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It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.
Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren't attracted enough to become regular visitors.
Curious to see at which number we'll stabilize.
Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)
Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
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And at the beginning everyone was worried about "Eternal September". It's only been two months.
People will come in waves, instances and communities will grow and die, just like how it was on reddit, we'll probably start seeing meme/politics free or even more specialized instances soon. But all of this is going to take time.
The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.
So, being on Lemmy is a long term investment for me.
Hopefully this works out, gotta get that first mover advantage in, then Lemmy's only real celebrity will be recognized as the marketing genius that she is. :)
I like Lemmy better when it's when it's nicer and quieter a month ago honestly.
Ha ha :)
Same feeling here, browsing All now is cumbersome due to the low quality of the average content dropping
Yeah, so that's why I'm expecting way more alt hopping and defederations and people splitting into smaller groups soon until everything finally settles.
One of advantage of the fediverse honestly that it prevents powertripping mods, since it's so easy to move to another community on the same topic on a different instance with different admins and mods, and while a person can be banned off a particular comm or instance, they can't be banned from Lemmy as a whole, so reputation matters a lot more right now when everybody kinda knows each other here.
The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.
I don't know if this is going to happen, and to be honest I hope it doesn't. Lemmy is not designed to be a forum and shouldn't try to be used as a replacement for one.
There is no infinite doomscroll on Lemmy and that's what I used to do on Reddit. Now, I just read the top headlines and touch grass :)
The reason I'm still here instead of there is that I absolutely can't use their official app. I just can't. It's so awful. Lemmy isn't perfect but at least it isn't that. So I do spend less time doom scrolling and that's probably good for me.
Same here, I actually have a much healthier relationship with social media when on Lemmy vs Reddit. That might change as Lemmy grows in user content but for now I’ll enjoy the quieter experience
I agree, I finish up my daily feed (at the moment I am subscribed to 628 communities).
Precisely. And maybe bring the grass to Lemmy a little bit
E: see my posts
lemmy.world being down half the time probably made a lot of people think that this platform is trash and left.
The number of times Lemmy.world was down made it unusable for me to use. Switched to Lemdro.id and it's so much better now.
lemmy.ml was also down recently for half a day or so. But lemmy.ml was never knwon for being reliable, even it it works fine since some time now.
It’s a basic catch-22 - you need new users to attract new users.
This is the best thing about federation.
If the Fediverse became really popular and I created a new alternative to Lemmy/Kbin that was significantly better than both, it would be way easier to gain the momentum required to become a real player in the field compared to trying to compete with Reddit when most people aren't in the Fediverse yet.
The only one that has died since the end of Digg was Vine, and that was partially just because its owners didn't really care about its fate anymore.
Vine was killed by facebook & its regulatory capture. Otherwise it would've killed facebook and we never would've gotten tik tok (for better or worse).
FB, the gram and now twitter are dying. Just because they still exist doesn't mean they're not on their way out. Anyone with accounts on the first two can tell you that the number of active users on their feeds has been the same people for 5-10 years and are dwindling (and the feed of the third is lmao since boosting paid user content). Their traffic numbers might look fine but that's because they lie about those numbers and they make it impossible to delete accounts.
Most importantly, it's been 15 years since any of these companies couldn't get free financing. Often a focus on profitability results in misplaced user-hostility over short-sighted moves, which is what killed a lot of companies in 99 and again in 2007. We just haven't had a financial climate that requires it since. Hilariously this climate would make it a perfect time to take twitter private to push it past the other two and tik tok but it got bought by the worst failson the world has ever seen.
Don't mistake still existing for not being dead. Digg.com still employs dozens of people, that doesn't mean its been a useful link aggregator for the last 12 years.
There are many fatal problems on Lemmy, worst of all is you can't click this link /c/books and see every /c/book on every Lemmy instance of the fediverse. This is out of convenience to moderators and it is killing Lemmy. One people figure out communities only exist on a single instance, the promise of federation is broken and they fuck off.
