Looks like my account was banned/restricted for the above interaction, have already sent the mods on world an email asking if they'd be willing to reverse that. Had an episode of psychosis a few months ago where I did say some offensive stuff, (understandably) got a 3 month ban on .lol for that, so could see my account having been flagged.
I uh, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to check others profiles to ensure we are correctly pronouning them… when making a throw away comment that is less than 10 words involving a ludicrously common saying. Jerboa does not show users pronouns. I could switch to an app that DOES show the pronouns, do any Lemmings have a recommendation for a free Lemmy mobile app that has that feature?
Edit: Edie chimed in, Jerboa does show pronouns. It's a formatting issue with mobile vs browser (She has them on individual text lines so they don't appear on mobile).
Was just going to respond to the user in question to let them know I wasn't purposefully trying to offend that individual, to discover I'm not able to post or make comments on world now, so figured I'd see what y'alls opinion on the matter is.
Usually when I make a mistake while trying to act in good faith, I apologize. Posting about the interaction without apology and flashing names of non-mods involved is not the way to correct your mistake, nor to garner sympathy.
I did apologize to the mod I emailed. Not looking for sympathy, frankly I was more interested from a technical perspective as to why her pronouns aren't showing on Jerboa, but they were on the browser.
·2 months agoBrowsers will collapse white space, line breaks are converted to spaces.
Jerboa does not collapse white space, and instead rendered the display name with the line breaks. But, one possible reason is that, the area for usernames/display names can only display 1 line, so all of the pronouns got cut off.
That wasn't your question though. If a technical jerboa question is what you intended to ask, about 90% of your post didn't need to be included and the question in the title needed to be very different.
As to your edit, I would not recommend PM'ing the user directly; that may be very unwelcome and further breach rules of that community. Personally, I would have asked the mods for a chance to edit my comment and apologize publicly. But with previous history of your self-described "psychosis", if I were the mod I would be skeptical of your motivations.
I think you shouldn't assume everyone on the internet to be a man. It is misogynistic. I don't think there would be anything wrong with e.g. referring gender neutrally to someone who turns out to be a woman because you didn't check her profile which says she's a woman, but it is annoying to see people assume everyone on the internet to be male. I've especially experienced this in more techy communities which definitely seems like sexist stereotyping to me.
This is deeply shitty. If you're right that >80% of people on Lemmy are men (I'm not sure I buy that), then it's even worse to assume everyone is a man. What you're doing is chasing off the already extremely outnumbered non-men. If you want this place to be welcoming to people who aren't men, then you need to change your behavior.
Right right, which is why a good majority of instances have entirely defederated from hexbear.
Is it me who's in the terrible instance that most people hate? No, no, it must be that they are all the hated people!
Yeah no, hexbear is simply an awful place to go which gets closer and closer to a echo chamber every day. But do keep on telling people to have some introspection without any yourself.
if the people we despise are cursing us, it means we are on the right track
It's sexist because you assume male to be the default, just like the assumption that white is the default skin color is racist. The behavior outlined by the user above you follows from this thinking. Driving non-men away is a result of this behavior, which is the result of the sexist attitude that it's okay to assume everyone online (or on Lemmy) is a man.
The only people driven away by eir comment are misogynists.
If that comment would chase you away, then I think it would be good for you to be chased away
Ok, then try your comment again. What is it that you're saying here?
It's statistically a reasonable guess that your a huge nerd, but that doesn't mean it's right for someone to just walk up and shove you into a locker. However, based on what you've said here that now seems like a pretty good idea.
What app do you use? Last I checked, pronouns are part of display names for Hexbear users. You shouldn’t have to check profiles. That’s the whole point of them being included in display names. Your app would ideally just respect display names and it would require no extra effort on your part to gender people correctly.
Jerboa, made an edit on the post asking for a free Lemmy mobile recommendation that has the feature.
Use Thunder. Its on Fdroid. Or you can grab it straight from Github with Obtanium.
I don’t think it’s necessary to check every profile for potential pitfalls when interacting with them. But honestly, in this case there is an obvious transgender flag in the profile name that should make you at least question your first assumption.
What percentage of the populace do you think knows what the transgender flag looks like? :|
What do your racist ideas of a homogenous global south with no queers have to do with this. Literally why say this.
You said it yourself in this comment. There aren't queers there. Well, there are. They just aren't treated very well if they're open about it, to my knowledge. Logically, if a culture is "not there", or in this context, being legally and culturally suppressed, I doubt there is going to be much awareness about things like which letters in LGBTQ+ corresponds to which flag. Id be happy to read something that you think would be enlightening on the subject.
Shut the fuck up cracker, there's no "reading" which can cover such vastly different regions of the world with their own queer histories. By bringing up your orientalist ideas of the global south you're only proving your own stupidity. You clearly exist in a context in which the trans flag is common and a clear indicator to pay special regards to that user's pronouns, and instead of just apologizing and moving on you're making a mockery of yourself by trying to use your own racism to disguise your transphobia.
