Oh, and apparently people only support Palestine because "They're losing." And "It doesn't matter whose wrong or right they're both just fighting for survival. Who cares about supporting either of them."

Other highlight "Palestine has homophobia built into it's law. Like Russia." Said by a cis person too lmao

Hahahaha fuck me I wish I had the energy and skill to school people like this but I just can't be bothered hahaha I'm so tired.

"Both sides bad" types are even more insufferable than out Zionists sometimes.

  • Mindfury [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    at this point, just tell people "isntreal would fire a missile into your family home and you'd thank them for it you weak binch" before walking off

    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 days ago

      Oh I love this little quote from Lenin

      When a liberal is abused, he says, ‘Thank God they didn’t beat me.’ When he is beaten, he thanks God they didn’t kill him. When he is killed, he will thank God that his immortal soul has been delivered from its mortal clay.

  • LalSalaamComrade@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    It took the USA 87 years to abolish slavery, and 144 years to introduce voting rights to women. It took around 189 years for the Jim Crow laws to be abolished "formally" - part of it still exists even to this day. Palestine, on the other hand, never had a chance to exist as a free, sovereign state.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      3 days ago

      And 227 to decriminalise homosexuality on federal level, and considering it was the same procedure as abortion legalisation, it is equally flimsy.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    3 days ago

    Time to play the "how many gay people Hamas killed vs how many gay people Israel killed" game to get them to stfu

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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      3 days ago

      Add on that "who do you think gay Gazans (or even West Bankians) support, Israel or Hamas? Who do you think they supported even before October 7th?"

  • я не из калининграда@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    strange how their feigned concern for womans rights always disappears when talking about pro-american regimes like saudi arabia, or you know the zionist geniciders. ask them to say that again while looking in the eyes of the countless women and girls removed*d, murdered or otherwise brutalized by zionazi soldiers! the illegal entity is the biggest threat to womens rights in the region simply by being the biggest threat to human life in the levant in general.

  • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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    3 days ago

    Honestly, for those kinds of people there are two main phrases to use - "what the fuck are you talking about/are you fucking stupid" and "what the fuck is wrong with you". You're not talking to informed individuals who have thought deeply on the issue, you're talking to idiots who haven't paid any attention then started making stuff up to justify their ignorance once it moved back to the centre of the news cycle. They aren't going to start paying attention just because you explained what's happening to them, so make them feel stupid, and bad for being stupid.

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    What a surprise that liberals are going back to the early 2000s Islamophobia well! I always knew at the back of my head that some of the people who supposedly were against the Amerikkkan wars back then weren’t genuine.

  • AfterthoughtC - he/ him@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    Meanwhile Israel itself also hopes that women and queer folk who object to their actions get brutalised, if not threaten to out you. Point this out however and they will accuse you of what about ism.

  • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    3 days ago

    If you walked into the rubble in full drag with a case of bottled waters and a bag of trail mix the majority child population of Palestine would probably thank you. Call me naive the way I don't think they have the energy to be upset about other people's gender expression in the wake of shit that makes you sick to your stomach to witness. Call it childish optimism to think that these children wouldn't carry a bunch of patriarchal hatred into the future given the chance to be free of oppression.

  • Barabas [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    I wonder how many people see those Hamas=ISIS posts and believe it.

    The only faction involved in the current conflict that hasn't fought ISIS is Israel, by some curious coincidence. They've actively helped them instead.

  • Weedian [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    meanwhile in the USA the libs say if the dems, who are currently doing genocide, lose the election there will be a genocide against queer people

    how can a country that prides itself on being progressive and tolerant, one that lectures other countries for not being accepting if its only 1 election away from removing all the rights of non cis hetero citizens?

  • Angel [any]
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    3 days ago

    Earlier today, I watched a livestream debate regarding the controversy that this Zionist vegan dude got for making this post. In this debate, he was having a discussion with an anti-Zionist vegan that he invited on, Catherine Klein.

    His arguments were beyond abysmal, and among them was this "Palestinians are homophobic and misogynistic, so that justifies the wrath that Israel is bringing upon them!" pinkwashing type of shit. In addition, he also veganwashed by bringing up the fact that Isn'trael has a relatively high vegan population as a contrast to the fact that Palestinian Arabs are mostly Muslims and Muslims celebrate Eid Al-Adha. I shit you not.

    I didn't agree with Catherine on everything she said obviously, but I talked to her personally both before and after she had this debate, and I was even able to correct the nature of some of the things she said in a way that she could digest it, like the fact that she ConDEMnEd hamaS.

    Ultimately, she and I obviously agree that this guy's reactionary bullshit that he tries to spill into the vegan movement is massive amounts of insufferable cringe.

    isntrael ukkk

    • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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      3 days ago

      This reminded me of a comment I saw years ago on reddit (r/vegancirclejerk to be precise) someone was stanning Isntreal because they have a large portion of vegans and attributed the fact to them suffering from the Holocaust and thus understanding how that works within the meat industry.

      Yeah that's all well and good but they're literally doing a Holocaust 2 to Palestinians! Liberals and their consequences I swear to fuck

      • Inui [comrade/them]
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        3 days ago

        A little tangential to your point because it doesn't justify Israel's actions or anything, but there's a really good book I just wanted to share called Eternal Treblinka that explores the views of holocaust survivors in relation to animals, among other things. I imagine the person you talked with read this, but had some twisted takeaways.

        “In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.”

      • VHS [he/him]
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        3 days ago

        Hitler was a vegetarian and he fucking committed the Holocaust. Plenty of fascists who like animals more than minorities

        • citrussy_capybara [ze/hir]
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          3 days ago

          he didn’t care about animals, it was purely health/gi tract issues cause by his meat-heavy up-yours-woke-moralists diet and his doctors told him he had to cut out meat but he still had cheat meals and found it difficult to give up

        • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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          3 days ago

          Hitler was a vegetarian

          on and off, but yeah. A large portion of the population being vegan is the only good thing about Israhell. Most moral army with their vegan boots that they use to crush baby skulls.

    • Rania 🇩🇿@lemmygrad.ml
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      3 days ago

      Israel is the fourth largest consumer of beef in the world per capita, trailing just behind Argentina, Brazil, and the United States. The average Israeli consumes over 19 kilograms of meat every single year.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      No thanks, I don't want honey on my tea, I can't bring myself to inflict suffering on other living beings. But be quick about it, my break is about to end and I have to get back to sniping racially inferior children.

  • Rania 🇩🇿@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 days ago

    I like to call this campfire stories propaganda, a choose your own adventure style of lying, it's the same for the DPRK but 20th and not in the desert.
    The best part about this is that you'll find out these guys are the same that are the most transphobic and homophobic of everyone, for example Isaac Butterfield, Australian "comedian" one day he'll make a video about how evil trans women are for having genitalia he doesn't like, the other day he'll make a video about how evil Hamas is for beheading trans people (they never did that).
    The middle east queer rights and feminism discussion I find is the biggest sign of cognitive dissonance for westerners, even when a country like Iran outright makes being trans legal (although transmedicalist unfortunately) they still don't believe it or make up another lie like how it's for making gay people straight even though this decredits the work of Iranian trans right activists.
    Keep in mind this isn't exclusive to liberals, but also present in a lot of leftists who don't know shit but act like they know anything.

  • refolde [she/her, any]
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    3 days ago

    I think it should be legal to sock these kinds of people in the face. In fact, I think you should get paid for doing so. And if they retaliate you are allowed to use a flamethrower to burn them to a crisp.