i don't really know much about this kinda thing ya know?

    • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
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      4 years ago

      places like reddit who have a big male audience tend to have a lot of those transition into MtF people, if you browsed tumblr you'd notice the opposite.

    • benny [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      i guess. but like, how do you settle on a specific spelling or word?

  • mall_goth420 [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Like neo-pronouns? They're created from the use of non-gender specific letters and syntax. Most people I know just choose they/them because it's already in a lot of people's vocabulary. Xe/Xim and Vim/Ver are two that I've heard often enough, but I'm not sure where they come from exactly

    • benny [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      i understand that. but another user's pronouns in this thread are e/em/eir. and to be honest i have never seen those used anywhere before right now. i'm trying to understand where pronouns like those come from.

      • Reversi [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        S-h/e

        Th/em

        Th/eir

        Or do you mean the reasoning behind their usage to begin with?

        • benny [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          oh wow. i'm obtuse aren't i. i guess i would also be interested in why they/them/their aren't okay.

            • benny [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              you know i think you've just changed my view. i guess it doesn't really matter WHY someone labels themselves something. alright, i'll use any preferred pronouns even if it makes me feel a little goofy because it's for their sake, not mine. thanks for the video link.

          • Reversi [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Case by case basis. But someone mentioned to me that they/them/their exists as both a plural and a singular, which is less precise. Also that they/them/their has its traditions in being neutral toward the existing gender binary, and as such is 'loaded,' so to speak.

            It's not so much that certain pronouns aren't okay, but rather insufficient. New pronouns are experimental and exploratory and a way of interfacing with the abstraction that is human identity, much like names. There's a tendency to look at linguistic processes as static and technical, but it's a fluid thing.

            • benny [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              thinking about it akin to names is interesting. i haven't considered that. one more question though, i looked at the list of pronouns in the settings and one option is "doe/deer". i don't mean to be insensitive but that seems silly to me. is there a line that can be crossed where pronouns go from a form of gender expression to what seems to me to just be a nickname of sorts? or does anything go? again i'm sorry if this is insensitive. i just don't have a lot of experience with this topic.

              • Reversi [none/use name]
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                Assuming it's in good faith, there isn't really a "line."

                Now you could say that if every single person had their own unique pronouns that, essentially, instead of there being pronouns, every individual would then possess four names. This is neither good nor bad; such conventions of language do not possess moral value, and 'efficiency' or information density is not inherently valued in language as any linguist can tell you. Again: this is exploratory, speculative, and meditative.

                • benny [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  how would this translate to here and now though? i can't see the majority populace agreeing to refer to someone using those pronouns.

                  and to add, do you know if there's been any research into the neopronouns (which i just looked up the name of) we're discussing? i know that transgender and nonbinary identities are supported by science but to me that seems a far cry to referring to yourself as doe. i guess i could google this myself but i'm a lazy fuck

      • lvysaur [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        e/em/eir

        that's actually ridiculously managable and pretty much everyone unwittingly follows that pronoun system already for the words "he" and "them" (sock it to 'em, etc)

  • dolphinhuffer [comrade/them]
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    Nonbinary pronouns are like vegan sausages, it is better not to see them being made.