I have not cheered for anything. I regret this situation as much as anyone. I simply think that it's plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and "re-educates" your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for a Ukranian identity. I also think it's quite telling that these "peace appeals" are only made to Ukraine, even though it takes two to tango and Ukraine isn't the one trespassing.
I think the war should continue for as long as Ukrainians are willing to fight. And not because I'm a cartoon villain that wants them all to die; I think any deal with Russia's mafia leadership isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The Russians have already stomped all over the Budapest memorandum that guaranteed Ukraine's territorial sovereignty, why would they honor any other deal? At best the Russians would use the peacetime to resupply and rearm and try again later.
I don't like being painted as someone who is told what to think. I do not think the Ukraine war is a "good one", there are no "good" wars. I simply empathize more with the victims of imperialism and not the perpetrators of imperialism.
That's a challenge rating impossible. I see libs do this constantly. Invasion=imperialism for them, i think mostly because like you said, they want to use our words to sound more left wing even though they don't know what they're saying
I wasn't saying they weren't, improve your reading comprehension. I was saying they weren't doing these things on purpose.
Wait a sec, Egon. How would you know that? If you don't, why claim it? There have been a lot of attacks on civilian infrastructure and reckless attacks in civilian areas. I'm not quite convinced that russia is as innocent as you seem to believe.
Why would you think the best of russia to begin with? They send conscripts & mobilized citizens off to a war that didn't need to happen. They prevent many of their own from leaving the country... it's the poor who will suffer the most.
Why now and not in the beginning? I don't know for sure, but wars often end when one side loses the will to fight ... maybe they are trying to wear
down the will of the Ukrainians and allies? If the Ukrainian media is to believed, it doesn't seem to be working. It sounds like it will be a long one.
Edit: Your last link didn't link to the original OHCHR report, and presents a one-sided view. You can find the proper report linked to from here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/07/high-commissioner-human-rights-high-numbers-civilian-casualties-ukraine
The press release contains a clear and obvious link to the report itself. I didn't claim otherwise.
You provided a link to some pro-russian propaganda that selectively quoted from what seems to be a fair and balanced report. I provided a link to the press release for the original report, and point out that it has more to it than the selective quotes.
You then claim bad faith. Given the ease with which you claim bad faith whenever anyone argues with you, I think that you should define what you mean by good and bad faith.
And now you promote bullying/violence with the reference to school lockers? Grow up.
Most of the time I am on my phone which isn't the best for essay style responses. If I notice a particular point that is worth commenting on, then I focus on that point. Sometimes I forget to quote just that point which may be confusing, and I apologise for that.
You tend to write a lot and jump all over the place trying to answer everything at once and introduce new points, preempting questions, and throwing in personal criticisms and judgements, which is quite exhausting. I suspect that you also jump to the conclusion that because I am criticising one point, that I am criticising everything.
I used to write work emails a bit like that, until I got similar feedback a few years back. The threaded approach is also common in business messaging apps, shared editing of documents, etc.
I do appreciate your good English. It's far too rare these days.
I wonder whether it would be worth it for hexbear to maintain an FAQ or wiki, as I think you and others spend a lot of time repeating the same things to many people. Sometimes a link is worth a thousand words.
maybe they are trying to wear down the will of the Ukrainians and allies? If the Ukrainian media is to believed, it doesn't seem to be working.
the favorite thing that pro-Ukraine libs love to do is make up a goal for Russia out of thin air and then boast that they haven't achieved it. as if they uniquely understand and can remotely probe the Slavic brain with their superior Western minds. If Ukraine puts combatants inside hospitals or schools, which they have done, then Russia is under no obligation to not hit them. clearly, Russia's track record of not bombing hospitals or schools with civilians inside isn't 100%, because that's almost impossible to do in a war this size without clairvoyant abilities - there is always uncertainty. we don't excuse those hits when they happen, but let's also not pretend that Ukraine hasn't been hitting Russian civilian buildings too.
I simply think that it's plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and "re-educates" your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for [your] identity
so you support the struggle of the DPR and LPR against Ukraine?
I simply think that it's plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and "re-educates" your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for an...identity.
Its a cheeky joke that is wondering why the United States has the moral authority to hypocritically police another state for actions that the USA engages in regularly and yet does not receive a fraction of the pushback.
