Due to multiple factors, such as unaddressed ableist removals from the /c/196 moderators, defense of chasers, no-quarter rules regarding our users, leakage of good-faith DMs from our admin team, and a general lack of initiative to punish these behaviors, we have come to the conclusion that the 196 community on lemmy.blahaj.zone has made the fediverse an unsafe space for our queer, disabled, neurodivergent, non-western, and other marginalized comrades on this forum, and we will be defederating from lemmy.blahaj.zone until we can be confident that this will not continue to be an issue.
We have attempted to make good-faith parley with both the instance admin and the comm moderators, but we've reached a point which we feel that until these behaviors are addressed by instance administration, we can no longer continue to federate in good-faith while our users are being actively invalidated by a small-but-vocal portion of the forum. Once we are confident that these behaviors have ceased and are unlikely to continue, we are more-than-happy to refederate in the name of queer solidarity.
Thanks for bearing with us :07:
so am i missing something or are the blahaj zone admins just letting that c/196 moderator go clout-drunk with power & fuck the vibes of their whole site lmao
I hope there not afraid of a loss of activity if they reign in that com.
we dwarf the activity of that comm - if that's what they were after, purging the comm was the way to go.
Sometimes you just have to exile everyone and start over from scratch with 7 new dorfs and an anvil.
I hope that this issue will be resolved in the future by the admins of blahaj.zone, they should cut that threat to their own userbase loose ASAP and instead work on actively onboarding trans subreddits instead of that place infested with chaser pests. I would love to see a bigger, unified queer community on lemmy and it hurts me that you had to make this decision, but at the same time i fully, 100% agree that with c/196 around, we couldn't maintain the safe space that this site has been since briefly after its inception when we purged the r/stupidpol crowd to make this more inclusive to our already large queer userbase. There's a lot of people who've helped me throughout my transition, but that list wouldn't be complete without those of you who made this the place where i could first talk about my gender exploration and experiment with my pronouns. We all owe it to our community to place safety before the desire to dunk on some of the most insufferable libs in the entire fediverse.
a trans instance not banning transphobia just fucking blows my mind. hatred for chasers is something pretty universal amongst trans people.
It all comes down to the mods. You can have the most left wing instance in the world on paper, but if the folks running it are just Black Hammer weirdos...
It is odd because that's the excuse they gave for defederating our comrades from lemmygrad.ml
It's wild how lemmygrad seemed almost split on us for a bit because we aren't explicitly Marxist Leninist, but since federation I'm seeing a huge overlap of grad posters here.
Warms my heart really, and shows that even if you do have some made up ideological reservation about people, what really matters is how you are able to interact with one another in mutual defense and education.
Pretty much. I think most of my fellow grad posters who expressed concerns were worried about cross site struggle sessions over stuff like that but I dont think they considered that 99.9% of hexbear dunking energy would be directed at liberals lol
Oh yeah, we ended all of those like 2 years ago. We're a legit left unity instance. We're always going to be 1000% more focused on fake leftists and libs than any possible tired ML/Anarchist fights.
the only kind of tiring ml/anarchist "fight" i support:
tfw no cutie anarkitty to call me red fash:
there were other concerns like potential sex work struggle sessions, but even those concerns were way overblown lol
Hating chasers is pretty universal among all LGBT+ people. Just ask bisexual women what they think of "unicorn chasers". Or ask lesbians how they feel about straight guys that try to "convert" them.
I would love to see a bigger, unified queer community on lemmy and it hurts me that you had to make this decision, but at the same time i fully, 100% agree that with c/196 around, we couldn't maintain the safe space that this site has been since briefly after its inception when we purged the r/stupidpol crowd to make this more inclusive to our already large queer userbase.
Perfectly correct take on this
To clarify further: My problem is not individual users, otherwise a few dedicated wreckers could get every instance defederated. My problem is a provenly toxic moderation policy that openly embraces the fetishistic objectification and harassment of trans people and turns a blind eye to ableism.
Go check their community page. The vast majority of their activity comes from that comm. Like, it's not even close. This is why the admins there have been handling that chaser nest with kiddie gloves. The entire instance goes black with that comm gone. Typical of liberals, they care more about popularity and clout than principles.
we dwarf their activity though. appeasing us was a better way to maintain post activity across the whole instance.
It's going to get worse over there too because the people who are concerned with that behavior will leave, the ones who aren't will stay. The 196 mod knows they're untouchable. Good times ahead.
I can't cut out this tumor, it's bigger than any of my organs and showing astronomical growth!
The vast majority of their activity comes from that comm. At this point, /c/196 is Blahaj and Blahaj is /c/196.
Incredibly based. Civility is a two way street, and I didn't like how we were bowing and scraping to get them to do us the favor of remaining federated. Hopefully some of their cooler users will migrate over
I also wish their Anarcho-Bidenist mod/admin team a very
Hopefully some of their cooler users will migrate over
Me with the "I'm gonna use Kbin because Lemmy's developed by a tankie" to "I'm gonna use Blåhaj because Kbin can't moderate transphobia" to "I'm gonna use Hexbear because Blåhaj can't moderate ableism" pipeline
I am happy to report that this is the only online community I've ever been in where a minority of the userbase can raise issues and get them dealt with. it took some struggle the first time but we're very proud of the strong anti-bigotry stance we've collectively settled on, made all the stronger because it comes out of users, mods, and admins doing self-crit when these issues are brought forward.
