Edit: Damn, did not expect this to turn into today’s struggle sesh.
Here’s my both sides/both sides take. Should people be executed for drawing, publishing or showing hateful cartoons? Probably not.
What grosses me out is how Enlightened Secular France has spent centuries colonizing and brutalizing muslims and continues to oppress them with discriminatory laws while acting like the entire point of Free Speech TM is the right to degrade a profoundly marginalized minority.
As someone brought up in this thread, the whole Mohammad cartoon controversy reminds me of the perennial debate “why would a black person get violent if you call them the n-word, it’s just a word.” Context matters, when you purposely provoke an oppressed minority by shoving the thing they find most offensive in their face, you may get a violent reaction.
I don’t think this guy deserves to die at all, but Charlie Hebdo is very racist and it’s gross how people rally around it like it’s this bastion of free speech.
That said, death to A Wyatt Mann. Inshallah.
I'm not going to defend a dude beheading a teacher. Fuck any religious extremism.
It's possible to consider two things to be bad at the same time
It's also possible not to lib things up to the point where you are equating terrorist attacks and murders with cartoons.
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That's like say it's acceptable for chuds to headshot someone who burns the flag.
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Then that's like saying the scantily dressed woman walking on a dark street in the bad part of the city shouldn't complain about getting raped because it was predictable.
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Like, I’m not saying that the dude was justified but the whole thing was fucking predictable just look at what she was wearing.
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I don't think you're a rape apologist, I think your statements sound like a rape apologist.
A teacher taught about these cartoons, in response terrorists went this home and beheaded him.
Your comment
You deserved the comparison.
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There was a way for the woman to walk down the street clad in armour from head to toe.
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Well I explained why I find your statement gross and you doubled down in response.
Yup he deserved it. Thanks.
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Oh are you done with telling teachers what subjects will get them murdered?
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Is Racist Cartoons a school subject where you're from?
The man was beheaded you absolute piece of fucking trash.
Bad take. They went from prosecuting the guy who did the crime to attempting to piss off literally every other muslim as well
Which has little to do with irony poisoned overly online leftists not being able to realize that a teacher shouldn't be beheaded for teaching.
if muslim parents want to complain, want to do some action to get him fired because they think he went too far then I'm 100% for hearing their arguments and making a reasonable choice.
Instead some assholes beheaded the guy. He didn't deserve that, stop implying that he did.
If your take is "beheading is bad" then what the fuck are you arguing on the internet. Nobody disagrees with you.
I'm criticizing the action in the post-- the projecting of dumb cartoons in a bizzare, antagonistic stance towards other muslims.
https://hexbear.net/post/42015/comment/364841
Beheading is bad, but those racist cartoons though.
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Yes.
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All mass media satire is done from a position of power.
Take notice that people's issue isn't work the cartoon, it's with the government response and rhetoric.
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I don't know anything about France and I haven't seen anything approaching a leftist analysis of the situation either here or on reddit. When the news of beheading were discussed on news subs the only leftist voices among the right-wing bullshit were going "well, that's what France gets for centuries of colonialism and imperialism" which doesn't seem like a useful take.
The correct leftist take is:
The murder was wrong. Respect religious minorities and their beliefs. These cartoons are an outgrowth of French Islamaphobia, rooted in centuries of racism and imperialism. The murderer got what he deserved. The government should not be promoting propaganda against minority religions, especially if it has a long history of oppressing them.
I could agree with "Respect religious minorities and their rights to have different beliefs."
But I cannot respect the contents of those beliefs.
And it is absurd to ask that of anyone.
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To an Islamist, an attack on Algeria is an attack on all Muslims.
"Akshully, France intervened in the Russian Civil War. Also Napoleon."
I mean, even he was Arab it wouldn't be a good take.
Great way to deal with that legacy is killing history teachers.
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Yes, that is what's going on here. Lots of takes in the vein of "he was asking to be beheaded"
People pretty much go there when pushed.
Case in point: https://hexbear.net/post/42015/comment/364373
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