It's also worth pointing out, however, that the USA has been stoking the flames of Russian-Ukraine conflict for decades beginning with Operation Aerodynamics.
Yeah that's fair, these threads aren't great for getting a sense of what people's ideas are here. Especially since folks end up fairly antagonistic and the comments pile up. If you are curious, Here is a pretty good comment on the war, and I do recommend using the search function and just perusing the longer (especially sourced, read the sources!) and more effortful comments.
This is in no way equivalent hahaha. What kinda swill do they hand out in the IRA breakrooms these days?
Russia is invading the heartland of another distinct ethnicity and purging it. Ukraine is not doing that. It is simply clamping down on political liberties to ensure a stable war economy and political situation. This happens in every country that is forced to fight for it's own existence.
Rescuing children from a warzone is genocide? Are you serious, you do realize the majority of those children are native Russian speakers and are reunited with their families when they're located, like you do know those basic facts right, and aren't just talking out your ass?
Those children should have been led to Ukraine to reunite with their Ukranian relatives since they are citizens of Ukraine. And if you are not talking out of your ass, would you kindly provide proof that they're "reunited with their families when they're located" and not just assigned to whichever family is keen to get govt money for raising kids?
MF the Ukrainian state doesn't give a shit about Russian-speaking children or their relatives, hence the fact millions of Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens fled to Russia, their relatives are in Russia and if they're not then it's the responsibility of the Kiev regime to negotiate in good faith with the Russian authorities to reunite the families, but again the nazis in Kiev don't give a fuck about the children beyond their use as propaganda tools
You literally don't know basic facts about Ukraine or the conflict, instead of basing your takes on your bullshit intuition maybe go do some basic research
Why do you assume children from ethnically russian regions, who statistially are more likely to speak russian would be better off being sent to Ukraine than Russia?
I'm sorry, what does that have to do with "purging" as it relates to genocide? Surely you understand that relocating orphans - not "purging" them - and then repatriating them when their Ukrainian family can be found does not constitute genocide, right? This is basic, "what do words mean" level shit, so if you're having trouble here then you might need to take a few steps back on making declarative statements about geopolitics.
lmao the Ukrainian state was committing those actions before the invasion you dumb fuck, hence the civil war between the years 2014 and 2022, also trying to erase the identity of half your population is not an example of a wartime measure, it's ethnic cleansing and the Ukrainians are pretty open about it
Hence why the separatist Russian-speaking regions (especially Crimea) should win the war and prevent the expansion of state backed neo-nazism
Russian and Ukranian are almost the same language, as different as modern English is from Shakespearian English
Why do white people try to create ethnic differences where none exist? Russians and Ukranians are visually / genetically / culturally pretty much identical. It's like saying North Korea invaded South Korea to purge it of Koreans!
God no. I think there's some misinterpretation here. I was saying that blocking the media of an invading country does not equate to genocide. That's it.
That's interesting that you think one of us did the misinterpretation, because that's not what happened - they did not block the import of media produced in Russia. They blocked all Russian language media. There's an important distinction there that I'm certain you will pretend to not understand.
I'm fine admitting the misinterpretation was mine. In that case I think it's a bit too far, also considering the large number of Russian speakers within Ukraine
It's not just a bit too far - it fits most definitions for cultural genocide, particularly when you include that Ukraine banned teaching in Russian, all Russian books in schools, etc. Imagine being a Russian speaking Ukrainian child: all of a sudden all of the books you can read are gone, your teachers must speak Ukrainian.
So we have Ukraine committing cultural genocide, and still zero evidence that Russia is committing any kind of genocide.
Apologies, I’m not great at linking stuff and I’m better at scrolling than posting on mobile.
I’d recommend reading section 3, starting on page ten. I also want to say that this doesn’t to me justify the invasion, but that I can see why Russian speakers/people in both Ukraine and Russia felt threatened
Do you think that it's "too far" or aimed at doing something you are not inclined to admit? It's not like Russia doesn't have people who know Ukrainian and English to publish things in those languages to reach Ukraine for propaganda purposes, but totally unrelated media that just happens to be in Russian (and thereby part of the survival of Russophone culture) is being banned. The goal is not simply fighting Russia, but genuine ethnonationalism.
