Everyday I find another reason to smile at her downfall. Settlers applies to POC as much as it does white people. (Some) Black Americans really think genocide isn't something to withhold a vote over.
This in addition to the "how do I report my neighbor for being an illegal immigrant/ I want to report a lady I know for getting an abortion" posts on reddit really shows the reality of blue MAGA.
You have convinced me, reddit user LeResist, from now on I will be perfectly selfless by swearing loyalty to the largest ethnic group, the Han Chinese
Calling pro Palestine supporters "selfish" in the next sentence after saying all that is what's driving the aneurysm meter up.
I just learned these screenshots came from BlackPeopleTwitter
In which case every single comment was made by a white person and 95% of the upvotes were from white people, folks don't remember but back in 2018-19 BPT was outed as one of the most astroturfed and demographically deceptive subs on the website, it is without a doubt the largest digital blackface forum on the internet, aside from maybe r/hiphopheads
The leaked polls back in 2019 revealed the sub is 90% white
Like how do they not see that argument can and will be applied to them by every other cracker with a pulse, that's the whole point of solidarity, to do away with zero-sum mentalities like that
"And the reality is America is a country with 331 million people. There's over 221 million white people in America. It's pretty selfish to choose black people over us" It's so easy to weaponize this shit
"There are 80 million Germans in our glorious Fatherland. There are only 16 million Jews. It's actually pretty selfish to choose the Jews over ourselves."
They don't really believe it, they just say it because it's convenient. If someone turned it on them like you describe, they'd (correctly) call it racist, because that would then be the convenient thing to say.
I never in my life wanna see that "first they came for" quote on that place ever again. Deeply unserious people
Because they're saying that shit, and because they're redditors, I feel confident in guessing that they're not involved in any way with anti-racism, because the most basic slogan, the central tenant of civil rights activism in this country was and is that we're not free until we're all free. Black antiracists know it and Palestinians know it.
and also, worth remembering, "as a black man" is the white redditor's favorite catchphrase. They will just lie.
One of the funniest things to me is that my position towards libs in real life was:
I am an immigrant, who came here via asylum. I will not vote for anyone who prevents people from seeking asylum. The Biden administration has effectively destroyed asylum in the US, that is illegal under international law. Kamala Harris is campaigning on the Biden border policy.
Nobody could actually fucking answer to that. It was glorious to watch the cogs turn, because I knew in the back of their mind was the racist thought of throwing me out of the country because I'm "disloyal" or "ungreatful". They just could not say that out loud in polite company.
Soon they won't care, they're already justifying their racism by saying that Latinos and Arabs "voted" for it, so they shouldn't complain.
Wish I coulda conversed with you. I think this type of logic and break down is what a lot of people need. Not so much cause of arrogance or anything of the sort. But more so cause of the cognitive dissonance in our society.
The revisionism on January 6th is still wild to see,
January 6th didn't succeed because it was done by a bunch of losers without a single coherent idea on why they were doing it and what to do after doing it,
I believe a majority of the rioters were just moved by the energy of the mob around them and they weren't about to 'end democracy' or whatever, it's pretty tiring seeing it compared to the Beer Hall putsch
Yeah, the mythologizing of the January 6th riot is wild. If they were successful they would've, what? Held the capitol building for a few days while the police and military argue about who gets to kill them? At worst, if they somehow indefinitely held the building, congress would have to book a convention center to work from.
the world is just like Risk and once the capitol building falls it goes to the people inside. The generals are just dice and have no ability to resist this.
The last time there was a violent overtaking of the government in us was in 1963, it won't happen without the support of the military industrial complex
Fanon's Black Skin, White Masks delves into this.
Colonized people can come to identify with the colonizer as a way to cope with colonization. This hollows them out inside and makes them turn that racism inward onto themselves, but they can be rewarded with an elevated social status by the colonizer.
That sounds like a form of the Cultural Hegemony that Gramsci talks about
This is what happens when your entire country is built on the promise that stepping on other people's heads can make you taller
Getting some seriously bad vibes from this whole thing. It’s like they’ve found some way to inoculate people against even the barest sort of solidarity- I fear the coalition politics that won even the handful of concessions we got like obergefell might be dead. Granted, that’s exactly what i thought last time this happened too.
Someone’s trying to drive wedges, and it’s working. Divide and conquer by playing up (or creating) animus against one another. Clear as day yet people are walking right into it. What changed?
Worsening material conditions + manufactured culture of individuality prime people to turn against each other?
I don't have a lot of spoons today so no long diatribes from me. I'm just wondering what it was about the proletariat in Russia and China that made them easier to organize vs. Elsewhere.
Russians and Chinese aren't settlers. Russia and China aren't settlers colonial projects.
Russia had settlers on Caucasus, and those settlers overwhelmingly sided with Whites.
Is this settler mindset something we get at birth? Or is it passed down by most families? Just wondering how I avoided having complete burgerbrain despite living a middle class life in the heart of the empire...
I have an idea and will probably write an effort post on it later.