Someone got mad enough to report you for this lmaooooo
To my knowledge
Your "knowledge" is years of reddit threads and a lifetime of immersion in US imperial propaganda meant to dehumanize its enemies while justifying its own endless violent interventions.
Before lgbtq rights, the excuse was spreading democracy, and before that it was "bringing civillization." The truth is, the US doesn't give a shit about their rights, it only cares about using them as an excuse for mass murder. They actively make life more dangerous for queer people around the world by using queerness as a human shield for their activities, same as Isreal does with jewishness, tying them together in the eyes of a casual observer, lying to its victims that "we are bombing you because you are homophobic/antisemetic and we are Jewish/queer" while it simply bombs them for their land and resources.
America does not defend queer people, it puppets them into the line of fire.
It'd be like if I kept you in a basement for 20 years, then murdered an entire neighborhood of people, then put up a billboard saying "I did this so ToucheGoodSir could have a place to live, because I love him."
And then other people looked at that billboard and said "wow, that ShimmeringKoi sure treats his friends well."
On top of all that America also just actively persecutes queer people. People will say "oh that's just the republicans" as if that isn't half the country and it's not just the republicans, but a large group of democrats. Then they'll say "oh, but we're not as bad as [enemy of the week]" which funnily enough is actually a whatabouterismerino, but also not really a valid argument if you're saying it's okay to bomb a country if they're mean to queer people. So it's okay to be kinda mean to queer people?
On top of that there's also the fact that some of the US' closest allies are countries like Saudi Arabia, not to mention the many far right anti-lgbtq dictators the state has installed over the years.
On top of that the US has only recently gotten "good" on queer rights. Homosexuality wasn't decriminalised in the whole of the US until 2003 (and we're not talking some weird little forgotten law, it wasn't until a supreme court decision forced several states to finally stop being bigoted.)
At the same time the GDR had decriminalised homosexuality by 1957 and with constitutional reform fully legal by 1968
The GDR did this despite inheriting the nazis legal code (according to a wikipedia source which I will not fact check.)
Would it have been acceptable, nay morally right, for the GDR to bomb the US?
definitely, but not just because of da gays
Does the term come from the comic or is that comic just someone who decided to illustrate what the term meant? I have seen the whole comic, I'm more asking about a chicken-egg thing, out of curiosity.
Most folks on the planet are Indian, Chinese, or in an Islamic country of some sort. Now do tell, dear blakeus12. How do all of those cultures treat LGBTQ+ people :|
China has cities bigger than New York that are pretty trans-positive. These entities aren't monolithic in their values, and in fact I would say they are more diverse in their values for better and for worse, compared to the US. What you are referring to is a cartoon perspective on these ~dozen countries spoon fed to you by western chauvinists.
Ha, there it is, couldn't resist propagandizing for long using the same excuse currently being used to justify the genocide of Palsetinians
Most folks on the planet are Indian, Chinese, or in an Islamic country of some sort. Now do tell, dear blakeus12. How do all of those cultures treat LGBTQ+ people :|
I've lived in at least one of the countries you've mentioned. LGBTQ+ people exist and live in the same capacity they do in western Europe and North America. It seems ridiculous for a westerner to try to implicate global majority countries for queerphobia when the US and UK are currently on a trans exterminatory cultural rampage. Stones in glass houses shit.
Better than yanks
They also have hypersonic missiles to kill you when you continue slandering them
How many LGBTQ+ people in Gaza are being murdered by bombs dropped by Israel and supplied by the US?
Most of it, but that has nothing to do with you and is just a meagre deflection. The right response would have been "whoops my bad, didn't notice that, I'll do better next time" or a variation thereof.
Shifting the discussion as you are trying to do is just poor behaviour that makes your alleged genuine questions seem much less so. Sort of how like when I misgender someone I don't go and make a big fuss about it, dig my heels in and try to start a discussion about morality or expectations. I correct my mistake and thank the person for informing me of it. It's not a big deal unless you make it one, which you've done
I don't think there is. The transgender flag is for anyone that is trans. There are transfemme and transmasc specific flags (though they aren't in Unicode so they can't be used like I do the trans flag). Do note that transfemme / -masc does not mean transgender woman and man, they describe how one would like to present and/or express themselves.
Just stop using gender specific pronouns at all. Makes things much simpler
This is what I try to do. This has been made slightly more difficult after “they” became a pronoun in its own right. I’ve only had one person get upset by my using “they” before knowing their preferred pronouns though, and when my intent was clarified it was fine. But like damn what other default pronoun exists? I guess this is what getting old feels like, it’s not like Iwant to be a boomer about this.
I use they/them as a default. I'll catch myself in using them and go "wait, what is this persons pronouns" and check, on platforms like Lemmy that have it, their display name for pronouns, and if there aren't any, then bio. If neither have any pronouns I'll use they/them. If there are pronouns I will not use they/them unless listed.
