L'année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l'idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.
Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l'expérience de quelqu'un qui rejoint le fediverse via l'instance jlai.lu.
Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l'expérience Lemmy.
Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc... je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d'à peine d'un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l'encontre de l'état d'esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.
Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l'année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu'ils ne sont pas francophone et que j'aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d'une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c'est trop.
Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l'idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu'il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.
Perhaps you should just log off instead of publicly crying about how someone made fun of you for having a bad opinion
Anyway, I'm heading back to the fucking Kremlin lmao. I'll leave you to lauding nazis for their 'mercy killings'
I went looking in their post history for the incitement to make this complaint and saw that they were denying nazi warcrimes in the Ukraine war by calling their side's acts "mercy killings"
Ces accusations sont complètement infondées. Je n'ai jamais soutenu ces positions. j'ai même indiqué que c'était justement un crime de guerre de la part de l'Ukraine dans ce conflit. C'est une déformation totale de mes propos.
Essayer d'expliquer que un côté peu commettre plus de crimes de guerre que un autre sans nier leur existence dans chaque camps et un exercice mental bien trop complexe pour vous visiblement.
So you take this group of nazis that has locked people inside burning buildings, and you contrast their war crimes favorably to their enemies by singling out "mercy killings" as if that's the only thing they've done. Contrasted by multiple superlatives towards the enemy's spectrum of war crimes you couldn't even list.
I never said you support war crimes; I implied you support nazis.
Peut-être pourrais-tu donner des liens vers les posts/commentaires dont tu parles ? Ça aiderait ton argumentaire
We ask the same for everyone, this is also a protection for you and a way for us to check the context and his explanation.
If i do as you said, i can select some comments out of context that will invalidate your point. You don't want to give room to some kind of gaslighting ? you want to back up your argument, right ? So this is a protection.
And, also think we may not understand the same thing as you do. We may see a snail in the painting, you may see a turtle instead. So you may have to explain your point of view to people because you can understand some thing but i can also understand other thing.
As for Ukraine war crime, i haven't read and i'm busy but i'm guessing they probably exist. That doesn't negate Russia war crime.
I'm busy, i hope those explainations are enough and wish you a nice morning :)
You're lazy and stupid.
If i do as you said, i can select some comments out of context that will invalidate your point.
My point was that he said a thing. You can go look to see if he did. You're lazy.
You chose instead to reside in your mind palace and make ditzy, sophomoric philosophical statement.
As for Ukraine war crime, i haven't read and i'm busy but i'm guessing they probably exist.
You're stupid. Not only are you apparently proud of not reading, you lack comprehension in reading just this argument. You've changed the subject to be about whether or not nazis have committed war crimes. So I guess it opens the possibility that you're just a cynical nazi doing apologism.
Either way, what a worthless interaction you've inflicted upon me.
My english is lacking and i had a long night. What do you do in life ? Do you enjoy movie ? My favorite one is the miror from Tarkovsky. :)
Tu peux lire plus bas, à un moment ils expliquent leur raisonnement
I think it's quite funny that you want to defederate from an instance and you don't know what federation is or how it works.
This is how:
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Je suis bien au courant, maintenant je suis surpris que cette communauté ait atteint le "Hot" de chez vous avec 5 votes.
Après, j'imagine que vu que vous êtes défédérés par Lemmy.world, lemmy.blahaj.zone et d'autres, ça doit restreindre pas mal le nombre de posts dans votre flux.
Je pensais aussi que cette communauté forçait de poster avec un tag "français", apparemment ce n'est pas le cas.
Pas tellement. Au-delà du filtre de la langue, je connais peu de gens qui utilisent All en "Hot". Sur Jlai.lu on est surtout soit en Local (pour avoir les communautés en français), soit en Abonnements, et si on passe en All ce sera plus Top Day, Top 12 hours, Top 6 hours.
Je suis pratiquement sûr que si ouvriez un fil similaire sur !announcements@hexbear.net, personne de Jlai.lu ne le verrait.
Par nouveaux commentaires ça se comprend, mais encore une fois, j'imagine qu'une personne qui ne parle pas français du tout aura tendance à bloquer la communauté.