Tankie is a bullshit term anyways, in the end all that means is that we'll militantly defend one another and fight for a better world instead of rolling over and allowing norms and civility to bog us down in reactionary quagmire.
I know the term was originally used to refer to rolling tanks into Belarus, but like 90% of people on this site's parents weren't even born when that happened so nah.
Just know that sometimes you need to exercise power to protect yourself, and the way we do it here is very much "mass line" style where the users dictate action to the moderation and administration teams. With the role of administrators and moderators being to defend the community from reactionaries and step in to resolve internal conflict in the most democratic way possible.
rolling tanks into Belarus
I thought it was rolling tanks into Hungary...?
Hey I'm drunk and they happened when my grandparents were 20, but you're right.
You'll get some discussion about that if your want it, but most of our positions come from the history of revolution in the global South and how revolutionaries survived the onslaught of Western Capital.
The USSR is dead, their ideas live on in ever evolving forms in the revolutions sparked after 1917 and 1940. There is no dogmatic position we can take when the position of the global proletariat is in constant flux and the revolutionary avenues available in nation states vary so much.
It's sad because my day job is looking at maps all day, I'll do better in the future
y'all getting paid for this when i do it for free??
(i just like maps, i think they're neat)
Hopefully in a month or two "I'm gonna use Lemmygrad because Lemmy's developed by a tankie"
didn't like how we were bowing and scraping to get them to do us the favor of remaining federated.
Preach, this shit's been obnoxious
Yeah that's what we're happy about. Until today the official stance from admins and mods had been appeasement. No linking to their posts, no tagging them, etc. etc.
All to appease these anti-communist doomscrollers that were always going to have a problem with us, and whose anti-communist attitudes would always give fash a way in. Nice of them to go mask off so soon.
We are the larger instance, with a larger queer community. We don't need them. I guess I don't get the point of your reply
sorry, thought you were saying we should defederate them when it was already done
Now we can prove it was always bullsht, that it was never about behavior, not that they will care
but theres that
Federation going awfully well;
You’ll love it, you’ll get to dunk on the libs! Ok, well not on their instances. But you can do it here! Ok, well actually no you can’t. We have to be nice to the liberals or they’ll defederate us.
gets defederated
Ok guys, I know the last thousand times haven’t gone as smoothly as planned, but we need to be nice to HeilHitler1488 or they’ll defederate us!
A preëmptive strike by chapo.chat... I did not expect this.
One of the few redeeming qualities in the Dutch language...
I dunno, I think it's pretty neat how it's capitalized as "IJsselmeer" because ⟨ij⟩ is seen as inseperable.
Dutch is actually very cool and fun hehe I'm just giving it a hard time
I completely get that, making fun of one's native tongue is always a good time.
Yeah I think the lesson behind this is dont let instances string you along and get you to one-sidedly compromise.
I hate to say it but I think you're right. Like there was so much complaining over the first thread about defederating and it wasn't really that bad, like we were more constrained there than other instances, and once they asked us to stay out of their meta threads we did. Meanwhile we've gone full hog on multiple lemm.ee threads, and the lemm.ee admin is anti-Russia/anti-Soviet, and he still didn't even ask us to stay out of the discussion thread, which is 1600 comments full of off-topic stuff.
They don't have a clear leftist ideology, they think our ideological commitments interfere with our support of LGBT rights (when in fact they go hand in hand), and honestly they just have thin skin.
I'm still open to giving it another shot in the future but unfortunately I'm not sure we're really that compatible at the end of the day.
From the blahaj 196 list of bannable things:
-saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad account
That was edited to
-saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad or hexbear account
As soon as I seen the !anti_cishet_aktion@hexbear.net thread, blahaj had to go. Like every comrade in that thread was offended.
For all the work you folks were doing to try to make federation with blahaj.zone work, it sucks to see a clique of vaushites piss all over it. It'd be nice if blahaj.zone could clean this up. Most of the folks seemed reasonable, but this shit is intolerable.
Leave it to vaushites to ruin literally anything they come in contact with
Probably the best outcome, honestly. We were bending over backwards for them and their response was to smear shit in our faces. Hopefully we'll pick up the cool people and the v*ushite chaser scum can wank themselves silly with trans porn or whatever they consider "being a good ally" means.
To the poor trans-comrades who are stuck there, you don't need to do this "pick me" bs, just drop the toxic assholes. You're worth that
Fair.
I hope that the Blahaj admins hold queer people as more important than this behaviour and take action, so that we can federate again, I actually like some of their content. I think they will, if their previous statements are anything to go by, but we will see from this what their real priorities are.
If I were adminning Blahaj I would purge the problematic 196 mod and replace them, as well as adding several significantly better mods to that team. This isn't complicated to resolve without losing the users, the mandate for removing a problematic mod like this is going to be very high. Exert some authority.
Sounds tankie to me. Much better to just let reactionaries trample trans spaces.
many people are saying we have the best mods folks
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