"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."
"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."
"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."
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"A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.
So, you think voting for a Republican or not voting is going to get the job done?
oh my god THE WORLD ISN'T REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT
THEY'RE BOTH STUPID FUCKS THAT ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME FASCIST COIN
no, democrats have demonstrated repeatedly that they are unwilling to do anything. you would be a fool to vote for them over and over again after seeing their incompetence and unwillingness to even slightly push back against the reactionary policies being enacted under biden
The Democratic Party has room for improvement, sure, but it's also the only party with room for improvement. On this issue, not voting is the same as voting for a Republican. That surely won't get you any improvement.
Yes and this it the room
no, not voting is just not voting. voting for the republican party is voting for the republican party. and from where im standing, the difference between dems and republicans is negligible. the dems arent offering any “improvement”
The Republicans are salivating over the prospect of you not voting. Exactly what they want.
further exploiting and oppressing the working class is exactly what the republicans want. and the dems are united w them in that
Thise two parties are nothing alike.
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You're right
Conservatives stab you in the face
Liberals slip it into your spine
Hey now, they screw the young too
how are they different when theyre both capitalist neoliberal warmongers
Who broke the rail strike? Who bombed the Balkans?
Except for the acknowledged bipartisan policy consensus
there's a famous line that the US is a one party state but in typical American extravagance, we have two of them. both parties serve capital. you are not the core demographic of either party. they can and will fuck you over if it makes their benefactors a quick buck. the Republicans move the political needle rightwards and the Democrats act as a ratchet to prevent any kind of real left politics in this country. both parties must be destroyed.
the dems are salivating over the prospect of useful idiots like you voting for them election after election after decades of failing to deliver on any of their promises because "it's complicated." Exactly what they want.
The dems also. The less voters they less they have to spend on marketing. Imagine if they proposed one popular thing. They would have the election in the bag. That is all it would take, one broadly popular position. They are so opposed to democracy that people generally being in favor of a thing is not reason enough for them to enact a policy. They would rather spend donation money proping up GOP candidates than legalizing weed nationally or whatever.
The Democratic party doubled Trump's deportation numbers, gave the police record funding and has now ceded trans rights to the right
There is no room for improvement and no point in voting in national elections, we warned you motherfuckers but you didn't listen, now eat shit dem
Ah yes, not voting for fascist Zionists is the same as voting for fascist Zionists. There is no real difference between the two parties
Actually since the democrats are republicans, by not voting for democrats I'm voting for democrats
I hear the same thing from both parties, therefore not-voting must be the same as voting for both parties, which counts as voter fraud.
So you think that rewarding the Democrats for having the only standard be "Our senile, racist, rapist, corrupt, reactionary war criminal doesn't have an orange spray tan" is going to "get the job done"? Or just the entire party being the polite, norms-respecting Republicans.
I think it's the only party that does not vilify LGBTQ people, so I'll keep voting for them for that reason and many others.
You're right. They are more of the Uvalde Cops to the Republicans school shooter. Even when they nominally have power they wont even rhetorically fight back, let alone use that power, to defend LGBTQ people in any way.
I understand your frustration, but not voting or voting for a Republican will just make matter worse. There's surely room for improvement among Democrats, but it's also the only party with room for improvement.
Because the democrats have done so fucking much to stop the republicans. Hell, if they get any worse, they could send them a mean letter!
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There's room for improvement? Are you sure? What are you basing that on? It must be vibes cause it sure as fuck doesn't follow with the transphobic statements of
brandon's handlers.
No, ignoring the extremely limited efficacy and right-wing bias of electoralism, their entire point is just being the "Not Republican Party". As long as they can only offer that and nothing else, and still be electorally competitive, they never have to improve and will actively fight against improvement. Additionally, they actually do more to aid the Republicans and right-wing agenda as long as they are really ineffective and out-of-touch and in people's minds voting for them is the only real opposition the Republicans, while constantly capitulating to Republicans on issues like trans rights. But ultimately, this is why the Republicans are much more responsive to what their base wants, since even if they are reactionary, and can somewhat generate the culture war issues, they are the only party offering a positive agenda. (Positive in the sense of a politics of making changes and advancing agendas rather than just saying that the other party is worse. Not saying their agenda is good, obviously)
So, yes, there is some times, particularly on close elections or local elections where you can get improvement by voting Democrat over some Q-anon or MAGA psycho. But you also have to admit, especially with Federal elections, not voting for Democrats is not really making things worse or doing less "harm mitigation" than voting for a Biden, or whatever right-wing bigot the Democrats throw up next. Especially if, even on things like LGBTQ rights, they immediately capitulate and take the Republican position, just with more polite rhetoric.
