Disclaimer: I am not pro-Russia just because I am not pro-Ukraine. To me this is a war between NATO imperialists/Ukrainian Nazis and a modern Capitalist Russian oligarchy. There is no good side in this war.
That being said, seeing support for Ukraine from people who didn't even know the country existed a couple of years ago always makes me roll my eyes. It comes across as shallow virtue signalling (even though I hate that term).
Compare it to people who support Palestine. People who support Palestine understand the history of that conflict and that it goes back to many many years of genocide on Israel's part.
People who support Ukraine typically know nothing of the history of the region, it's support for Nazis, it's pogroms, etc.
Even worse, sometimes they do know, they just don't care. 
The best part of when these people still think Russia communist. So crazy how many people have reverted to the same 50s' red scare hysteria that people used to make fun of.
I'm no longer sure that libs truly believe in anything. They may think they do, but it's all vibes and whatever their favorite MSM personalities say. Scratch a lib etc etc.
It is pretty clear that international liberalism as a project, despite appearing to be ascendent and dominant, is a completely dead ideology at this point for the ruling class, not much more than a thin veneer for imperialist, chauvinist, capitalism. To be fair, it is unclear if it ever was anything but that outside of maybe the Nixon administration.
As such, those who vocally support it look increasingly foolish and out of touch with reality, not even being rewarded by the ruling class.
Yes, absolutely. If anyone knows how to stay sane surrounded by libs, please tell me. Seriously, I'm very attuned to liberal bullshit around me and the dissonance and alienation is often just too much for me.
Also, of course these sides aren't equal, since one is the global hegemon. And even if they were equal, our foremost duty is to fight the imperialists at home, because those are the ones we even can fight. For Europe and US that means our primary enemy is NATO.
"The main enemy is at home!" - Karl Liebknecht
"During a reactionary war a revolutionary class cannot but desire the defeat of its government." - Lenin
This is also known as revolutionary defeatism. It's not just libs, even many leftists struggle with this. It's so easy and convenient to fall into the error of social chauvinism. And much better for your career and social standing. And if you're in an org you have much less repression to fear, if you betray our international comrades to national/imperialist interests.
Liberal support for Ukraine is so fucking cringe. The ILLEGAL invasion of Ukraine by NEO FASCIST OLIGARCH Putin is the worst thing since the Holocaust, but they don’t give a single fuck about Gaza, or the disgusting war on reproductive rights being waged at home.
They also don't care about capitalist restoration in Ukraine leading to an increasingly violent ethnic cleansing, which was what finally led to the Russian intervention in Ukraine.
Or the american-backed Neo-Nazi maidan coup taking power after burning trade unionists alive in 2014, backed by Biden, Obama and Nuland.
PUTLER'S FULL SCALE INVASION vs. our democratic revolution
Maybe stop throwing coups? Never can get a Liberal to admit that the US still throws coups all the time and that's a bad thing.
They don't even care about the Holocaust. If they did, they'd know Ukrainian minorities (Jews and Roma specifically) were wiped out hundreds at a time by the thousands. It was only the combined effort of the entire USSR that put a stop to it, which includes Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Georgia, and so on.
If the Soviet Union hadn't collapsed, shock therapy hadn't been inflicted, or capitalists taking control of either country, this war wouldn't be happening.
Even if the people with Palestinian flags in their bios and handles aren’t well educated on the history of the conflict, what separates them from the Azov libs is that they’re able to look past the official state sponsored narrative of the US. They have the morals and conviction to know where to stand on the IOF genocide despite our media doing everything it can to prop up the American-controlled puppet state in the Levant.
Ukraine is much easier for libs to support because they have massive Western backing and thus get all the positive propaganda they could ever need in the States. It’s hard to take Ukraine flag people as seriously as Palestine supporters because the former have made an identity out of pretending to be transgressive, independent thinkers by supporting exactly what the capitalist establishment has told them to, it’s just so fucking grating
notice the same people are noticeably NOT pearl-clutching about Syria's sovereignty
And not to mention how the war is framed. Libs treat Ukraine as if it's like this perfect heaven baby democracy free from any kind of rampant corruption not to mention neo-nazis filling high ranks that exist peacefully in the forest with woodland creatures like Snow White. Meanwhile Russia is the big bad communist Orc who invaded the pure land of
AryansDEMOCRACY just because Putin was bored and likes killing people.It's honestly maddening but then again we're dealing with anglos who have a very basic grasp on geopolitics and who's memory of history only goes back about 10 or so years.
The conflation of current Russia with communism from the USSR (it's been more than 30 years) is a masterstroke of American imperialism propaganda that allowed the prior 70 years of anti-communist cold war rhetoric flow seamlessly into russophobic hate.
Everybody starts out inundated with liberal propaganda and concept framing. You read the articles about these scary armed separatists and the people they've killed, and why they're so unreasonable to not be accepting the Legally and Internationally Recognized State And Borders™.
For anyone who digs a bit deeper, and has a tightly-held value of self-determination, they notice that the separatist areas are overwhelmingly Russian-speaking, had very distinct and persistent voting patterns compared to the northwest of the country, and didn't have the same historical connections or associations with the rest of Ukraine. That's when the narrative starts to peel apart, and there's room to wonder "what if they're not aggressors, what if they had legitimate concerns all along". Add in a bit of great power conflict analysis and it clicks.
i have plenty of reasons to support ukraine. once my tv tells me what they are i'll come back and let you know what they are.
