Today at work I needed the help of another journeyman because I had a boatload of plumbing to run and just needed the help of someone who I could get up to speed quickly by just handing a set of building plans and just sort of saying ‘here, go over there and plumb this in according to these plans’ and leave them be, while I am over here doing the exact same thing.
The guys I have a pretty good working relationship with were all tied up, with their own issues to deal with. So I got the guy who just started at the shop I’m at. He is a j-man, just new at work.
Today, I got about 20 minutes into a casual conversation about what the upcoming weekend’s plans were (Im going camping at a nearby state park, and I understood him to be of a similar vein - we are both avid hammock campers) and came to the realization that he is a fucking TRAD CATH. He got married right out of highschool 25 years ago to his sweetheart. She is not allowed to work. She is not allowed to drive. I dont even think is on the bank account or the title to the home they have. She is to have his lunch ready when he leaves for work in the morning. She is the one to take care of their son. And he explained to me in great detail about how his is teaching his 6 year old son the ‘proper husband/wife dynamic instead of the sissy liberal shit on TV’. She is to make dinner every evening. And not just any dinner, either. He wants a culinary masterpiece every day. He drinks raw milk. He is an anti-vaxxer. He listens to Gavin Mcguiness (or however the fuck you spell it, i dont give a fuck how he spells his shitty racist name) daily or weekly, and has even hung out with him multiple times. He is a proud western chauvinist. He is a volunteerist, whatever the fuck it is. According to him he donates money monthly to Alex Jones. He buys the supplements AJ hawks. He firmly believes in the globalist agenda to blah blah blah….. By then I’d had enough.
jesus fucking christ.
This isnt the first time ive had other white guys signal what they are, or what their beliefs are. I hate to say it, but I probably fit a visual mold that makes them think Im of the same mind. I wear overalls, my beard is too long and going grey. I have long hair. i carry a pistol in my service truck. I am more and more disgusted by those in my profession. At least in my neck of the woods, plumbers are awful fucking people. Im glad that at the least, I dont socialize with any plumbers after work.
I ended up having him pack up his tools and call the office for a different assignment. Then I spent a half hour explaining to the office manager, and then the owner, why I ran another jman off the jobsite.
I just wanted to talk about going camping in a hammock this weekend.
I don’t understand why people would choose to talk about this stuff at work to random people.
When you make this shit your identity, you're looking for public validation of your shitty values. It's why the guy was mentioning Alex Jones and Gavin McGinnes (sp?)- public figures that are about these values make them seem more mainstream/acceptable.
Two main reasons spring to mind why white men are very open about their heinous political beliefs with other white men:
- They have never faced any backlash for their political beliefs
- They expect other white men to agree with them
the second point is such a big one. as a kkkrakkker myself ive witnessed several white men say the most heinous shit and just expect me to agree with it simply because im also white. theyre so white supremacy brained that they automatically assume every white person is on their "team"
Death to America
I used to be Catholic and these "people" always baffle me, outside of Poland B they'd be considered horrible people.
But seriously subcarpatia is a hellhole, where people like him are manufactured on mass scale.
I used to live in AZ and the amount of white guys who would open up to me about the most racist shit after 20 seconds of polite conversation was insane. Sometimes dudes just wanted to tell me about their guns and how the commie democrats were gonna take them which was kinda fun because at least I could tell them I think we should arm the homeless because its their right as an american to own a gun
How did they respond to being told to arm the homeless?
Inside every right wing gun owner is a gun control lib yearning to be free
Ok, so yesterday I encountered someone (not a tradcath, but something equally awful) who got their wife a digital watch purely so he could make sure of where she was at all times. Also specifically made sure it wasn't attached to a phone number so she couldn't have her own.
Honestly nearly picked up the nearby letter opener.
Anyway your guy is already on 9 different heresies just from your description.
Anyway your guy is already on 9 different heresies just from your description.
As someone who is ethnically catholic, it's always fun to out-catholic practicing catholics. Just full-blown fire and brimstone shit. Someone makes a comment about having a literal interpretation of the Old Testament and thinks evolution is fake news?
"That's fucking protestant bullshit! The fuck outta here with your Satanic influences! We all know evolution is God's process of creation. That's what the Pope says!"
Yeah, a lot of these self-described “trad caths” aren’t really trad caths in the pre-Vatican II, service in Latin no meat on Fridays sense. They’re just Amerikkkans who have this ahistorical notion that old school Catholicism is synonymous with the mid-20th century nuclear family ideal.