You know the Russians are contacting family members and reuniting children with families, right? https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-children-returned-illegal-deportations-russia/32355290.html They try to frame it in a vicious manner because the liberal brain is soft and easy to manipulate, but the facts are those children were in Russia and given back to their families.
Here, you attempt to flame Ukraine for shutting down humanitarian corridors because Russians attack them, and your source also states that Russians attack them? Do you even read your sources?
For apparently being a genocide, this war has had less civilian casualties in the nearly year and a half it's been on than there were in the first week of the US invading Iraq.
Different people have different perspectives about the conflict? Different discussions have different topics and histories to bring up depending on the context?
Genocide obviously does matter (I'm not sure who you are insinuating says otherwise), the commenter was discussing how the concept of genocide has been watered down largely as a means to manufacture consent for western military operations. Some people claim that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against the russian minority esp. through violence (by far right military orgs) in the east of Ukraine and legislation that suppresses russian minorities.
If you are confused you should ask some actual questions (or use the search function, find some of the effort posts). You will get genuine answers if you ask in good faith.
But as far as I can tell, you made up the false flag thing entirely because of an image that disappeared. At least that's what I can only assume based on your other comments. No one made that claim (as far as I can see). Please link the comment of someone saying the war in Ukraine is a false flag.
Yeah, I'm not sure what that is on about. If it was actually someone commenting that the war was a false flag they'd probably end up getting roasted because I don't really know what the mechanisms for that would be. It's possible they were talking about the pipeline attack, which depending on how they define a false flag operation could make sense (I have not spent a lot of time looking into the pipeline stuff tbf).
Yeah you’re clearly a bit confused, probably because you’re mixing things people here might say with ridiculous strawmen that you dreamed up and pulled out of your ass.
Interesting. So The Azov brigade invaded their own home country from across the border? Or are you insinuating that they were Russians all along? I'm confused.
You are very clearly playing stupid to try and get out of having to defend eight years of ethnic cleansing by Ukranian nazis, and I want you to know that nobody is buying it.
Yeah they should just submit to a genocidal invader! That's WAY better than dying!
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I have not cheered for anything. I regret this situation as much as anyone. I simply think that it's plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and "re-educates" your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for a Ukranian identity. I also think it's quite telling that these "peace appeals" are only made to Ukraine, even though it takes two to tango and Ukraine isn't the one trespassing.
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Wow dude, this little number you've written here has so many logical fallacies and projections.
First of all, in no way am I defending the US invasions of the Middle East. Shit was bad and unnecessary.
Second of all, Russians are absolutely bombing hospitals and buildings full of children. They bombed a building in Mariupol that was used to house children and had that written on the roof. I'm also worried that they're kidnapping children and robbing them of their Ukranian identity.
I think the war should continue for as long as Ukrainians are willing to fight. And not because I'm a cartoon villain that wants them all to die; I think any deal with Russia's mafia leadership isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The Russians have already stomped all over the Budapest memorandum that guaranteed Ukraine's territorial sovereignty, why would they honor any other deal? At best the Russians would use the peacetime to resupply and rearm and try again later.
The people who lied to you about those wars are telling you today's war is totally a good one. Why would you believe them?
because russia is bad country
I don't like being painted as someone who is told what to think. I do not think the Ukraine war is a "good one", there are no "good" wars. I simply empathize more with the victims of imperialism and not the perpetrators of imperialism.
imperialism isn't "when a country invades another country" for fuck's sake, stop dressing your libshit in the facade of left-wing rhetoric.
That's a challenge rating impossible. I see libs do this constantly. Invasion=imperialism for them, i think mostly because like you said, they want to use our words to sound more left wing even though they don't know what they're saying
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Wait a sec, Egon. How would you know that? If you don't, why claim it? There have been a lot of attacks on civilian infrastructure and reckless attacks in civilian areas. I'm not quite convinced that russia is as innocent as you seem to believe.
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Why would you think the best of russia to begin with? They send conscripts & mobilized citizens off to a war that didn't need to happen. They prevent many of their own from leaving the country... it's the poor who will suffer the most.
