Sources for the Palestinian genocide: Thousands and thousands of people providing direct, firsthand evidence, as well as extensive journalistic coverage from news agencies around the world
Sources for the Uyghur genocide: Literally just and no one else
but Libs don't even see them as the same. The Uyghur one is far far worse. It's so bad you can't even find any footage of the events because China has absolute control over all media in the country. That's why we have to ban Huawei 5g equipment because they'll control all of our media too!
Contrast that with Israel fighting for justice and freedom and it's just a no brainer which one is worse!
I mean, the Uyghur genocide probably is a thing, by lemkins original definition where you deliberately destroy a culture
Deradicalizing people is not destroying a culture. Terrorism isnt a part of of Uighur cultural identity. They're more free to practice their faith without fear there than in downtown Manhattan (remember the proposed cultural center - not even a mosque - in the vicinity of ground zero).
I live under the thumb of settlers and I'll be the first one to contest their 'humanity' frankly. You show me a cracker, I will show you the ghoul a millimeter and a half under their skin.
They're human, but their actions show how much they've discarded their humanity. That's what makes it more evil, in my opinion. Saying they're not human just makes it easier for us to kill them when we need to, but it doesn't make it true.
It literally was just deradicalization. Does that mean some police abuse occured? Almost certainly, because that is inherent to any kind of policing culture. However, what is overwhelmingly verifiable from even Western media prior to the anti-China turn, was that the main targets of radical bombing aggression were primarily traditional, more moderate, Uighur mosques, who were resisting a more radical turn towards a Wahabist and Mujahideen informed ideology, not the Chinese state. The deradicalization campaign came much at the behest of these religious leaders, informed by fear of escalation from similar radical bombing campaigns that were occuring in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan.
And unlike in those countries, China actually has the state capacity to respond to those constituent concerns in an ordered fashion that doesn't rely on paramilitaries. In particular, the main educational focus was on the historical place of women in Islam, and that the idea that the radical separation of women from public life was a departure from traditional Uighur practices, even prior to communism. There are more mosques in the Xinjang now than before communism, more now than before the deradicalization campaign.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
I read a comment recently of someone who lives near Xijang, and how the Uyghur's they know live and are treated. Basically, no real difference on the streets, but they do tend to get extra hassle from cops and guards when in sensitive areas like airports, border crossings, etc. Sucks, but livable.
I know some Uighurs and this kinda lines up with what they've said about their experience. The State treats them no different to any other Chinese, in fact they're probably advantaged by various affirmative action programs, but they've gotta be careful around cops. Racism from Han Chinese civilians is also quite common apparently, but ironically cops are their allies at that point to enforce the non-racist letter of the law.
The most that can be said about China mistreating Uyghur culture is that they're commodifying it to drive internal tourism. Making suspected jihadists take community college courses on why sexism and religious intolerance are bad isn't destroying a culture, nor is banning salafist practices that aren't part of uyghur culture.
You obviously don't give the Uighur people the benefit of the doubt either since there are millions of them who are happily living in Xinjiang. Go visit sometime and see for yourself
Palestinian Genocide: 24/7 live streamed mass murder.
Uyghur "Genocide": some people in prison, but largely night school and job training programs.
Sources for the Palestinian genocide: Thousands and thousands of people providing direct, firsthand evidence, as well as extensive journalistic coverage from news agencies around the world
Sources for the Uyghur genocide: Literally just
and no one else
to be fair, Lockheed Martin also says so
but Libs don't even see them as the same. The Uyghur one is far far worse. It's so bad you can't even find any footage of the events because China has absolute control over all media in the country. That's why we have to ban Huawei 5g equipment because they'll control all of our media too!
Contrast that with Israel fighting for justice and freedom and it's just a no brainer which one is worse!
True.
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Deradicalizing people is not destroying a culture. Terrorism isnt a part of of Uighur cultural identity. They're more free to practice their faith without fear there than in downtown Manhattan (remember the proposed cultural center - not even a mosque - in the vicinity of ground zero).
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"i do not give states the benefit of the doubt" enjoyers when the US State department releases the party line:
Don't start posting faux-righteous shit like "Americans are fucking orcs" while you're lending credence to US propaganda
crazy how ultras who be like "all states are evil!" always end up just becoming NATO leftists
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are you for real
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Americans are people, settlers or not.
I live under the thumb of settlers and I'll be the first one to contest their 'humanity' frankly. You show me a cracker, I will show you the ghoul a millimeter and a half under their skin.
That's not what I mean.
They're human, but their actions show how much they've discarded their humanity. That's what makes it more evil, in my opinion. Saying they're not human just makes it easier for us to kill them when we need to, but it doesn't make it true.
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It literally was just deradicalization. Does that mean some police abuse occured? Almost certainly, because that is inherent to any kind of policing culture. However, what is overwhelmingly verifiable from even Western media prior to the anti-China turn, was that the main targets of radical bombing aggression were primarily traditional, more moderate, Uighur mosques, who were resisting a more radical turn towards a Wahabist and Mujahideen informed ideology, not the Chinese state. The deradicalization campaign came much at the behest of these religious leaders, informed by fear of escalation from similar radical bombing campaigns that were occuring in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan.
And unlike in those countries, China actually has the state capacity to respond to those constituent concerns in an ordered fashion that doesn't rely on paramilitaries. In particular, the main educational focus was on the historical place of women in Islam, and that the idea that the radical separation of women from public life was a departure from traditional Uighur practices, even prior to communism. There are more mosques in the Xinjang now than before communism, more now than before the deradicalization campaign.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
I read a comment recently of someone who lives near Xijang, and how the Uyghur's they know live and are treated. Basically, no real difference on the streets, but they do tend to get extra hassle from cops and guards when in sensitive areas like airports, border crossings, etc. Sucks, but livable.
I know some Uighurs and this kinda lines up with what they've said about their experience. The State treats them no different to any other Chinese, in fact they're probably advantaged by various affirmative action programs, but they've gotta be careful around cops. Racism from Han Chinese civilians is also quite common apparently, but ironically cops are their allies at that point to enforce the non-racist letter of the law.
State says the sky is blue
You: "might be green actually"
Bad example; colors are a total fuck. But I get what you're expressing.
The most that can be said about China mistreating Uyghur culture is that they're commodifying it to drive internal tourism. Making suspected jihadists take community college courses on why sexism and religious intolerance are bad isn't destroying a culture, nor is banning salafist practices that aren't part of uyghur culture.
Thats the best case of what might be happening, but I dont give states the benefit of the doubt.
You obviously don't give the Uighur people the benefit of the doubt either since there are millions of them who are happily living in Xinjiang. Go visit sometime and see for yourself
I would actually like to visit China. It's not first on my list (chiapas, cuba, someplace with aurora all edge it out) for the food alone omg.
but I'm poor as shit and bad at languages.
I've just been there. Shit load of Uyghurs.
You're giving the US State Department the benefit of the doubt by entertaining the highly discredited assertion that any sort of genocide is occuring
except when it's America spreading bullshit, then I believe it uncritically!
They did not eradicate Uyghur culture, in fact they empower it constantly. This is just another lib talking point.
That might be true!