She got half of Burgerland to think that everything they don't like is Russian propaganda, that the evil Russians helped Trump steal the 2016 election, Russia Russia Russia, it's the ultimate thought-terminating cliche now. And even in the face of cold, hard evidence to the contrary (ie: Mueller report, off the top of my head) Libs just stomp their feet and insist that it's still RUSSIAAAAA!!!!!1
I guess Bill O'Riely would be the Republican equivalent of her, but his oafishness and toxic masculinity got the best of him and he ended up losing everything got a multi-million dollar severance package from Fox News and then faded into irrelevancy.
Seriously though, I can't think of anybody that could rival Maddow in terms of how effectively she brainwashed tens of millions of Burgerlanders into believing an absolute, absurd fantasy. You can't have anything that resembles a level-headed discussion with any Lib anymore, largely due to her influence (and others of course, but I feel like she's the most prominent figure in this regard).
Can you think of anyone that could rival her impact? Who else would be in the same league of propagandists in this day?
Ehhhh that's giving her waaaaaaaaaaay too much credit. Not many people watch MSNBC
Yeah this is insane and would imply Maddow is good at what she does lol there’s not many burgers who give a shit about Russian interference
It's plausible that Russia preferred Trump to his Democratic rivals, and did a little bit of trolling to fuck with America. But only to the tune of 0.1% of their military budget, not the 20% of GDP it would take to get anywhere near what BlueMAGA keeps accusing.
Well Kamala's campaign spent over 1 billion dollars and it didn't seem to make any difference
i feel like it's a mistake to let the face of these operations have too much credit. This is a performance, and it is an editorial team that sets her agenda, it's a crew that manages her image, and it's the network that gives her the platform - the personalities of these people are there for your consumption and an icon you're encouraged to relate to and see as a teacher.
A friendly feminine presence who is there every night to tell you how to be an obedient little liberal
but never forget she's just a performer in an ensemble.
I guess Bill O'Riely would be the Republican equivalent of her
Wrong, Bill is the shoulders which Rachel stands on. Every cable news talking head is copying his game. Bill walked so Tucker could run. He's only irrelevant now because he accelerated the american conservative past him.
I'd even go so far as to say he's a couple rungs down in terms of history. Tucker is standing on Glen Beck who is standing on O'Rielly.
This although Beck was standing on the shoulders of Alex Jones more than O'Reilly
Regardless of the order, whoever is standing on Alex Jones is standing on his roid gut, not his shoulders.
Fair enough, though O'Reilly was always kinda cribbing from Jones. He just never had the intensity. If we want to go that route though then they are all standing on Rush Limbaugh. As for who was most effective of the lot, hard to say.
Also not to forget Art Bell of Coast to Coast AM fame, whom I just learned while relistening to (I think) a Qanon Anonymous episode apparently died in a shootout with the cops just after 9/11 lmao.
who was standing on rush limbaugh who was standing on bill buckley... it's assholes all the way down
I think Ben Shapiro stands more on William Buckley’s shoulders. Limbaugh was way too loud and crass to be modeling Buckley.
Dig deep enough in the America Propaganda Mines and you find Goebbels down there.
John Stewart was a cheerleader for norms and civility from about 2002-2015. He defined what as worthy of ridicule (Kucinich, Chelsea Manning, occupy movement) and ultimately what was worthy of respect .
I think it was something like "yeah war crimes are bad, but leaking secrets that put service members in danger is unacceptable." It's civility, but with the chain of command.
Sure their job is to be endangered and every boot worshipper is constantly using that as justification for why they should be the only ones with rights and shit, but also hOW DARE anything put them in danger.
Ahh yes the old "endangering the troops" hobby horse they trot out to silence dissent, protest, or opposition. A charge they never level against the generals and emperors, kings and presidents, and fitting because of the topic of this thread, propagandists. The ones responsible for putting the troops in harms way to begin with.
The picture of Abu Ghraib and the Collateral Murder video radicalised young me to the point where that's my reaction.
Why isn't it an emoji?
