seeing many people online "revoking his folk hero status" because he tweeted weird shit and had wacky opinions. idc. he did what none of us have and likely will never do.
When you use the wrong formula but still end up calculating the right answer
good enough for me, i didn't even really see him post that much egregious shit. just weird stuff about how the answer to infertility isn't immigration (which isn't even wrong, the answer is to have a society conducive to raising a family, ie, higher paying jobs, making it possible to purchase a home with just a regular ass job working regular hours, etc) but granted i didn't see much from him so he coulda posted tons of bad shit i haven't seen
also unpopular opinion but as far as the maid cafe thing goes, i can see where he's coming from in a sense, but i wouldn't lean on shame. i do think a society where men go oggle at women and pay for it is flawed. i have no problem with sex work at all, but it would ideally happen in a post-scarcity society where it's not done via coercion of poverty and need to survive.
i feel like if this dude had been introduced to left wing theory he could have been a great asset.
he hates maid cafes because he thinks they are woke not because he understands misogyny in any way. be real
I see that most on this site have never had the displeasure of meeting a stem lord in the flesh and that is certainly for the best. Often times, they’re very ideologically confused and reactionary.
But think about the age in which we are living- information is coming at you in all different directions as at different speeds, so how are we expecting everyone to have the right take on everything 100% of the time? Idk something I think about often
This is just most Americans. At least 70% of them are politically incoherent. I feel like many people here don’t talk to others in real life about politics at all.
I am a foreigner who no longer lives in America and even I have somehow racked up more political conversations with your average Americans and understand them better than many from the terminally online left.
That’s by design. Politics are automatically considered “off limits” at work or in most social settings
America really sucks
I work for an FFRDC (think los alamos). When we talk about science and engineering it is great. When it's other topics. Oof.
I was in a room full of them and they didn't know the author of the communist manifesto. They went from early gen X to gen Z.
Yo, same, federal research lab, full of idiots who can't read but somehow also got their masters or phd.
His old shit can probably be ignored.
His weird shit stopped in 2022. Which is probably when he lost his family to healthcare issues and embarked on a radicalisation.
I buy the idea that in 1-2 years he completely radicalised.
His pinned tweet is from 2022, but he was retweeting weird shit as of a few months ago iirc
Maybe I misread the page then. I still reserve judgement. I also don't actually think it matters compared to the fact that the entire working class still agrees with the killing of a CEO. "He's bazinga brained" isn't going to make people say the CEO dying is a bad thing.
seeing the vast, vast majority of regular ass people agreeing with what he did was his biggest accomplishment. i find it funny that someone below claims he didn't accomplish anything. nevermind the reversal of the decision not to cover anesthesia anymore. it completely exposed the media for what it is to a lot of people who hadn't come to terms with that yet as well
Another one of the books on his reading list was the lorax.
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot nothings going to get better, its not."
so cool to describe anti-wokeness (i.e. virulent queerphobia, racism and misogyny) as "wacky opinions" because you personally want to be allowed to valorize this white dude. great post.
I'm getting the feeling that this guy was on the Melon train back when he was lionized by the media as a champion of positive, progressive initiatives/industries and now that Melon has been exposed as a fascist fraud it led Luigi down a dark path of disillusionment. I'm not going to check the retweet timestamps to corroborate any, though. I'm sure this guy has a ton of bad blood with healthcare insurance but part of me has always thought Melon would be a great Marie Antoinette figure for the American socialist revolution.
Can't really think of a more fitting end for Captain Bazinga than being ripped apart by a mob in the streets.
he did what none of us have and likely will never do.
this is vulgar baby leftist shit. communism isn't a fucking competition to be the most epically violence brained and bloodthirsty. let's be real, he achieved nothing. we know adventurism is useless. if you just wanna blow off steam this way write this shit in a journal or something not on here as if anyone needs to see it.
It's also a basic failure of risk tolerance/assessment. The people who say that kind of shit should be the first ones getting ready to do it then. Shaming others for it is just something else.
such a predictable response to this criticism lol. bet any amount of money you're an amerikkkan
Permission to swag out about men? Keeping it to myself is a type of liberalism, right?