Enfin, on aurait dû la forcer en français, ç'aurait été plus simple
Après honnêtement ici il ne se passe pas grand-chose en temps normal, on devrait même en faire une communauté locale
C'est normalement supporté depuis la dernière version, on pourra test
Je n'ai rien contre ce genre de threads pour le fun, après si on peut aussi avoir un espace local pour discuter de l'instance entre nous ça peut être cool aussi
Je suis perdu 😰 Ah si ! Tu veux que ce thread continue et finisse dans trouduction car iels vont écrire en franglish. C'est capilotracté 😅
Enfin, on aurait dû la forcer en français, ç’aurait été plus simple
Je plussoies.
J'utilise Hot sur All mais c'est franchement gavant. Je devrais essayer un des classements que tu proposes. ça pourrait ne pas être mal.
Je ne voir pas 'français' de tag. Tu aide moi?
Je ne parler pas français.
We aren't talking about defederating but listening to his complain. I'm curious, did you subcribe to meta@jlai.lu and why ? Or was it the magic of federation ? :)
Cette communauté ne force pas le français: https://jlai.lu/post/11504685/10380145
You can't fool me. We use the same word for 'defederation' except you have sloppy pen work and leave marks all over it
I recap again, the moderation stance and admins isn't about defederating without any proof. Please, read the com of @anansi@jlai.lu, the admin of jlai.lu
@meta@jlai.lu is a place where anyone can complain about mismanagement from our part or asking defederation, improvement, advice and help.
But we NEVER EVER defederate with the snap of a finger because it does impedes users's experience. We only do it for very serious case or temporary to stop spam wave.
This place is where we share opinion about our instance. It is not related to our decision.
I can’t believe this niche site with the population of a small village is influential enough to be working with China and Russia!
Thank you for your action.
I just came from a phone call with Macron, and thanks to you, he agreed to get out of Sahel, decolonize our DROM-COM, recognize palestinian genocide and form a french politburo to lead France towards communist revolution.
We couldn't have done without you
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Thank you for your brave service. By bullying french people on the internet, you have finally undone imperialism. You can now rest, hero.
I also support it. This crying fascist has no place in the fediverse. They'll contribute nothing to any of our discussions and even in their tantrum post it's just the same generic
conspiracy theories about everything being secret non-white plots against them. Why bother federating with a community that allows them?Fash are not welcome here. If you have any relevant posts to share, report them.
Hello @Cowbee@lemmy.ml,
I know you are usually quite positive about hexbear, what do you think about the comment above?
From a google translate of the post, it looks like general vague slander from OP, even other instance users are asking for examples from OP.
The linked post is ableist, it uses the word MAGA---- as a derogatory term, and there are conspiracy theories about CPC connection, as well as general anticommunism, which is linked to fascism historically (I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds).
Yeah, it has been pointed out below indeed.
On the other hand, while OP should indeed provide answers, why would HappyBadger accuse this instance of being fascist? OP only made a proposition, and other instance members immediately asked for evidence to support that proposal.
You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.
I accused this user of being a fascist. If 12 people are seated at a table with 1 fascist, tell me how many fascists are seated at that table.
This user is a fascist because they're doing the same generic anticommunism routine that all of the right-wing forums do. Create an anticommunist hysteria around a nonsensical boogeyman, widen the net as the next person they disagree with is also part of the sneaky non-white conspiracy against them, ratchet the community rightward. That specific process is why reddit is reddit. If someone's doing the same old trick on the Fediverse, I don't care if it's this forum with 8 monthly users I've never seen before or Lemmy.world/Lemm.ee with fresh content feeds. It attracts the same people and ends in the same place.
This goober thinks they're being gangstalked by Russian spies because someone on the internet disagreed with 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝒾𝓇 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃. Before you clutch your pearls about me calling them a fascist, the first question you should be asking is what that position is and what's so offensive about the Hexbear stance on it. Generally if we hate someone or something there's a pretty good reason for it.
Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.
Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.
You've convinced everyone with an attention span too short to read their comment and believe they can get the gist by reading the shorter response.
Anyone who actually read their comment and your description rightly see you as cowardly, stupid, and unhinged.
Your backhanded way of avoiding an argument is to paint their comment in a certain light and ignore its content. I haven't seen anyone say this obvious truth out loud yet so I will.
Your backhanded way of avoiding an argument is to paint their comment in a certain light and ignore its content. I haven’t seen anyone say this obvious truth out loud yet so I will.