To clarify, I’ve never had anyone online get upset with me using they/them, it’s only been in person, after hearing about my conversation with someone else from that second person. I was just left scratching my head with that one, like at least I was trying right? Ultimately though I’ve never experienced being misgendered, by accident or intentionally, so idk how it feels, idk how it feels after the thousandth time, and so I can’t really be mad about it back you know? I was just more sad that the default globally applicable pronoun wasn’t anymore, even if it usually still is.
i find this very easy on lemmy, in english. i'm usually talking to folks more than about them. if i do want to talk about someone, i'll check their profile, or default to 'they' if data is lacking, but it's a rare enough thing so as to be little burden.
If somebody corrects you about gender, just say woops, correct yourself, and move on. It's an honest mistake, a simple fix, and nobody should be offended. Especially online. If they are still offended, it's because they want to be.
It's reasonable, especially if they got a trans flag in their name. But even if not, it's one click and a swipe back.
Just be more careful with gendered language. Also, the trans flag was right there
I did not know that was the trans flag. Appreciate ya letting me know >_<
“The them, the myth… the X”. Forsure, that does seem more meme anyways.
What did you think it was... the flag of Cista Roca?
I am tickled by this and fully support your TIL process.
There are a lotta flags out there. Like dog, most Americans in NYC ouldn't even point to Iraq on a map, many even pointing to the US when asked where Iraq was.. As we were actively invading them post 9/11.
Id bet 100$ if there was a test of the general populace on knowing what that flag was, the pass rate would be below 5%.
As soon as I realized that it was similar to the Costa Rican flag but with 1 inversion, and switching the vowels of the latter out yielded "Cis", I had to make the pun.
Happy to help, and don't feel down for the restriction, in today's hellworld where people's identities are constantly and violently challenged it's hard to not be jumpy when something doesn't seem right
Maybe a stupid question, but how do I tell from the flag whether that's a trans fem or trans masc?
If it's an ambiguous name you might have to check. Fortunately, Edie is an unambiguously female name, and the clear majority of binary trans people pick clearly gender-coded names.
Fortunately, Edie is an unambiguously female name,
Is it? My first glance would assume it's some variant spelling of Eddie. Never run into anyone called Edie.
I suppose it's unambiguous to you, but I had never heard of the name before
It's an unambiguos female name in english maybe. OP might be from an english-speaking country, but you really can't make this sort of assumption on a global website
you really can't make this sort of assumption
That was the original point about gendered language but you seem to have flipped it on its head.
There are no stupid questions, but the one you should ask yourself is "should i try to use gender neutrale language and/or check their bio or should i not care and risk hurting someone?"
If you care about not hurting people, you'll find the right answer, and if an honest mistake happens, own it and people will generally be understandable. It's really not that different from common courtesy, it just isn't the norm yet
I personally prefer to stick to gender neutral language in general. Maybe it's my autism, but a lot of the time profiles don't help me much unless there are preferences are listed explicitly
I too stick to gender neutral language in general, it just feels better to do so when i don't know who is "in front" of me. When profiles don't help I think it's best to not assume anything and just speak neutrally
You don't but you'll know that it probably matter that you get it right
Using a client that shows the pronouns in hexbear is good and it sounds like you are doing that now.
As a follow up, I recommend approaching gender just as one would if they were bring mindful with new people. If you don't know pronouns, using they/them is a fine way to start referring to someone neutrally. You can also just use their name. It is considerate to then figure out what they prefer in a non-awkward way, either by how others talk or by just asking them nicely. Having pronouns displayed by names is just helpful for clarity and speeding things up online.
I personally try to avoid gendered language, but if I do use it, I tend to check their profile-bio :)
I'm not even interested in the username of the person I'm responding to. I tend to ignore it completely unless there's a comment like "lol, username checks out".
There are very few times I will bother to check someones profile. They have to either say something so awesome that I want to see more, or have given a take so hot I want to see if they're trolling or if this is standard behaviour for them.
While it looks like the whole Jerboa/"miscommunication" thing has been sorted out here I want to chime in to say that no, I don't think that checking profiles for anything is a reasonable expectation.
I tend to ignore it completely unless there's a comment like "lol, username checks out".
Why not just stay on reddit then jfc you libs are so boring and predictable.
dude are you complaining that its hard for you in particular to look less than an inch above a post at the username?
thats a fucking YOU problem tbh
I generally just use gender neutral language. I would check the person's bio before using a phrase like that tho, especially if they have a trans flag emoji in their name
That being said, getting banned/restricted for that comment alone seems a bit extreme to me tho
No, if they want to be gendered appropriately, they should have it in their username.
It is in their username, their version of Lemmy just doesn't show it for some reason. Hexbear users have to pick a set of pronouns
I think we are/were/have sent that upstream to the main lemmy code doohickey.
my recollection is that they wouldn't accept that one. I read through the old github discussions at one point when trying to get into contributing code. They claimed it was basically too anglo-centric and not generalizable to all languages and that therefore they'd only accept a more expansive/generic user tagging/flairing feature or something like that (which could then also be used for pronouns)