Permission granted, comrade
There's no organized left prominent in America. The establishment dropped bombs on the coal miners. The Marvel slop gets audited by the DoJ. And, frankly, Bell Hooks informed me that there was a prominent wave of anti-men feminism. Where the fuck is the fresh grad from an Ivy League going to come in contact with leftist thought? And even if he did, what are the odds of it resonating with him? What does leftism have to offer young men? An opportunity to help foster feminist thought, a philosophy that he probably heard hates him through the grapevine? He probably got comradery and support from the people he exercised with; he and they probably get a lot more touches from people spreading rugged individualism than he did touches from Stavvy's tiktok.
My point being that my first instinct when I see his garden variety philosophy is why would he be a Chapo-listening leftist? It's rare for him to interact with theory and it's even rarer for him to give a shit. Why wouldn't he have a bunch of cringe takes? The people purported to give a shit about him tell him "fuck it, try something." So he tried, and did things, that ended up being cringe (and, allegedly, 1 that wasn't).
I agree with everything here. Also want to add a more innocent explanation though
Considering how many ppl were arguing adventurism is cool actually in the thread earlier this week, I think comrades are starved for action and change and don't want to admit that maybe Lenin was right about it and we shouldn't have been trying to hold this guy up.
Indeed no leftist wants to murder a CEO. We want to destroy the system that allows for them and their predations.
If he was only based...
For real, having good opinions and organizing does wonders in generating sympathy for you and your cause.
What is this post, an endorsement of Ted Kacsynski?
because he tweeted weird shit and had wacky opinions. idc. he did what none of us have and likely will never do.
He did, what, exactly? Kill 1 ceo?
All that mattered was literally his ideology, and it’s not great by any means. This could mean literally less than nothing if the message the average American learns is the wrong one
He did, what, exactly? Kill 1 ceo?
Have you not seen any of the discourse about how the Democrat/Republican conflict just serves to divide the working class and distract them from their real enemy, the bourgeoisie?
Ben Shapiro's followers turning on him, regular rank and file Democrats gleefully supporting the killing of an evil CEO in spite of their thought leaders tut tutting at them?
This guy is dying in custody or if he's lucky getting life in prison. He sacrificed his life and it's created a flashpoint that could help to radicalize a lot of people.
This is a comment I would have written 5 years ago so instead of my jaded ass shitting on it, I’ll spare you my cynicism my starry eyed king.
And 13 years ago the closest thing to a "radical left" was the Occupy Wall Street crowd. Which were barely even left at all.
Zoom out and look at how things have changed, bit by bit, event by event.
20 years ago over 60% of the country was marching in protest of the Iraq war. Occupy Wall Street was a reaction to one of the biggest economic collapses the country has seen in the past 70 years and came of it? More reaction
= And a budding left that did not exist before, at all =
There is no magic button. This is a process.
Have you not seen any of the discourse about how the Democrat/Republican conflict just serves to divide the working class and distract them from their real enemy, the bourgeoisie?
"The bourgeoisie," or "the elites"? How is "CEO" being generalized to more potential targets and is it happening in a good or useful way?
His ideology is actually irrelevant. You've got it wrong.
What matters is changing the discussion from the working class division over cultural left vs cultural right into working class vs ruling class.
That's what this event did, because ALL of the working class united behind "killing CEOs is good actually" for this moment. The working class turned on both sides of the electoral spectrum and agreed in us vs them.
The working class vs the CEOs is the starting point for getting a lot of the working class who are stuck in the cultural-right to say "actually all this other crap doesn't affect me unlike these scumbags exploiting us".
Best take I read before
got caught was the best thing for the left is that the bigger story ended up being everyone — everyone — celebrating the CEO getting capped.
The average American is so devoid of any kind of deep political thought/knowledge (see right wingers on twitter distancing themselves from this “loony leftist”) and so purely ideological that this will not teach anyone a lesson outside of those of us who are already too politically online and have our minds made up already
Its 1924 and an Italian shot a Capitalist in New York
Its 2024 and an Italian shot a Capitalist in New York
Its just a joke because there was alot of panic about particularly Italian Anarchists Stabbing and blowing up people in that era