The point is that there is no argument in the first place, no one here intends to defederate from hexbear, and you and your mates coming here aggressively and acting like unhinged assholes unprompted in a meta-instance discussion does not help.
This post is just OP having his jimmies rumbled and asking if because of it if can cut one of the oldest instance from our fedlist.
For someone now saying there isn't an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.
You've got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.
All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.
For someone now saying there isn’t an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.
You’ve got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.
You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?
All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.
I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.
You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?
See? You literally just say shit that has no connection to reality. Here you claim to read. You have proven to everyone that you do not. Not only by your ignorant handling of the original comment you replied to, but also now by ignoring both my statement and reasoning behind pointing out that you DO NOT adapt your tone to the one you're responding to!
Nothing you say means anything because everything you say is predetermined by your attitude alone. You don't read. Even if you did it would have no effect on what your opinion or response is. It has been shown now twice.
I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.
I no longer feel sympathy towards the french for 'le meme' because it turns out that's actually how you act
I no longer feel sympathy towards the french
Kinda cringe than in all french history, that's what it took you.
Anyone who actually read their comment and your description rightly see you as cowardly, stupid, and unhinged.
Ah oui quand même
J'ai pas vu d'aussi beau troll depuis des années. Faut dire que je suis devenu bon à les éviter mais notre pauvre admin vient de se prendre celui en plein le coin de l’œil.
"Pauvre" admin. C'est un des meilleurs ippon de jlai.lu, un Teddy Reiner, amha ça le gonfle et l'amuse 😁
Everyone I don't agree with is on drugs (which makes them an inferior person not worth listening to), a definitely-not-fascist bedtime story for smug internet liberals.
To be fair I'd love to write ketamine-fueled rants but it costs like $500 for a dose here. The best I can offer is coffee and sometimes-cannabis-fueled.
Not only do I disagree with OP and therefore agree with with your mate, but I don't have any issue with drug use.
My issue is with the fact that ketamine fulled drivel is not the best way to communicate with people and be correctly understood, speaking from experience.
Nah, that's the kind of weak dodge I would use back when I was a liberal casually saying ghoulish dork shit. If you use "ur prolly on drugs lol" to dismiss the argument of someone who is speaking with perfect clarity, you're just being a little snotty fuck looking for any excuse not to take in scary new information that might make you feel bad.
Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.
Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.
I already said I want to defederate with you. You get a pass on engaging with this comment because English is your second language.
I would have made my own post first but didn't know you exist until this post. Then I agreed with it. A more apt analogy would be getting a random text saying "I'm breaking up with you" and replying "ok".
An actually apt analogy would be one of your theater club mate receiving a text advising to leave the theater club because it's full of dubious people, your mate saying "lol no", and you sending a 10 pages pamphlet to the friend sending the text accusing them to be a fascist, completely unprompted.
The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them is on the same forum as the person who uses "tanky" as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks. I would ask how you see yourself ideologically, but you aren't making a good case for not being a fascist forum so that definition wouldn't mean much. Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with tankies and Asian conspiracies? Not the left-wing ones.
We have no post supporting capitalism. The whole server is critizing capitalism and supporting social and environnemental project.
It's great you have that perspective on it individually. You individually might be totally fine. I ask you the same question though: look at the company you keep. One of your mods, a full 1/8th of your monthly userbase, just used tankie as a slur. Against a forum that's... what? Too antizionist? Too antiracist? Too anti-imperialist? Too pro-LGBT? I still don't know either of their specific ideological disagreements with Hexbear and don't care. If I were you I'd be sceptical of people who use words the right-wing uses to describe the same enemies the right-wing has. A nebulous term like tankie can be used to condemn anyone. An out-group enemy that only exists through conspiracy theories can be used to condemn anyone. Neither can be specifically defined in the same way me using "liberal" or "fascist" as an in-group enemy can be. If you feel genuinely committed to something as radical as environmentalism, you're too radical for that forum and you'll be the tankie or the sneaky Asian spy when they run out of more radical candidates. I wouldn't want to be on Hexbear if people used language like that unironically.
One of your mods, a full 1/8th of your monthly userbase, just used tankie as a slur.
How did you come to that number? Our total monthly userbase is 220 users per month for the instance.