See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033 It's won'tfix/notabug
Propagation and agglomeration is a problem for clients not servers. Server only need to propagate a "we have new stuff" message and it's up to the clients to pull it and cache it. In any case, users should be able to click /c/books and see the content of all /book/ on all instances in a single location. Unless most users can do this with one click, there will not exist a fediverse wide community.
but there is this https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
"multireddit" are nice to have but they do not address this problem Which a common view for all user of an entire community across the fediverse. "Multireddit" require client to pick and choose individual communities. This means less than 1% of users will every use it. This means there will never exist a fediverse wide community around topics.
There is no way for a user to block whole instances, there is no way to know if you've been banned from a community or instance, it's extremely easy for people to evade bans and blocks, you can't make private communities, armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they're exploiting Lemmy's flaws to do it, the list goes on and on.
Lemmy blows, but give the rubes time. They'll figure it out.
armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they're exploiting Lemmy's flaws to do it
It crazy how these people can get their bs to show up in my main feed, and then if I comment on it they call me a troll
There's instance-wide blocking on the Connect for Lemmy app, including the option to block everything or only block the communities of that instance and not users. You can make a private community by not federating with anyone on a private instance.
does this also block comments, or only posts? Sync has a similar feature, but only for posts, once inside a post you're still subjected to their comments. Which for troll communities is honestly the worst part
IMO ideally there'd be two separate options. I want to block stuff like foreign language instances or some niche instances so that I don't see communities hosted on them, but I don't want to block the users from those instances when they post in other communities.
Connect for Lemmy has an option for blocking both. The comment still shows, but as "blocked by filter", which hides the content until clicked on, and can be re-hid.
Those are just cop-outs. They need to be hard-coded features on the original Lemmy app. If we have to rely on third-party apps for it, we can and should just use another fediverse app entirely.
I hope someone forks Lemmy at some point.
That's a trivial problem to fix client side. Same as any regular spam filter. If Lemmy gives that power server side to be moderators instead of clients, then Lemmy will become a North Korea style dictatorship like Reddit.
I would love to see something like this where it shows you content from communities with the same name across whatever your server is federated with.
Like an all feed but in a community would be lit but idk how that would ever be added. Too much work
Why do you think communities with the same name will have the same content?
It doesn't need to have the same content. Same subject. Names are descriptive
They don't but they get aglomerated together anyway for having the same name . The community is the whole, which specific instance is hosting a particular /c/book post doesn't matter. That it is on /c/book is what matters, not that it is on Lemmy.world
But just because !books@lemmy.world hypothetically exists doesn't mean !books@programming.dev or !books@ttrpg.network have similar enough content. You can already view these communities from any instance. You're essentially trying to apply something like federation on top of something already being federated. They can all have very different rules and different content.
If people have to hunt each post storage location individually, then it will be as if they don't exist to 99.99% users. What will happen is there will be one big one, and they most likely be all on the big instance, and federation becomes just a weird thing that does nothing because functionally that will be just like Reddit. Centralized servers, centralized servers under the control of a tiny priesthood.
Not at all. Reddit has communities that are similar but with different names, rules, and culture and different people use them because they want different experiences. The same is true here.
The crucial difference is that those are differentiated by having a unique name, note a unique hostname. Which hard drive a community is stored should not be considered an important aspect of that community. It only specifies who is allowed to delete and edit content posted to that harddrive
That's like saying everyone that lives on 123 Main St is the same regardless of the city or everyone with the email "Bob" is the same regardless of what their email provider is.
See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033 It's won'tfix/notabug
Pretty sure it's going to just be like 12 of us. If the third party app thing on reddit didn't drive users here, unfortunately I don't think anything else will. At this point if you are already content with the reddit app it's going to be a hard sell to say, yeah come check out Lemmy, it's like reddit but if you have a question about your sick betta fish instead of getting a helpful answer in a few minutes, you need to first create a betta fish community, then go back on reddit and recruit users to your Lemmy community. Post content on it daily to maintain interest, and then, if you are really lucky, ask your question and wait a few months and maybe if your fish is still alive (doubtful), you might get a response, but it will probably be just be an anticapitalist shit-post. I'm sorry to say it is this way, but this be the way that it is.