Why now and not in the beginning? I don't know for sure, but wars often end when one side loses the will to fight ... maybe they are trying to wear down the will of the Ukrainians and allies? If the Ukrainian media is to believed, it doesn't seem to be working. It sounds like it will be a long one.
Edit: Your last link didn't link to the original OHCHR report, and presents a one-sided view. You can find the proper report linked to from here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/07/high-commissioner-human-rights-high-numbers-civilian-casualties-ukraine
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The press release contains a clear and obvious link to the report itself. I didn't claim otherwise.
You provided a link to some pro-russian propaganda that selectively quoted from what seems to be a fair and balanced report. I provided a link to the press release for the original report, and point out that it has more to it than the selective quotes.
You then claim bad faith. Given the ease with which you claim bad faith whenever anyone argues with you, I think that you should define what you mean by good and bad faith.
And now you promote bullying/violence with the reference to school lockers? Grow up.
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Nitpicking says the guy who whined about a clearly marked edit on a comment. Whatever man.
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Most of the time I am on my phone which isn't the best for essay style responses. If I notice a particular point that is worth commenting on, then I focus on that point. Sometimes I forget to quote just that point which may be confusing, and I apologise for that.
You tend to write a lot and jump all over the place trying to answer everything at once and introduce new points, preempting questions, and throwing in personal criticisms and judgements, which is quite exhausting. I suspect that you also jump to the conclusion that because I am criticising one point, that I am criticising everything.
I used to write work emails a bit like that, until I got similar feedback a few years back. The threaded approach is also common in business messaging apps, shared editing of documents, etc.
I do appreciate your good English. It's far too rare these days.
I wonder whether it would be worth it for hexbear to maintain an FAQ or wiki, as I think you and others spend a lot of time repeating the same things to many people. Sometimes a link is worth a thousand words.
the favorite thing that pro-Ukraine libs love to do is make up a goal for Russia out of thin air and then boast that they haven't achieved it. as if they uniquely understand and can remotely probe the Slavic brain with their superior Western minds. If Ukraine puts combatants inside hospitals or schools, which they have done, then Russia is under no obligation to not hit them. clearly, Russia's track record of not bombing hospitals or schools with civilians inside isn't 100%, because that's almost impossible to do in a war this size without clairvoyant abilities - there is always uncertainty. we don't excuse those hits when they happen, but let's also not pretend that Ukraine hasn't been hitting Russian civilian buildings too.
so you support the struggle of the DPR and LPR against Ukraine?
sorry not totally clear, you talking about USA?
How did the US. get Putin to invade Ukraine? I'm trying to follow the logic but I keep getting stuck on that one.
Weird, I got this as a reply but then it was just gone:
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So the implication is that the Russian invasion was (and continues to be?) a false flag?
Yeah, I'm still not seeing how the US got Putin to go along with this false flag, any more details?
They were engaging in a dang whataboutism
Its a cheeky joke that is wondering why the United States has the moral authority to hypocritically police another state for actions that the USA engages in regularly and yet does not receive a fraction of the pushback.
It's also worth pointing out, however, that the USA has been stoking the flames of Russian-Ukraine conflict for decades beginning with Operation Aerodynamics.
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Yeah that's fair, these threads aren't great for getting a sense of what people's ideas are here. Especially since folks end up fairly antagonistic and the comments pile up. If you are curious, Here is a pretty good comment on the war, and I do recommend using the search function and just perusing the longer (especially sourced, read the sources!) and more effortful comments.
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Don't worry, the people of the Donbass and Crimea will never surrender to a bunch of western armed Ukrainian Nazis
define genocide
The intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Russia is doing that to Ukraine.
We have evidence of Ukraine banning the use of the Russian language, import of Russian books, Russian music, the banning of "pro-Russian" political parties. So we know Ukraine is engaging in what could be called cultural genocide. I'd love to see your evidence of actual genocide happening, though. I'm sure it's real!
This is in no way equivalent hahaha. What kinda swill do they hand out in the IRA breakrooms these days?
Russia is invading the heartland of another distinct ethnicity and purging it. Ukraine is not doing that. It is simply clamping down on political liberties to ensure a stable war economy and political situation. This happens in every country that is forced to fight for it's own existence.
Please show evidence of this.