I'm just going off the number on the sidebar when I'm viewing your instance through this one. Now it's diluted by this thread and it says 55 users/month, but when I first saw the thread it was at 8/month. Lemmy can be weird about syncing with other things so it might be that: https://i.imgur.com/ODSkS0n.png .
Yeah those counters are usually quite inaccurate, you always have to check on the source instance to be sure.
May i convaince you otherwise about this mod ? Here is Anansi (sysop) answer to TheFirish :
N'ayant fait part d'aucun exemple concret, je ne vois pas pourquoi on défédèrerait une instance historique.
La seule participation active de leurs membres à l'instance (jlai.lu), est, de mémoire, dans ce thread, ce qui me semble justifié.
Si tu ne souhaites pas voir le contenu d'Hexbear, tu peux la blacklister dans tes options de profil, comme toute autre instance, depuis une ou deux versions de lemmy.
Having not given any concrete examples, I do not see why we would defederate from a historical instance.
The only active participation of their members in the instance (jlai.lu) is, from memory, in this thread, which seems justified to me.
If you don't want to see hexbear's content, you can blacklist it in your profile options, like any other instance, since one or two versions of lemmy.
We had another post about defederating Hexbear long before, almost one year ago where TGhost, thank to her, talked to anansi and convainced him to keep the federation with hexbear.
If you can comment here, and see our posts that's due to @anansi's decision and @TGhost's argument.
Currently, in this thread, heated arguments, meme, trolling, wich are spreading to the whole lemmyverse aren't helping us. They are a fun thing to do but it often end up badly.
Anyway, i hope that translation and this historical decisions/fact from jlai.lu, can give you a new perspective on jlai.lu and anansi.
You can trust us and let us handle the situation.
If you feel genuinely committed to something as radical as environmentalism, you’re too radical for that forum and you’ll be the tankie or the sneaky Asian spy when they run out of more radical candidates.
Attention Snoopy, méfie-toi de nous, on est anti activisme environnemental 😆
I'm not saying you're anti-environmentalists. Plenty of liberals are environmentalists. I'm saying that I've seen two users, including a mod, use undefinable words that have one rhetorical purpose. You use a word like "tankie" or an idea like "all my enemies are foreign spies" to set a limit on dissent. I could ask that user what the specific line between a tankie and non-tankie is, but if that answer even makes sense then it sets a firm limit on how radical someone can be. I'm an eco-Marxist, I study it as closely as I can and work practically as one, the books on my shelf are mostly about what I'd consider part of an eco-Marxist critique. I understand environmentalism as a complex intersectional war of liberation. What part of that makes me a tankie versus the acceptable position? If there's preemptive surrender to power, if some part of that intersectional struggle is unacceptable or some act or idea or theorist is too far, I don't care how many paintings you've splashed with soup today.
Meh, I use tanky to differentiate between leftists and people that cosplay as leftist while excusing genocide and human rights violation whenever it's their flavor of autocrat doing it, not really as an anti-communist word since nobody uses it like that in the first place.
it sets a firm limit on how radical someone can be
No, it sets a limit on how much you accept your fellow comrades from being used as a stepping tool by an authoritarian regime/dictator to be able to call yourself "communist", while ending up in state capitalism anyway.
I may concede that from my years on hexbear, I associate most participants to this kind of communism flavor by default, which may not be your case, but this thread did not really start in good faith, so why would I.
That is terrific, I'm glad that you are yourself anti-capitalist. I don't think the whole jlai.lu instance is, though, and at least one mod is apparently quite conservative.
If you're talking about me, that's kind of a funny way to see it I guess, albeit pretty dumb and most likely lacking in political history for it to be your guess.
The whole instance is not anti capitalistic but many of the most active users are and we have dedicated leftist and pro-tolerance communities. The instance is overtly antifascist, the few doubtful users that posted were kicked out promptly.
The feeling is also anti-authoritarian so tankies wouldn't feel at ease, but I dont think they'd be kicked out unless blatantly promoting imperialist / authoritarian agendas.
Well, i'm affraid language barriere doesn't help...and there is some part of misunderstanding and french's culture is different 😟
When we talk about PCC or the Kremlin, we are mainly critizing imperialism. We do make a clear line between communism and imperialism.
We also critize France, and our actions to change it is currently repressed by the police. We document it there. I don't read it, it depress me a lot and i have to care about myself.
https://jlai.lu/c/quefaitlapolice?
