yeah, you know, I realize that driving my car around puts others at risk, it pollutes the air, I might hit and kill someone accidentally, but I have to get food and go to work somehow. I guess screw me for just trying to live my life, right?

                  Can you imagine if there was an afterlife, and you had to explain your actions to your higher power

                  I would ask why that higher power thought creating covid was a good idea in the first place, or why he didn't care enough to stop it.

      • ButtBidet [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        The 3M Aura and Vflex both breathe easily as heck. I've worn them on 40 degree days and I felt fine. They don't block air like surgical masks.

        Good luck getting a new booster in most Western countries.

        • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          If it comes down to then being required again I'll look out for those and give them a try.

          I'm in the US, I think we have had maybe the best access to these vaccines. I just checked one pharmacy in my area, 17 locations within 30 miles all with appointments today, I can even choose between Moderna and Pfizer. I haven't gotten a booster in a while, but I want to say I've gotten the first two shots and like 2-3 boosters. The last booster was an updated one I think for Delta.

          • triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            boosters don't have much impact on you getting other people sick. you can get a spray to stop glasses fogging up, you can get cooling towels or a personal fan to deal with overheating. wear a fucking mask please

            • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              I've tried those anti fog things on glasses, never got one that worked for me and didn't smear my lenses like crazy.

              Sorry, nobody is wearing a mask anymore In my city, I'm not about to try and start that trend back up. Nobody cares anymore, so I won't either.

              • triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml
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                1 year ago

                "nobody cares", except people with medical conditions who can't risk getting COVID so can't go out in public since people stopped wearing masks, or those of us who don't want to be part of a large-scale experiment about the debilitating effects of long COVID. maybe try different anti-fog products, there are some that definitely work. and wear a fucking mask

                • Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  If you have medical conditions where you can't risk getting covid, then you shouldn't be going outside with other people in the first place, mask or not.

                  I don't know how to make this more clear, literally basically everyone doesn't wear a mask anymore here, there is no point to me being the one person wearing one.

          • ButtBidet [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I guess for the West, the US has more access. Other countries, such as the UK, are paring back boosters except for the really vulnerable. It is still weird that the current vaccine is for a strain in 2021, though. Our societies should be doing better.

      • eldain@feddit.nl
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        1 year ago

        I agree with you, at the same time it would be great if our air output would be viewed as "unclean" with masks being the worst fix for that if no better ventilation systems are available. We need to stop recirculating somebody elses waste air in indoor environments to make airborn diseases less common.

    • Jtskywalker@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Same here. I was hopeful that covid would get people to at least be more conscious about not going places when sick, wearing masks when they are not feeling well, etc. But where I am at, people go to work, church, recreational activities, etc. with the flu and covid, even with positive test results knowing that they are contagious. I don't understand it and it hasn't gotten better.

      As far as cyberpunk... I still want a full face respirator with a clear face shield (so people can see your lips when you talk), an integrated HUD (for navigation, air quality monitoring, and browsing lemmy), and some LEDs for night time illumination (and aesthetics)

      • ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        if i posted an article from a blog that said you where a fucking idiot would you start telling everyone else it as gospel or what

        just genuinally trying to work out your thought process

      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Introverts wet dream, never showing his face again. Look how much masks as a regular fashion accessory had already caught on in Asia since SARS.

        Some people are germophobes who would end all the disgusting human to human contact and exposed flesh from the world.

        • Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk
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          1 year ago

          I went to a restaurant when they started re-opening. We were speaking to one of the waiters about it. He said he has autism and makes involuntary mouth movements. He said the mask helps customers as much as him about getting awkward when his twitch goes off.

  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    I got a bunch of KN95 masks and P100 filters half off at a value store recently, its so cool being the only person not getting covid every 6 months

    spoiler

    screm-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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      1 month ago

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  • MrShankles@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    Wear a Mask. Get vaccinated. Stop spreading misinformation

    Since the anti-mask/vax comments seem to be flooding in, figured I'd make my opinion known too... as obnoxiously as I can, because apparently that's how it's done

  • Whiskey Pickle@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    it’s interesting to see how common it is for people in NYC to still wear them sometimes, especially when on the subway (the air is shitty, so it makes sense).

    I doubt it will be much of a problem here, except for those who always refused. yeah, it sucks, but it’s a lot better than getting sick— or dying.

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 year ago

    BuT wHaT aBoUt the ecoNoMy??!!

    I mean, we didn't handle any of this well the first time. That goes for most places on the planet. I'm sure we won't handle it well if it really does go south again.