There's plenty of room for improvement to be very diplomatic about it. But you seem to mistake room for improvement with actual improvement. Who cares if the democrats could theoretically do better when they patiently and consistently don't? What good is this void of unrealised improvement doing anybody?
Either you believe that the mere existence of room for improvement is a material gold, which makes no sense. Or you believe that there exists a mechanism for getting the democrats to realise that improvement, a way of pursuing then left. How this is going to work remains a mystery and believing that the democrats will improve tomorrow seems more like a coping mechanism than anything that is likely to actually happen.
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Sure. Some might think that. But there is still lightyears between those two parties when it comes to LGBTQ priorities. Republicans are just hoping your frustration will cause you to stay home on election day.
If you are the most pro-lgbt person, but don't do anything that defends them, you're not an ally, you're a fucking patsy
Ok. You stay home on election day or vote for a Republican. See where that gets you.
It would be the same place as if I had voted democrat
And you seem to think us party cadres believe in electoralism
you are mistaken
They are not the same and you know it.
The differences are so negligible. Democrats will continue the ukraine war, republicans will start shit with mexico and china. that is the only real material difference. I don't care about promises or lip service, I care about reality, which neither party tries to improve. They're basically the same party. Always have been. We in hawaii will still be subjected to the exploitation of the monopolies, landlords, and tourist industry while the natives are continually ethnically cleansed. They will plunder us regardless. This is from a democrat stronghold.
I'm from a different democrat stronghold and the view is the same. Half of the democrats are just the people who would otherwise be republicans, but are savvy to put "fiscally conservative" next to their bio about how intersectional they are.
They're so terrified of looking "soft on crime" that they go along with whatever cops want when it comes to policing homeless people. Rather than just saying that they have no intention of making housing for everyone they insist on doing a whole song and dance about how giving the right handouts to developers will totally fix the problem this time.
When it comes to war they're the same party, the baseline jingoism surrounding foreign policy allows the mask to slip.
Two months into the pandemic democrats were doing covid denial when it came to poll workers just to keep anyone to the left of Reagan out of power within the party. They deliberately killed people to keep power.
there's a democrat in the white house right now. this is what voting dem got us.
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You do know what Congress does, right? The WH is not almighty. Most new laws require congressional approval with 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House. Republicans are blocking both.
Wild how only the Republican Party gets executive orders
Executive orders are futile. Rarely last.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
IF EXECUTIVE ORDERS DON'T MATTER WHY DOES IT MATTER IF YOUR GUY IS IN OFFICE??
It matters because they can sign bills into law or veto bills. Executive orders rarely last.
repeating your useless nonsense does not make your false reality any more true, redditor. You're not my ally, fuck off.
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Ill be okay, not voting, and continue to work in my party cadre to make real change
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Strange how all that voting in 2020 did nothing but give Dems a majority that they pissed away. They had opportunity after opportunity to push shit through but somehow got thwarted at every turn. Oh no it's the Parliamentarian coming in with a steel chair! Oh dear God it's Sinema and Manchin coming from behind! They could've ended the filibuster but never did. Biden could've packed the courts but never did. Like at this point what can they do? They're hobbled by their own masturbatory fantasies of West Wing politicking. In reality it's a sham. The US was not built to be a democracy, the "Founding Fathers" intentionally tried to obfuscate the voting process to keep it away from the masses. This nation was built on enslavement and genocide and under no circumstances did voting ameliorate their plight. How many wars were waged by indigenous people fighting for their survival as the US continued to break treaties and encroach on their homelands? For some reason the name is not coming to me right now but there was this large civil war fought in the US over slavery that a lot of people like to insist were over states rights. For workers rights the working class paid for it dearly in unmarked graves and terrified screams as workers were locked inside of a burning building. Voting didn't change any of this, we had to fight for every inch we've ever gotten.