I think Chelsea served more time than any of the abu ghraib torturers (And obviously the commanders actually responsible for abu ghraib were never held responsible)
It's been requested a couple of times but @WhyEssEff@hexbear.net won't do it
Back before I was an ML I knew a few PMC liberal types who listened to Rachel Maddow. Yes, those individuals were the worst humans one could imagine. But what used to shock me was how non-Amerikans would listen for an hour (?) each day about Russian electoral interference.
I remember in 2016 right after the election she was on some talk show and made some word salad like "Well Trump has a lot of policies that want to help only Americans so he's a nationalist. And he has policies that want to make sweeping social change, like a socialist. So he's really a national socialist." And I was nodding along with my lib brain.
In a proximate tier of liberal smugness, Sam Harris and Bill Maher have done damage.
They have indeed, but Bill Maher in particular is such an asshole and also a sexist prick that I can't see him having the ear of many (any?) women. Maddow, on the other hand, can appeal too pretty much all Libs.
Bill and Sam have the ears of actual liberal elite, like ceo's and investors. Rachel has your college educated white collars.
I heard from my mom last night that Putin directed Iran to tell Hamas to do the 10/7 attack. It was calculated to divide the US so we would be less effective in supporting Ukraine. This led to me yelling for two hours, which I don't feel good about, but I'm tired of explaining that when examining the world you have to strive to find for plausible explanations for why things are happening, not something as fucking stupid as saying the people of Gaza were perfectly satisfied until a bunch of outside agitators got them stirred up.
Edit: She actually doesn't watch MSNBC. This is NYT brain. She used to be fine with criticizing media that promoted the war in Iraq, but doing that now means you're just like Trump.
Liberals completely gave up on self crit at some point in the last 6-8 years
It used to be how they showed they were 'better' than their counterparts, but Trump just broke so many brains
I fully believe a significant amount of libs opposed the Iraq war because it was started by Bush Jr. If it was a Democrat they wouldn't have been against it. Nevermind all the Dems that started it. GOP = bad, Dem = good, and for the parts that overlap, it's bad if GOP is currently in charge and a necessary evil/tolerable inconvenience if the Dems are in charge.
See also: Children in cages at the border
a significant amount of libs opposed the Iraq war because it was started by Bush Jr. If it was a Democrat they wouldn't have been against it.
well 99.9% is a significant amount
Clinton's NATO bombed the Chinese embassy 5 years before and not one peep
It's like they've all become demcents but for an institution they have no democratic control over.
Thank you, this is a perfect description. I've been arguing with a liberal friend who seems to blame everyone but the DNC and Harris campaign for their loss, it's so frustrating and confusing why so many people are ride-or-die for the Dems.
The ride or die Dems make sense because it's the last thing holding their entire world view back from collapsing. Republicans are overtly evil so they're not an option. Third parties have no real chance of elections or social change. There are no mainstream activist groups that have social capital or numbers for change (like the civil rights movements).
So the Dems are all you have left to believe in the system. If you admit to yourself Dems are coconspirators in all the bad things about America, then you have no real reason to think America is a force for good. So for the majority of liberals the cognitive dissonance is an easier pill to swallow than saying "Are we the baddies?" Not to mention there is an infinite amount of media for you to consume that reinforces that dissonance so you don't have to think about it.
who takes rachel maddow seriously? i dont see why anyone would waste time watching her show. it's not entertaining and not truthful in any way.
Pretty sure most Libs consider her word to be sacrosanct. Or, at the very least, the "everything that causes cognitive dissonance in my brain is Russian disinformation" worldview.
Can't think of other examples. Just wanted to say that this happening is horrifying.
Yeah comrade, I was once accused of “spreading Russian propaganda” for simply sharing an article written by Benjamin Norton (the article had absolutely nothing to do with Russia whatsoever) because he was on a Russia Today podcast once (I guess?).
Absolutely deranged shit.
I mean, where do you even go from there? It's worse than being a rabid flat earther. That generation they said TV turns brains to mush was right.
Yeah it sure is a conversation ender. Not much you can say to that if they're just gonna stomp their feet whenever you disagree with them about something.
Indeed, but this particular accusation was in a politics chat for a podcast. So, amazingly, a real person.
Though I'm sure they adopted their "debate skills" from those same fake reddit posters and hasbara bots.