Oh yeah, it was fun having a Jesuit in high school theology class who took the tradcath mean girls and tore their faith apart piece by piece.
Tradcath mean girls
What? Like, how? What kind of religious nerd is able to bully people instead of being bullied?
Old Money Catholic School Girls in a same sex Catholic School.
Most are what I'd call conservative Catholics rather than trads proper (and that type fucking hate the trads) but the richer they are the more radtrad they get.
I feel you. It's the same in white-collar work. I'm a clean-cut white man with no tattoos, my natural hair colour, and a business education. I hear the most disgusting shit from other business-type white men because they think I'm one of them.
these guys believe that they are an oppressed minority within sinful race-cucked secular liberalism, except then they'll immediately explain their entire insane worldview in their second ever conversation with someone.
Catholic guilt. I know a Catholic convert who simultaneously wants to be straight really badly but also is absolutely not sexually attracted to women. Had a "gay phase" during late high school and university but """overcame""" it. Didn't officially come out till like 2019.
I guess don't convert to Catholicism in your teenage years and don't double down until your late 20's
This coupled with the fact that every action taken (like not putting her name on the house) is likely intended to prevent her from leaving him, points to some underlying insecurity.
White fascists let their gaurds down when they think they can say what they want around you. You proceed to hear the most vile shit ever.
What’s great is when they drop the obvious hints, waiting for you to take your mask off first. And then when you don’t, they decide it’s because you’re extra cautious because you’re an even bigger racist piece of than them.
Lmao his son is going to struggle so hard in the dating scene that poor kid.
I hope he rebels and gets a based commie wife and they cook together as equals and have fun and laugh about how stupid his dad is.
that poor kid is right. if he is lucky he will only spend a lifetime seeing a psychologist over it. If he is unlucky he will just end up like his father.
The misogyny here is truly repulsive, but describing himself as a voluntarist immediately jumped out to me. Here's a passage from Hegel and the Nazis:
With this last idea, we arrive at the diametrically opposite pole, the extreme, arbitrary voluntarism. While for Hegel, the “individual of universal history” is only the organ by which historical necessity is fulfilled, for the National Socialists all historical, economic and social necessity is abolished by the Fuhrer, he is therefore a “Fuhrer by vocation,” he appeals to this entelechy of the race, and that is how, in his work of regeneration, he can do as he pleases. And it follows from the essence of National Socialist adventurism, from the essence of its social demagoguery, that every kind of economic necessity, every kind of economic limitation of the Fuhrer’s work of regeneration is particularly vehemently challenged. Rosenberg says: “It is not true that joint stock companies or cartels, ‘should’ be united in two, three cities, that new factories ‘should’ always be built in Berlin, that only supply and demand ‘should’ govern life.” And Hitler himself, immediately after taking power, expressed himself in the same spirit about the economic crisis: “When, on the one hand, there are thousands of men who want to work and on the other, there are mineral wealth and work possibilities, a necessity consumption and a need for production in the German people, so it would be sad that a will and action could not impose itself.”
As far as I can tell, the Catholic Church rejects Voluntarism as a philosophical tenet, so if this guy got into voluntarism he might literally just be
What even is voluntarism? The "ism" bit makes me think it's more than just volunteering at a soup kitchen once a week or some shit.
It was one of the first things he lead with, and I guess he mistook my genuine not knowing what it was for some sort of interest, or maybe an opportunity to convert me or something. He said it was similar to anarcho-capitalism and I have zero idea if it is or not. Given the context of everything else, it just sounded like horseshit to me.
It's associated with particularly unhinged an caps.
The idea that all society should be managed by various voluntary contracts (for values of voluntary that include "sign this or starve" and "once you've signed you can never back out".)
They generally split on those Randian ghouls that think family is contractual (kids must pay back the full value of the outlay upon them.) and Crypto Fascists who thinks it doesn't because the wife isn't a real person actually and women thus cannot sign contracts.
I forgot about the ancap spin of voluntarism. What I was thinking about was the "rule through will" ideology of the Nazis, that upheld that the Aryan will could triumph over the limits of the intellect.
Anyone who does that to another human being deserves to have their brain matter plastered against the wall.
This is far worse than mere papistry, this is like religious revisionism
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papistry