Kidnapping Ukranian children and forcibly adopting them into Russian families is genocide. It is an explicit attempt to erase Ukranian culture.
Rescuing children from a warzone is genocide? Are you serious, you do realize the majority of those children are native Russian speakers and are reunited with their families when they're located, like you do know those basic facts right, and aren't just talking out your ass?
Those children should have been led to Ukraine to reunite with their Ukranian relatives since they are citizens of Ukraine. And if you are not talking out of your ass, would you kindly provide proof that they're "reunited with their families when they're located" and not just assigned to whichever family is keen to get govt money for raising kids?
MF the Ukrainian state doesn't give a shit about Russian-speaking children or their relatives, hence the fact millions of Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens fled to Russia, their relatives are in Russia and if they're not then it's the responsibility of the Kiev regime to negotiate in good faith with the Russian authorities to reunite the families, but again the nazis in Kiev don't give a fuck about the children beyond their use as propaganda tools
You literally don't know basic facts about Ukraine or the conflict, instead of basing your takes on your bullshit intuition maybe go do some basic research
those kids were returned when Ukraine asked for them back
Why do you assume children from ethnically russian regions, who statistially are more likely to speak russian would be better off being sent to Ukraine than Russia?
I'm sorry, what does that have to do with "purging" as it relates to genocide? Surely you understand that relocating orphans - not "purging" them - and then repatriating them when their Ukrainian family can be found does not constitute genocide, right? This is basic, "what do words mean" level shit, so if you're having trouble here then you might need to take a few steps back on making declarative statements about geopolitics.
lmao the Ukrainian state was committing those actions before the invasion you dumb fuck, hence the civil war between the years 2014 and 2022, also trying to erase the identity of half your population is not an example of a wartime measure, it's ethnic cleansing and the Ukrainians are pretty open about it
Hence why the separatist Russian-speaking regions (especially Crimea) should win the war and prevent the expansion of state backed neo-nazism
Perhaps the Ukrainians should concentrate the population that shows Russian sympathy into small campsYou know, to keep a better eye on them and to ensure the security of the Ukrainian identity against the perfidy of the Russian abhumansFunny that one of the Baltic states proposed exactly this.
lemme guess
SStonia?
Do you think Russia is running death camps? Where are these purges supposedly taking place?
Why do white people try to create ethnic differences where none exist? Russians and Ukranians are visually / genetically / culturally pretty much identical. It's like saying North Korea invaded South Korea to purge it of Koreans!
"not submitting to the ideological propaganda pushed by your oppressor is literally genocide"
So if chinese language is taught in your country and chinese publications are sold, this means your nation and culture has submitted to China?
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Well that depends, is China invading my country?
okay so genocide is a maybe for you
why is it that every time a .dev shows up they immediately start going full nazi
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God no. I think there's some misinterpretation here. I was saying that blocking the media of an invading country does not equate to genocide. That's it.
That's interesting that you think one of us did the misinterpretation, because that's not what happened - they did not block the import of media produced in Russia. They blocked all Russian language media. There's an important distinction there that I'm certain you will pretend to not understand.
I'm fine admitting the misinterpretation was mine. In that case I think it's a bit too far, also considering the large number of Russian speakers within Ukraine
It's not just a bit too far - it fits most definitions for cultural genocide, particularly when you include that Ukraine banned teaching in Russian, all Russian books in schools, etc. Imagine being a Russian speaking Ukrainian child: all of a sudden all of the books you can read are gone, your teachers must speak Ukrainian.
So we have Ukraine committing cultural genocide, and still zero evidence that Russia is committing any kind of genocide.
They also tried to ban Yiddish and Belarusian along with Russian in 2019: https://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-AD(2019)032-e
Thanks for the document. I'm a bit confused because I can't find where the Commission's opinion agrees with your statement. Can you help me find it?
Apologies, I’m not great at linking stuff and I’m better at scrolling than posting on mobile.
I’d recommend reading section 3, starting on page ten. I also want to say that this doesn’t to me justify the invasion, but that I can see why Russian speakers/people in both Ukraine and Russia felt threatened
Do you think that it's "too far" or aimed at doing something you are not inclined to admit? It's not like Russia doesn't have people who know Ukrainian and English to publish things in those languages to reach Ukraine for propaganda purposes, but totally unrelated media that just happens to be in Russian (and thereby part of the survival of Russophone culture) is being banned. The goal is not simply fighting Russia, but genuine ethnonationalism.