Interesting how, according to you and nearly every other lib I've talked to, the Democrats are simultaneously the only hope against Republican rule but also powerless to stop Republicans whenever they're in power. Meanwhile Republicans advance their genocidal policies regardless of which party is in charge, but they're also so weak that the only thing necessary to stop them in their tracks forever is to vote in a Democrat at the next election.
The observant among us would see that these are contradictory statements. By analyzing those contradictions and finding which one aligns with reality, you could come to a more coherent viewpoint.
There have been multiple instances of Dems controlling both congress and the WH over the last 50 years. Where are our abortion rights? Livable wages? Universal healthcare? Why don't the Dems actually do shit when they have the opportunity to?
Democrats have not had a 60-vote supermajority in the Senate to write those things into law. Abortion rights were stable until Trump appointed three justices. Not the Dems fault.
Abortion rights only existed because of a Supreme Court ruling in 1973, which could have been (and was) overturned by another Supreme Court in the future. Rights decided by SC rulings and not codified into law are not, in fact, stable. The Dems have had multiple opportunities since 1973 to codify abortion rights into law and have failed to do so. Yes, the Dem's fault.
And let's not pretend like the Dems would do anything if they actually had a 60-vote supermajority. They'd find some Manchin or Sinema scapegoat to shoot it down and pin all the blame on.
Let's be real here. It's the Republicans' fault if anything.
Also, it was different times when Dems had opportunities decades ago. Many Dems were not pro-choice and there has never been a majority within the Democratic Party to pass legislation until recently. It certainly wasn't a priority since Roe was in place. Now they face a Senate filibuster without 60 votes.
Right, just ignore every argument presented to you, cover your ears, and pretend as though no one disagrees with you.
The Carter administration is recent?
Dems had the opportunity to get rid of the filibuster, but they didn't do that, either. How convenient.
The Dems would've definitely passed abortion protections into law, but you see the parliamanterian gave them 3 Pinocchio's so that's a bust
the filibuster is a fake obstacle. dems can get rid of the filibuster at any time. remember the whole “parliamentarian” debacle? yeah that was manufactured too. they could just fire the parliamentarian and find a new one
This is literally about the Democrats being worthless craven shitheads as usual. I'm writing in Hillary again in 2024, fuck you.
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No they're not. You have conservative think tanks with a detailed plan about how they're going to make being trans illegal in the US and you have literally nothing from the leader of the Democrats who is supposedly different in their priorities with queer folk. There hasn't been any serious attempt at pushback against states criminalizing and going after trans youth. And in the context of years and years of conservative laws across the country eroding our right to exist, they release a statement like this. There is no difference between these people. They just want to be able to call themselves allies because they think it builds character for themselves. Allies cannot dictate our liberation and allies will just as quickly silence their support of us when it becomes a little uncomfortable while we are still here and we still have to live in this shitty country.
But tell me how it's all according to keikaku and that the Dems are actually totally on our side guys, just ignore the last 70 years of history.
Which LGBTQ priorities? When Biden talks about the rights of queer people, the only thing he brings up is gay marriage when the GOP openly talks about ending the right of trans people to exist as ourselves in public, whi9ch if you knew anything about our lifes and how we need to lead them you'd recognize as openly genocidal. Biden is a coward who doesn't even dare to say the word trans in public while DeSantis and Abbot are already making lists of trans people. What he has done instead is this shit we're discussing here, when he could've opened up planned parenthood clinics on federal land to guarantee access to free abortion and gender affirming care in red states, could've stepped in when Florida "legalized abducting trans kids out of state for forced conversion therapy*, could've coordinated the isolated efforts of some democrats on the state level to create asylum states for trans people etc. etc.
Instead, he is tiptoeing around the "complicated issue" if people like me should have basic human rights.
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You guys are unironically basically just as bad as the republicans
as a trans woman, your concern is worthless to me.
but no its the queer people who are wrong on this issue, not you
What thread do you think you're posting on you dumb fuck?
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Voting for Democrats means you are actually voting for Republicans because Democrats do whatever Republicans want, serve the same class, and are themselves Republicans. So not voting is actually harm reduction. Voting just helps Republicans.
yep, straight facts
What is the job that needs to get done?
yes, if the democrats won't earn our votes, we'll withhold them. it's not like a democrat in office meaningfully slows down the pace of fascism.
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Withhold and help the Republicans.
the democrats are helping the republicans far better than I ever could.
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