Pretty sure it's going to just be like 12 of us
Hexbear has been very active for 3 years before we even federated. There's plenty of room for growth. We're not going to become reddit (and that's a good thing) but acting like it's just going to die (or is already dead) is just ridiculous
Hexbear has become a cesspool. Not exactly a great example to aspire to. I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day. I very much enjoyed that experience and want it back. I'm sure plenty of others do to. Im just disappointed that it seems much more likely that Lemmy fizzles than soars. I can't emphasize enough how big and bad a deal the stripping of third party API access to reddit data is. I wish more people felt more strongly about this beyond posting pictures of John Oliver. Not sure if you are old enough to remember when high quality RSS feeds were a thing, but this direct access to data that users could custom curate was amazing. When you take control of how users consent data, you start to take control of the users. Lemmy has immense potential and at face value people are largely fed up with being manipulated and taken advantage of by internet giants, but most are clearly not fed up enough to leave their comfort zone. Spez and the others are well aware of this and happy to take advantage. It takes a ton of effort to keep something like Lemmy afloat. Just like a new restaurant, if after a few months it's not taking off, it's pretty unlikely to do so with more time. I hope I'm wrong, but the Spez nonsense was a huge gift to growing Lemmy, and in the grand scheme of things the effect was quite small.
Hexbear has become a cesspool
Hexbear is an aggressively inclusive space full of thoughtful people who are passionate about making the world a better place and educating their fellow man. If every online space were more like hexbear we'd all be much better off
I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day. I very much enjoyed that experience and want it back. I'm sure plenty of others do to
Oh yeah back in the good old days of /r/jailbait and /r/creepshots and /r/sexwithdogs
Lol.. so inclusive wanting to bring down America, listing out a bunch of people you’d love to get rid of (anyone you consider bourgeoise), unyielding fanboying of China…
I think the overall Lemmy experience has gone downhill since hexbear federated. I also think seeing the propaganda posts constantly hitting the All feed will drive people away. Are there even any non-political hexbear communities? All I ever see are anti-is and pro-China posts.
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China. Not the most stellar LGBTQIA+ record there.
Everything is political. We have comms that we don't consider political, but you would still consider them political because you would rather they cater to your politics rather than ours. We have !games@hexbear.net for example, but because it's not a liberal comm you would consider it political.
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China
You're literally professing your support for trans rights and simping for the US in one comment so you must be mega confused
so inclusive wanting to bring down America
Yes. America is the pre-eminent fascist violence force on Earth and must be brought down for the good of humanity
Not having America around to keep Russia and China in check sounds great for humanity 👍
Damn you really kept them in check when you bombed Iraq back to the stone age
You also really kept China in check when you moved your entire industrial capacity there
"What if they invaded, pillaged, and coup'd the countries WE were going to invade, pillage, and coup! Can you imagine the tragedy?! Better that us, The Good Guys, exploit these countries than The Bad Guys!"
If you can't wrap your head around being trans and supporting China you need to stop consuming MSM and examine your assumptions.
I live in the US and it's pretty bad for LGBT people here. I don't feel the need to cheerlead US interventions because they have a coat of rainbow paint.
think the overall Lemmy experience has gone downhill since hexbear federated.
so inclusive wanting to bring down America
Paradox of tolerance, babyyy
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China.
Cuba supports both
It's less of a cesspool than every other lemmy instance I've visited which is filled with Reddit-tier libs
I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day
reddit back in the day had a huge jailbait sub
Hexbear has become a cesspool
lol
i mean, yeah. if you insult someone, they’ll typically defend themselves
You think collectively antagonizing, using "libs" in a derogatory form and calling others "imperialist running dogs" constitutes as defense and not toxic behavior?
So as long as they don't ideologically agree with you it's acceptable to be toxic towards them, because their "wrong ideology" makes them toxic?
Are you also aware that most of the proletariats unknowingly uphold capitalism? Considering you say they're toxic are you against the proletariat or are you a fake socialist trying to create a class divide, the ones who agree with you and the ones who don't, within the proletariat?
"insult" sure.