You can also check those communities :
You can also check @Frirish@jlai.lu posts.
He has expressed his point of view about hexbear but that doesn't represent our opinion until proven otherwise.
The first thing we (anyone, everyone not necessary the mod/admin team) do is talking to people (even modo, admin are included and can be demoted anytime) and pointing out what's wrong.
That's the first thing we did. We asked for source and pointed out it's normal that you would react here.
Then, we ask them to edit their post as a way to apologize.
The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them
The fuck you're talking about
the person who uses “tanky” as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks
>opens hexbear
>see a meme in the front page using the same rhetoric as Israel when it denies the palestinian genocide, to deny Uyghurs genocide by China
Kinda selective opposition I guess.
Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with genocide denial and defending authoritarian regimes? Not the left-wing ones.
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Cool, the person who uses tankie as an insult is an Adrian Zenz fan and has a Nazi frog emoji on hand for logical gotchas.
Again you are not making a good case here. Snoopy's giving it their best, but you're setting off my
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ketamine fulled diatribe
Everyone that disagrees with me must be on drugs or a russian puppet or mentally ill.
Fuck all the way off. Go ahead defederate, clearly nothing of value is lost.
Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you’re defending.
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Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.
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You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.
I asked Cowbee because we had been discussing recently how interactions between Hexbear and other instances sometimes play out, so I thought it would be relevant to have their perspective on this example.
About the rest of your arguments, seems to have been addressed in this comment: https://hexbear.net/post/3694795/5510986
Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…
Explain this rhetorical trick to me.
Do you think my grandma would be a bicycle if she had tyres instead of legs?
Going back to the thing that did actually happen, take two:
Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…
Explain this rhetorical trick to me.
The correct pun is "if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike" btw
C'est un passage dans un talk show américain de cuisine, où un chef italien (Gigi D'Acampo) propose de faire une sorte de gratin (je me rappelle plus du plat). Une présentatrice dit à un moment un truc du genre "si on rajoutait [un ingrédient] ça ressemblerait à [un autre plat qui n'a rien a voir], forcément le chef est choqué et il lâche cette phrase pour montrer le ridicule de la phrase "si ma grand mère avait des roues elle serait une bicyclette"
Un lien youtube vers la séquence : https://youtu.be/OplyHCIBmfE
The linked post is ableist, it uses the word MAGA---- as a derogatory term, and there are conspiracy theories about CPC connection, as well as general anticommunism, which is linked to fascism historically (I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds).
The comment accused the user of fascism, not necessarily the instance.
Hello,
Thank you for commenting here.
The linked post is there for context, no decision was made at the time, we remained federated with hexbear. We are going to ask the author of that post to edit it.For OP, not sure if things got lost in translation, but their point was that "Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc… I think that, in my humble opinion, their behavior and their ways of brigading and defaming an opinion that diverges only slightly from their current of thought, sincerely goes against the state of mind of our community on this instance."
So the CPC theories are irrelevant, as OP is strictly referring about brigading
Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.
I have no interest in debating the broader issue, but your bolding here is silly:
Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…
The idea of us being connected to either group is a harebrained conspiracy theory, so I think speaking of it as though it is credible while saying you won't talk about it is classic apophasis, i.e. a rhetorical device for making insinuations about something you want to denigrate while dodging responsibility for doing so.
Do you think things would have happened differently if OP has just said "I think that, in my humble opinion, their behavior and their ways of brigading and defaming an opinion that diverges only slightly from their current of thought, sincerely goes against the state of mind of our community on this instance" ?
I think there are multiple things one can complain about, I was simply objecting to your minimizing one of them. I think even within that modified statement there is malicious (or perhaps self-victimizing) mischaracterization, but I don't feel like arguing about the other statements as others can probably do just as good a job and have more enthusiasm than I do for endlessly re-addressing the same complaints, which increasingly feels to me like the main dealing Hexbear has with liberal comms.
Citation dont je partage la pensée en lisant ce thread mdr, quelle bande de bachi-bouzouks
Attention, toi aussi tu fais parti de l'instance facho, c'est bien connu 😂
On passe notre temps à parler de sujets de gauche, à promouvoir les initiatives de gauche, à critiquer Macron, le RN et toute la clique, mais les mecs ils débarquent et hop, ils savent tout. Franchement ça me fume comment c'est dingue.
