Interesting, I'm sure this will struggle session quickly. I think veganism combined with utilizing local veg & fruit farms that farm sustainably / utilize permaculture / follow regional native agricultural practices is the best way but I also utilize alot of the replacements which exploit as you stated.
With that being said there is a role for animals in sustainable agriculture so idk, I feel like the best way to fix this is pursue veganism while enabling the communities in the global south to organize in a way that they can exert power to reduce the exploitation.
Right, I was a dumb lib with that take the first time we did this months ago now I feel we should be able to have a more nuanced discussion regarding the intersection of food exploitation in the global south and the good that veganism provides.
i mean eating anything in the global north is gonna depend on the global south to some extent, and specifically explotation of land and labor in it, but meat absolutely requires more of both to produce
so if you want this to be nerd shit read this instead
I mean there's not a lot of nuance to be had about it. Plant based options require less land and resources, and a lot of plants are simply grown as animal feed. Like you can't get mad at vegans over their consumption of soy, as meat eaters outpace them on soy consumption, albeit indirectly, and then have all the added baggage of you know, eating meat. So plants > meat, end of discussion, etc
As far as the global south in this equation, the answer (and only answer) to these discussions is "abolish capitalism". We want to end the exploitation of these people and their resources? Abolish capitalism. Want to address how shitty crop rotations are and how more diverse fields should be planted? Can't happen until you abolish capitalism. Want to encourage local staple foods, and make sure every farm is producing what local communities need to sustain themselves? Good luck doing that without abolishing capitalism.
So really if we talk about it the takeways will be that you should pursue the most ethical habits you can for now, try to avoid meat if possible, try to grow your own shit if possible, eat local stuff if possible, and that we'll all have to wait for massive systems to be overthrown for meaningful change. Until then, there's not a lot we can individually do and any discussion about it online won't bring about material change
yes and in an ideal society everyone should be vegan. it would be hypocritical for me to be all smug about this whole I type out this comment on a $1000 device with minerals mined also by the global south.
but a lot of vegans do have a high horse to stand up on (you can see this in the thread rn) and don't like to experience any cognitive dissonance that their lifestyle is a western luxury so I thought it would be funny to trigger that
but a lot of vegans do have a high horse to stand up on (you can see this in the thread rn) and don’t like to experience any cognitive dissonance that their lifestyle is a western luxury so I thought it would be funny to trigger that
you deny the existence of animal rights activists and vegans all over the world. people don't conform to your stereotypes about who gets to be vegan and who not. post hog.
answer me this: with the current state of the world that we live in right now, is it fesable for literally every single person on Earth to go vegan right now?
Interesting, I'm sure this will struggle session quickly. I think veganism combined with utilizing local veg & fruit farms that farm sustainably / utilize permaculture / follow regional native agricultural practices is the best way but I also utilize alot of the replacements which exploit as you stated.
With that being said there is a role for animals in sustainable agriculture so idk, I feel like the best way to fix this is pursue veganism while enabling the communities in the global south to organize in a way that they can exert power to reduce the exploitation.
Any struggle around this is going to boil down to "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" imo
Right, I was a dumb lib with that take the first time we did this months ago now I feel we should be able to have a more nuanced discussion regarding the intersection of food exploitation in the global south and the good that veganism provides.
i mean eating anything in the global north is gonna depend on the global south to some extent, and specifically explotation of land and labor in it, but meat absolutely requires more of both to produce
so if you want this to be nerd shit read this instead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_theory
I mean there's not a lot of nuance to be had about it. Plant based options require less land and resources, and a lot of plants are simply grown as animal feed. Like you can't get mad at vegans over their consumption of soy, as meat eaters outpace them on soy consumption, albeit indirectly, and then have all the added baggage of you know, eating meat. So plants > meat, end of discussion, etc
As far as the global south in this equation, the answer (and only answer) to these discussions is "abolish capitalism". We want to end the exploitation of these people and their resources? Abolish capitalism. Want to address how shitty crop rotations are and how more diverse fields should be planted? Can't happen until you abolish capitalism. Want to encourage local staple foods, and make sure every farm is producing what local communities need to sustain themselves? Good luck doing that without abolishing capitalism.
So really if we talk about it the takeways will be that you should pursue the most ethical habits you can for now, try to avoid meat if possible, try to grow your own shit if possible, eat local stuff if possible, and that we'll all have to wait for massive systems to be overthrown for meaningful change. Until then, there's not a lot we can individually do and any discussion about it online won't bring about material change
yes and in an ideal society everyone should be vegan. it would be hypocritical for me to be all smug about this whole I type out this comment on a $1000 device with minerals mined also by the global south.
but a lot of vegans do have a high horse to stand up on (you can see this in the thread rn) and don't like to experience any cognitive dissonance that their lifestyle is a western luxury so I thought it would be funny to trigger that
you deny the existence of animal rights activists and vegans all over the world. people don't conform to your stereotypes about who gets to be vegan and who not. post hog.
as if India hasn't had a tradition of this stretching back tens of centuries - queen_antifa's take is so fucking patronizing.
answer me this: with the current state of the world that we live in right now, is it fesable for literally every single person on Earth to go vegan right now?
You explicitly want to "trigger" vegans and do not want to engage in actual debate or conversation. POST HOG CHUD.
you didn't even answer my question
HOG OUT OR LOG OUT
le epic chabbo meme
post hog.
Please point these pro-imperialism vegans out to me because I don't notice any in this thread
I never said anyone was pro imperialism