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It doesn't depend, and I hope you know that.
proof?
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By this metric all war is genocide
So the western liberal believes that orphans should be left in a war zone?
Ukraine uses child soldiers and brag about it so it's a wholesome thing now I guess.
Are you saying that there are only two options? You either leave them to die or indoctrinate them into Russian families? No in-between?
You know the Russians are contacting family members and reuniting children with families, right? https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-children-returned-illegal-deportations-russia/32355290.html They try to frame it in a vicious manner because the liberal brain is soft and easy to manipulate, but the facts are those children were in Russia and given back to their families.
You're just making up unhinged fantasies.
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you havent sourced all ur claims, you hide unsourced claims in between claims backed with the flimsiest sources. wikipedia warrior, go back to
Are the russians in the room with you right now?
Russiagate absolutely flattened the liberal brain. Truly as smooth as glass.
source?
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Well that was a horrifying read.
Here, you attempt to flame Ukraine for shutting down humanitarian corridors because Russians attack them, and your source also states that Russians attack them? Do you even read your sources?
And this doesn't even mention that, when Russia opened their own humanitarian corridors, they conveniently only led to Russian or allied Belarusian territory (instead of back to Ukraine, where a lot of these fleeing Ukranians wanted to go).
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So they set up in this "strategic" care home and refused to assist an evacuation? That's a nightmare
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I don't like the russians all that much, but ukraine is literally just throwing people away to regain territory trying to free itself from them
fucking nazis
what would you do, oh paragon of morality? give them to ur heroic western human traffickers?
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no. im claiming that opportunistic westerners are coming into Ukraine to kidnap women and children. here’s a UN report. an article and one woman’s story
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this is the only part of ur comment that could feasibly be considered genocide and you didnt provide a source. and wikipedia isnt a reliable source
and Ukraine has been bombing civilian centers for the past decade. and that is well documented. maybe Ukraine is the real genocidal power
No just no. I lot of Ukrainians live in Russia or fled to russia. Russia would've started with them first if they wanted to do something that.
It's a imperialist war at best started to secure a very strategically important location.
Im sorry but the Donbass and crimeans are winning, so they are safe from the genociders. You don't have to worry anymore.
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I don't think the people getting genocided care about dictionaries or philosophy.
For apparently being a genocide, this war has had less civilian casualties in the nearly year and a half it's been on than there were in the first week of the US invading Iraq.
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Different people have different perspectives about the conflict? Different discussions have different topics and histories to bring up depending on the context?
Genocide obviously does matter (I'm not sure who you are insinuating says otherwise), the commenter was discussing how the concept of genocide has been watered down largely as a means to manufacture consent for western military operations. Some people claim that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against the russian minority esp. through violence (by far right military orgs) in the east of Ukraine and legislation that suppresses russian minorities.
If you are confused you should ask some actual questions (or use the search function, find some of the effort posts). You will get genuine answers if you ask in good faith.
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But as far as I can tell, you made up the false flag thing entirely because of an image that disappeared. At least that's what I can only assume based on your other comments. No one made that claim (as far as I can see). Please link the comment of someone saying the war in Ukraine is a false flag.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what that is on about. If it was actually someone commenting that the war was a false flag they'd probably end up getting roasted because I don't really know what the mechanisms for that would be. It's possible they were talking about the pipeline attack, which depending on how they define a false flag operation could make sense (I have not spent a lot of time looking into the pipeline stuff tbf).
Yeah you’re clearly a bit confused, probably because you’re mixing things people here might say with ridiculous strawmen that you dreamed up and pulled out of your ass.
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True, they probably care more that the Azov goons that were doing it to them are hamburger now.
Interesting. So The Azov brigade invaded their own home country from across the border? Or are you insinuating that they were Russians all along? I'm confused.
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You are very clearly playing stupid to try and get out of having to defend eight years of ethnic cleansing by Ukranian nazis, and I want you to know that nobody is buying it.
No, you’ve just admitted to not recognizing obvious sarcasm
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