Je devrais tag l'utilisateur avec Gauche dans son nom, il apprécierait sûrement.
Après attention, bachi-bouzouk -> le Capitaine Haddock -> Hergé -> le Congo, cqfd!
Enfin...
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If they had leveled the standard online forum slapfight nothingburger charges, but with slightly different wording? No, probably not.
That adds clarification. My understanding is that interaction between this instance and Hexbear is limited to begin with due to the French language barrier, ergo brigading doesn't make sense as a defederation reason, but this isn't my instance. I do have a Hexbear account, so obviously I am pro-Hexbear.
Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.
Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.
Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.
It's been a while that I've read it but iirc that's not what is described in the book due to the difference in intent.
Anticommunism is born from the ruling/fascist adjacent class to misled less politicized people by manufacturing false consciousness. While anticommunism materialistically helps capitalism and fascism, this is not the intent of the anticommunists, while it is the overt goal of the fascists.
A dumbass being anticommunist because of gaslighting is fundamentally different from someone being an actual fascist. The former will still be able to change his mind, the latter won't because it's usually coming from it's material interest.
Saying they are twins is not only a misleading, but it also hides the different mechanisms between anticommunism and fascism.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. As Capitalism decays, Communist sentiment rises, and Capitalism employs its defensive mechanism, fascism, against it. The largest sources of anticommunism come from the same place as fascism, they aren't the same, but they are twins. That's my point.
Oh! Let me guess what your problem with that comment is!
"Pointing out racism is uncivil and deserves undivided scorn"
My guess is influenced by the fact that there isn't much else to have a problem with
What are you whining about specifically? What about that comment isn't to your liking?
En voyant leurs réponses à ce post, je soutiens ton avis. Être désagréable comme ca parce qu'on met en question ton instance c'est toxique.
J'étais vraiment neutre sur la question avant ce post, mais au vu de leur brigading, je plussoie maintenant totalement le fait de les défédérer.
J’étais vraiment neutre sur la question avant ce post, mais au vu de leur brigading, je plussoie maintenant totalement le fait de les défédérer.
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Même avis que toi, ils ne s'aident pas avec ce genre de brigading dès que le nom de leur instance est mentionné
Edit : d'ailleurs perso quand je vais voir une instance autre que jlai.lu, je fais attention à leurs règles, ce qui clairement n'est pas leur cas vu les attaques gratuites envers OP, entre autres
probably just me tbh. i have like, most of fedi blocked for being only brainrot meta shitposts and such. it keeps more serious stuff like this from smaller communities in my feed regularly even though i browse all/active mostly.
for my part i blocked hexbear within a week of joining and have not looked back, and i think blocking at the personal level is the appropriate course here.
+1! I've been absent... what? 13 hours and I find out what? Que notre instance est prise à l'abordage par Hexbear et que les autres instances sont autour à popcorn ?! Il se passe quoi au juste ??
Bon sang... Plus je lis les commentaires, plus j'écarquille les yeux OP a invoqué tout le gratin du fédivers avec son petit post.
these people are living in a pre-hog society. we have come to enlighten them
J'ai été banni de memes sur hexbear pour avoir réaffirmé le génocide en cours des Uyghours en Chine. Cette instance est malsaine et répand la désinformation
N'ayant fait part d'aucun exemple concret, je ne vois pas pourquoi on défédèrerait d'une instance historique.
La seule participation active de leurs membres à l'instance, est, de mémoire, dans ce thread, ce qui me semble justifié.
Si tu ne souhaites pas voir le contenu de hexbear, tu peux la blacklister dans tes options de profil, comme toute autre instance, depuis une ou deux versions de lemmy.
J'ai clairement heurté leur sensibilité rien qu'avec le titre ça je suis d'accord. À la base je ne m'attendais pas du tout à voir leur commentaires ici surtout à cause de la barrière de la langue.
Je pensait que ça allait une petite conversation et débat entre nous et une petite nuit tranquille pour moi (il est déjà tard là où je suis) que je pourrais poster quelque exemple demains etc... mais mon post s'est affiché en ”hot” sur leur instance........
Je vais me coucher et je vais essayer le trouver quelques pépites comme exemples plus tard.
Encore une fois rien que leur interaction avec ce post reflète parfaitement l'état d'esprit de cette communauté.