Whiteoids have the conialism gene baked into their frontal lobes.
Having a moral compass and the courage to address cognitive dissonance probably did it for you.
Yeah, that was the culmination of over a century’s work and various precursor rebellions by various players. We don’t have that kind of momentum, and at this point i'm starting to suspect americans are useless on a psychological level (myself included) so i'm not sure anyone could get it together enough to make anything effective happen.
There's a thin line between precarity and comfort here. We all have something to lose if we commit fully to a revolutionary project.
Maybe that's the difference? Life sucks but there's always YouTube and cheap (ish) treats
Fascists have for a while now been appropriating leftist talking points and aesthetics, which at best muddies the water, and at worst gives fascists outright control.
I mean those countries did have civil wars, and reactionary proletarians fought in defense of capital. I think the difference is not necessarily that the bonds of solidarity were stronger (at least not before the period of pitched struggle), but rather that those workers who did feel class solidarity also felt they had less to lose and more to gain in overthrowing capitalism.
"You don't get it, I have to support or be tacitly complicit in genocide, otherwise I'll be genocided" is a truly stellar argument. There's even a poem about it:
First they came for the communists, and I didn't say anything because I voted strategically for Hitler
Then nothing happened and that was that.Didn't vote for my favorite color? Hope you die in the camps 🥰♥️
They actually believe that, that's their honest argument.
It tells everyone that you never believed in that shit anyway. Kamala losing is helping us see everyone's true colors.
Their continued refusal to properly deal with their cognitive dissonance will always prevent the majority of liberals from realising how outrageously hypocritical they are
That's why I think Democrats won't be elected again. They won't learn from this. They'll just move to the right, alienate even more voters, and lose to Republicans.
I think ~25% of the country voted? Just based off of the votes between all candidates. Biden pulled in ~10 million more votes. There's just going to be less turn out each time.
man what the hell drake i thought you were better than this, i'll never be able to listen to hotline bling the same way again
How dare those ideological leftists put the genocide of Palestinians over the emancipatory policy of protecting black men’s crypto investments?
Yo this is pretty insanely racist. Most black men don't have crypto investments, they just want to be allowed to walk and breathe without a trigger happy pig using them for target practice.
It's an exaggeration. Kamala wouldn't have done anything for black men.
And black men voted for her. They're still scolding them.
Yeah no she ran on crypto for black men as a major policy platform for minority empowerment. She was explicitly campaigning towards the top 20% of minorities, income-wise.
https://apnews.com/article/text-messages-slavery-racism-black-americans-fbi-708973521d2974bec7514b8622877290
It's already a less safe place for BIPOC in the US. I get it, status quo sucks, but it can and will get worse.
It was always a death sentence to be BIPOC outside of the US because of US fp. Can't blame people for not caring as much, when there is a genocide being funded by the "lesser evil."
I don't care what happens to USians, as far as I'm concerned they did it to themselves and they still deserve worse.
How did BIPOC do it to themselves when they were either here first and had their land stolen from them, or were forcibly shipped over against their will, and had little to no rights until very recently, and still have generations of oppression to overcome.
Because they will agree that the things the US does abroad is okay or even good, you dont get a pass for being a working class traitor just because ur skin is a different color
This is exactly what I was talking about in the em_poc megathread. USAmericans insist those of us from the global south must have solidarity with the people who supported and were part of the invasion of our countries because they are also oppressed minorities
It's stupid and evil. Like no idgaf that you're oppressed, your shit ass country is butchering my people in their own homes with drones and missiles.
Really giving 'black (free and slave owning) Haitians that supported France during the eve of the Haitian revolution' energy.
I have not met a single BIPOC individual who supports America's foreign policy, have you?
Kamala Harris literally campaigned on maintaining the US's status as the most lethal military in the world
I haven't met Kamala Harris. If you use one establishment Democrat to inform your opinion of all black people, you're probably going to end up inexcusably ignorant.
The cure is ignorance is fostering friendships with people on a personal level, listen with the intent of understanding their struggle. Leftist spaces are not doing a good enough job of giving black voices a space and y'all are using Kamala as your excuse to keep it that way.
I've worked with countless BIPOC people who were proud members of the US military
If you use one establishment Democrat to inform your opinion of all black people
USAmericans are not "all black people"
You are right, I was wrong, I should have said "all black Americans".
You don't have to deal with internalized racism because you could put out a good dunk instead.
That's really weird, do you live in a super conservative area that happens to have black and indigenous people that talk foreign policy to people very quickly after meeting them?
I live in a very diverse, working class, mostly leftist area, all of my friendship circles are extremely critical of America's foreign policy.
Why is your local community so pro-Imperialism?
I work and I meet all sorts of people, I'm not going to argue with you
I honestly think most people would highly benefit from reading A Workbook for Arguments: A Complete Course in Critical Thinking
The amount of cognitive dissonance and logical fallacy among these chains of reasoning and “arguments” (and I am using the word argument very generously here) is astounding.
Being against genocide is really showing a lack of empathy if you think about it