He effectively called a porcupine spikey.
What's funny about hexbear is the users reflexively rise to the fight every single time, they can't just scroll past.
Taiwan #1
yes, it's on purpose - we actively discourage lurking and encourage engaging with bad takes. the more you complain about it, the harder we go at it.
"bad take" really depends what side of the echo chamber you are on.
Y'all respond to criticism like kim jong un is standing right behind you lol
Also we aren't in hexbear right now
"insult" sure.
He effectively called a porcupine spikey.
Wonder how the porcupine got its spikes . . . Must be its authoritarian personality!
Nah more like accidentally stepping in shit in the street, but you do you.
Taiwan #1
We are active!! This post is about lemmy activity and you'd rather not see activity here?
I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day.
A libertarian infested hell site that was most well known for just being 4chan lite and actively harbouring pedo communities?
12 of us
I'm fine with 12 of us if everyone is active.
Hopefully by then we'll have a few active communities and not hundreds of ghost towns like now
Long time hexbear user, I've actually had pretty good luck getting input on non-political questions. No sick fish, but I've asked quite a variety of questions and gotten help. Maybe I would have gotten a higher quality answer on Reddit, but my experience with modern reddit (last 6ish years) has been hit or miss. Reminds me in a way of the forums I used back in the really 2000s. Even though the forums I was on were primarily oriented around tabletop gaming, the "general/off-topic" sections would have quite a variety of people and interests. And those people, since they all had a common interest, were far more talkative and generous with their time than what I've experienced in Reddit. IMO this makes up for the smaller population. Hexbear has that vibe for me, just with a non-sectarian socialist shitposting focus. Which works for me.
Key difference is that Bitcoin people want/need their numbers to go up,up,up as a measure of success.
Here, we are hoping to cultivate a healthy community (at either/both the instance and fediverse level). From my experience on various subreddits, focusing on growth is not a good way to do this.
Communities are defined more by who is not allowed in than by who is in the community. Lemmy phase 2 kicked off back in June, and it still needs some time to find its footing at a sustainable rate of growth.
If I'm making a mistake, I don't think that would be it. I've been observing Bitcoin and its community since 2011.
That's a personal opinion, but I would also be happy to see some groups spread on different communities to decide together on one community and make it grow together.
Browsing /all and seeing still another book or gaming community first post always makes me question if that post would not be better used in an established community.
And I know this will happen naturally overtime, I guess sometimes I would just like things to happen a bit faster and on a organized way.
I personally don't mind having multiple communities on different servers because some of these servers go down... a lot.
Makes sense to have "backups" sort of littered throughout the Fediverse, imho. I like seeing what different groups have to say about the subjects, too. Like, a thread will be wildly different on lemmy.world and beehaw.org, because I'm fairly sure beehaw is still defederated with lemmy.world, meaning I'll see very different groups of people on each instance's community.
Nothing is sure, but they were also not supposed to put the API to crazy prices
Even if they do remove it, I'm sure a browser extension will just step in to mimic it as best as possible.
When they remove old.reddit it's over for me - there is no browser I've tried that new.reddit hasn't managed to crash within a few minutes of using it.
But I'll stay on old.reddit for as long as possible... there are just too many nazis and fascists waiting in the wings to hijack the communities I've put a lot effort into. It's better to just milk them for as long as possible.
Giant Hexbear Emoji.
Keep fighting the good fight, comrade.
A fascist posted today—did YOU?
Yeah. Since Reddit is back to normal, the majority of people who left it due to protest now returns.
By normal do you mean the protests have ended, or they undid some of the unpopular changes?
Why would they undo those changes. They did r/place, that should be enough. And yes, the protests have ended.
Are they getting rid of old.reddit???
That's the only thing that makes the site readable. Damn.
Numbers will go up again once the reddit infinity client stops working.
Rumour has it that Reddit has been banning accounts for misuse of API keys used to patch 3rd party Reddit apps.
I had a look, they are banning accounts with apps using other apps' keys.
As long as someone uses their own key, they're fine
I'll be more interested in the user numbers when it's been a year.