Pour rajouter une petite chose même si l'on peut qualifier leur réponse comme étant "justifiée" je ne pense pas que m'accuser de soutient aux nazi, Facho et insuite partir en live sur du MAGA (même si cowbee s'est rattrapé sur la fin merci pour ça) sois une réponse mesurée.
À la base je ne m’attendais pas du tout à voir leur commentaires ici surtout à cause de la barrière de la langue.
Je pense qu'on a tous été surpris
je ne pense pas que m’accuser de soutient aux nazi, Facho
Non effectivement, je l'ai fait remarquer
partir en live sur du MAGA
Le MAGA date du poste de l'année passée que tu as mis en lien, je me demandais aussi d'où ça sortait au début.
J'ai l'impression qu'on a récupéré le ou les meilleurs en plus sur ce post 🤣
Bref, mis a part les boulets qui voient des nazis partout (ils on du ratter c/gauchisse et les quelques fritages de fachos qu'on a eu), pour l'instant je ne voit pas de problème avec la fédé.
Bon pour revenir ici et lister quelque exemples on pour ce qui est de l'appel à la violence on a :
https://hexbear.net/comment/5511565
pour la toxicité en général on a ce post :
https://hexbear.net/post/3683187
Célébration de la violence :
https://hexbear.net/post/3628416
Ce n'est que quelque exemples de façon générale même si on peut être d'accord ou pas avec leur message. C'est en opposition assez concrète avec le message que l'on porte ici.
Edit : Je suis désolé pour les admins/modos car mon intention de base était d'enrichir au moins le contenu sur cette instance avec un débat/conversation mais à la place je suis accidentellement responsable d'avoir secoué un nids de frelons ce qui a profondément nuit à la conversation.
Excuses acceptées. En tout cas, ça ne justifiait pas leur reactions virulentes non plus. D'autres se sont posés, on prendra tout le temps qu'il faut.
D'un autre coté, ça peut être justement l'occasion de discuter avec eux, d'expliquer ce qui est problématique et de les amener à changer un peu.
Puis, ça fait un moment que c'est tranquille ici. :)
Hello,
Merci pour ce post.
Aurais-tu des examples de leurs prises de positions? Cela permettrait que chacun puisse se faire une idéeInutile y'en a déjà un qui vient de se présenter à l'acceuil https://hexbear.net/comment/5510780
Ca resterait bien d'avoir 2-3 exemples. Pour les défendre, si on venait venir parler de défédérer Jlai.lu à cause de comportement problématiques sans donner d'exemples, je serais sans doute un peu remonté aussi.
Pour les comportements problématiques ça va être assez simple car rien que dans ce fil ils viennent de faire le travail à ma place. Les autres personnes si elles n'ont pas encore bloqué cette instance n'ont qu'à lire les commentaires ici.
Je n'ai rien à ajouter de plus.
Ca devient un peu bizarre parce que
- tu dénonces un comportement problématique
- ils viennent critiquer des accusations sans fondement
- ces critiques deviennent les preuves de comportement problématique
Je ne dis pas qu'ils n'ont pas de comportement problématiques, mais pour que la décision soit prise de manière objective, ce serait mieux que tu donnes 2-3 exemples d'ailleurs que de ce fil.
Hexbear qui nie l'existence de génocide en Chine et me bannit pour ça https://hexbear.net/comment/5506443
"Ils" sont des boulets mais ça n'explique pas vraiment en quoi l'instance dans sa globalité est nuisible.
Quand j'ai lu le titre du post et vu le nombre de commentaires, je savais déjà ce que j'allais trouver en cliquant dessus.
Alors mes chers petits jlailuftwaffen, vous en pensez quoi de l’expérience Hexagonours ? 😅
Perso leur instance était déjà bloquée sur mon compte. Je les vois comme un 18-25 de JVC mais à gauche et international, les discussions ne volent jamais haut.
Malheureusement, je vois sur ce post que bloquer l'instance dans les paramètres ne permet pas d'échapper à leurs commentaires, mais bon, jusqu'ici ça ne m'avait pas gêné, donc je ne suis pas spécialement pour les défédérer.
de-federation is effectively a ban and banning at a the instance level creates centralization; which is 100% contrary to the ethos of the fediverse.
block them yourself; but don't make that decision for other people who didn't ask you for it.
